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Message Subject Poll for Libertarians
Poster Handle Manu-Koelbren
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So to answer your question in a long-winded and rambling sort of way, yes everyone should have the right to marriage in this country, because it is a religious institution, not a governmental one. If marriage has been relegated to a state-issue, then let the States vote and decide for themselves, that way if you disagree with the majority of people in your State, you have the ability to move to where your views are the majority.

I agree with this, just leave your god out of the equation, you may believe in it but for some people it's as real as Santa. God only has a place in a theocracy, and that has nothing to do with liberty.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


According to the founders, the only reason you have rights is because God granted them to you and they cannot be taken away by a man-made institution, such as government. The Constitution intrinsically requires a belief in God. God gives us rights, governments try to take them away. The Constitution was instilled to protect the rights that God gave us from the genocidal maniacs at the top of the food chain. You have a right not to believe in God, I will give you that, but then where do your rights originate? From government? Society? You don't have to like it, but it is fact; All men are CREATED equal and endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable rights...
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


"Creator" CAN imply "god" (of your choice) but does not necessarily imply it. "Creator" can be any number of things from a "mechanism" to a "deity" to one's self at the moment of self-awareness.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final

How can a mechanism endow men with rights? It just doesn't make any sense. Like I said, you don't have to like it, but the Constitution was CLEARLY written by men who believed God gave us rights that government is not legally able to take away.
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


It doesn't matter if the men "believed" in god or not, they created the constitution themselves regardless of god, it was a human creation. If god endowed men with rights then everyone would enjoy those rights the same because they would come from an all powerful god, yet we know for a fact that rights as such only exist in societies where PEOPLE agree to upholding such concept, and we know such concept comes from men as we have no evidence god has ever written any book. And by evidence I mean just that,evidence, faith doesn't apply in that regard.,
 
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