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North Korea Declares MARTIAL LAW

 
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[link to english.donga.com]

"In South Korea, the presidential office predicted that the broadcast suggested an imminent nuclear test by North Korea and declared an emergency readiness posture. President Lee Myung-bak visited a war room in an underground bunker of his office, ordering his administration to “check the situation (on the nuclear test) and well maintain a readiness posture,” according to his spokesman Park Jeong-ha.

The chief executive was briefed by Chun Young-woo, presidential secretary for foreign affairs and national security, and Ahn Kwang-chan, head of the Office of National Crisis Management, on signs of the North’s test and potential provocations. A presidential office source said, “The North has completed technical preparations for a nuclear test and is waiting for Kim Jong Un to make a political decision,” adding, “This week will likely be a watershed.”
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[link to www.cnn.com]
"U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and his South Korean and Japanese counterparts warned North Korea against any "provocative" moves Sunday ahead of a possible new nuclear bomb test by Pyongyang."
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[link to english.chosun.com]

""After the North expressed the intention to conduct a fresh nuclear test, the Chinese Foreign Ministry called in Ambassador Ji Jae-ryong several times to deliver a warning message," the diplomat said."

[link to english.chosun.com]

"The government here is now watching for the possibility of two separate nuclear tests either simultaneously or in quick succession.

"There is a chance that the southern tunnel is a decoy, but we aren't ruling out that the regime will conduct nuclear tests simultaneously at both tunnels," a military source said.
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[link to news.asiaone.com]

"Over the past week Pyongyang has issued a series of daily warnings threatening action over the sanctions, including a promise Saturday of the "toughest retaliation".

Several observers in South Korea believe the nuclear test will come before Lunar New Year starts on February 10."
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Here's some information on the South Korea compliment to the US forces in the joint naval "drill" being conducted at present.
[link to www.china.org.cn]

"The joint maneuver by the allies, taking place in waters off the East Coast of the Korean peninsula, involves the USS San Francisco, a nuclear submarine, and the Aegis guided-missile cruiser Shiloh.

Ten South Korean warships are also mobilized, including the 7600-ton Aegis destroyer King Sejong the Great, a corvette and anti-submarine and maritime surveillance aircrafts and maritime helicopters, according to Yonhap News Agency.

[link to www.arirang.co.kr]
"The threat follows a security ministers' meeting in South Korea last Thursday which warned that it would slap tough sanctions on the North if it moves forward with another nuclear test."

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[link to english.yonhapnews.co.kr]
"SEOUL, Feb. 4 (Yonhap) -- North Korea exhibited the fuselage of what is presumed to be the long-range rocket it launched in December, and explicitly called it a ballistic missile, despite its claims to the outside world that the Unha-3 was part of its peaceful space development program, a report said Monday.

The report by Japanese newspaper Asahi Shimbun quoted North Korean sources as saying that the fuselage was displayed under the name "Hwasong-13" among the exhibitions of the country's missile lineup in an exhibition hall in Pyongyang. The Hwasong line also includes shorter-range scud missiles, which the country has produced since the 1980's."
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Here's an explantion of the 3 day joint maneuver's activity goals:
[link to www.scmp.com]
“The exercise includes at-sea operating training, detecting and tracking a submarine, anti-air and anti-ship live fire training and anti-missile training,” the Yonhap news agency quoted one military official as saying."
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i always assumed they were under a constant state of martial law
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@Dontbeafraid thanks for the info:)
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@Dontbeafraid thanks for the info:)
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You're welcome. People don't understand how unstable North Korea is. A lot are focused on the Middle East. North Korea is far far more dangerous and starving. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain. At some point nuclear weapons are not a deterrent. Based upon the obvious proximity of North Korea to South Korea, and nuclear weapons, even tactical battlefield ones (which were actually considered during the Korean War mind you), they would drift radioactivity into friendly territory.

China and Russia knows we cannot use them there. It would set off Armageddon. That means if the North Koreans came across the border quickly, especially with the current administration, that they could seize the opposite side of the DMZ. They could do it in a hour, just steamroll across.

There is an extremely high chance that North Korea has many infiltrators already placed in South Korea. The question is how loyal are they? Having been in relative comfort for many years, will they actually perform acts of sabotage or rise up to assist an invasion? Because of the tunnel networks, I'd be very surprised if there weren't thousand of infiltrators if not more.

South Korea, as I have already shown with statistics of their military force, do not have anything close to an ability to resist. Only the threat of American retaliation is maintaining the balance of power.

Obama desperately needs a war. It's the only way to get America out of this Second Great Depression. It wouldn't take much for an accident to happen during this 3 day exercise and instigate one.

The USA is spread thin. Our economy is dangerously weak. We cannot afford to saber-rattle because we can't back it up. Harsh language is not a deterrant. Swift decisive action is one.

The only helpful aspect is the economic losses incurred by China backing up North Korea and losing trade status with the USA. In fact, this is actually another good reason for war. If China was backed into a corner and decided to support North Korea, then suddenly who would purchase Chinese goods? They can't risk it. Their economy is fragile but strong for the moment based upon future sales. Right now they've been publically saying that they DO NOT want a Korean War and will cut off aid, and that's probably the only reason NK has not invaded.

But if NK decided to invade, what will China do in reality? To me, that's the most important question, not NK's response. The North Koreans could start it, but would China end up finishing it. It was the Chinese who began assisting the North Koreans that made the USA leave the war the first time.

Nuclear weapons are a deterrant only with major powers. When it comes to smaller conflict then each country who has them has to decide, "Do I really want the wanton destruction of my own nation? What will that gain me?" as a result I think 90% of the time, if an invasion ocuurs, they can't risk using them. They're not meant to be used that way.

With Muslim extremists, it's another thing entirely. They might think under such distress that it would usher in the age of the Mahdi and so they might risk it. In their minds, such actions would guarantee a place in a Muslim heaven with 70 virgins. As such, Iran might do very unpredictable things if NK decided to invade. Again, they have nothing to lose, for they're focused on the afterlife.

Think of it this way, for many fundamentalist Christians, if you trust in Jesus, and feel assured of Heaven, are you afraid of martyrdom? NOPE. Iran feels identically the same.

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@Dontbeafraid thanks for the info:)
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You're welcome. People don't understand how unstable North Korea is. A lot are focused on the Middle East. North Korea is far far more dangerous and starving. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain. At some point nuclear weapons are not a deterrent. Based upon the obvious proximity of North Korea to South Korea, and nuclear weapons, even tactical battlefield ones (which were actually considered during the Korean War mind you), they would drift radioactivity into friendly territory.

China and Russia knows we cannot use them there. It would set off Armageddon. That means if the North Koreans came across the border quickly, especially with the current administration, that they could seize the opposite side of the DMZ. They could do it in a hour, just steamroll across.

There is an extremely high chance that North Korea has many infiltrators already placed in South Korea. The question is how loyal are they? Having been in relative comfort for many years, will they actually perform acts of sabotage or rise up to assist an invasion? Because of the tunnel networks, I'd be very surprised if there weren't thousand of infiltrators if not more.

South Korea, as I have already shown with statistics of their military force, do not have anything close to an ability to resist. Only the threat of American retaliation is maintaining the balance of power.

Obama desperately needs a war. It's the only way to get America out of this Second Great Depression. It wouldn't take much for an accident to happen during this 3 day exercise and instigate one.

The USA is spread thin. Our economy is dangerously weak. We cannot afford to saber-rattle because we can't back it up. Harsh language is not a deterrant. Swift decisive action is one.

The only helpful aspect is the economic losses incurred by China backing up North Korea and losing trade status with the USA. In fact, this is actually another good reason for war. If China was backed into a corner and decided to support North Korea, then suddenly who would purchase Chinese goods? They can't risk it. Their economy is fragile but strong for the moment based upon future sales. Right now they've been publically saying that they DO NOT want a Korean War and will cut off aid, and that's probably the only reason NK has not invaded.

But if NK decided to invade, what will China do in reality? To me, that's the most important question, not NK's response. The North Koreans could start it, but would China end up finishing it. It was the Chinese who began assisting the North Koreans that made the USA leave the war the first time.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid


Thoughtful insight and input :)

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What if their 'malfunctioning' satellite actually was a success? A nuke disguised as a satellite could knock out the entire us with an EMP. they wouldn't have to hit our mainland to do far worse damage. It would also be a literal 'high-level' test.
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What if their 'malfunctioning' satellite actually was a success? A nuke disguised as a satellite could knock out the entire us with an EMP. they wouldn't have to hit our mainland to do far worse damage. It would also be a literal 'high-level' test.
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See, I think that exactly.

Remember the USA had a failed rocket launch from Russia a few days ago. Was it a cover story? Did we actually cause a failure and then launched a nondisclosed satelite elsewhere? Do we already have a satelite in orbit just waiting to drop a EMP weapon? Who knows?
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This link shows how the NKs might have constructed blast doors to conceal the nuclear test.

There is a high percentage chance that not one, but two nuclear tests could happen (see previous post) or that that one is a decoy to hide the other.

When a test happens, radioactive isotopes are released. Based upon the species released and the plume then nuclear physicists determine the type of weapon that was exploded.
[link to english.yonhapnews.co.kr]

"(LEAD) Video footage reveals N. Korea's nuclear site design
The four-part documentary film series aired on the North's Korean Central Television in October 2010 shows a horizontal tunnel with three "traps" between nine "doors," which are designed to block radioactivity and debris from escaping from the western tunnel. It was used for a second test in May 2009."

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Cant someone just sneak up on that little bastard and beat dogshit outta him... what an irritating, attention craving, small dick syndrome loser.
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Cant someone just sneak up on that little bastard and beat dogshit outta him... what an irritating, attention craving, small dick syndrome loser.
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I doubt it. You're not going to see a citizen uprising in North Korea. What they do is seize whole families when even one member of a family complains. Then those are horrifically tortured. We know of cases of stonings by other prison inmates, routine rapes and dismemberment by prison guards, beheadings, being gut shot or bayonetted and left to die a slow death. Starvation is a common method too.

The people are extremely downtrodden. This isn't going to be like East Germans breaking down a Berlin Wall.

The only thing that might happen is a NK military coup.

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Several days ago, Google updated their mapping software and people have been exploring the NK terrain looking for prison camp complexes. NK's population is around 24.4 million, so one in a hundred political prisoners alone are in a prison camp. You see why that's an effective means of starving people and reducing the chance of a citizen uprising?
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
"The new map images also pull back the curtain on some of North Korea's darkest secrets. Satellite imagery, coupled with detailing, offers new proof of the existence of the country's government-run prison labor camps, where as many as 250,000 political prisoners may be held.

"Satellite imagery readily available through Google Earth has certainly enabled human rights experts to decisively confirm that these facilities do exist," Greg Scarlatoiu, executive director of the Committee for Human Rights in North Korea, told Reuters earlier this month, "despite the fact that the North Korean regime denies their existence."

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An extremely serious declaration from Japan:
[link to www.voanews.com]
"Japan Preparing 'Worst Case Scenario' for North Korea Nuke Test

In a VOA interview, Japan's chief Cabinet secretary, Yoshihide Suga, was asked how Japan views the possibility of rising tensions on the Korean peninsula flaring into open conflict.

Suga said the government's job is to always protect its people's lives and assets, and Japan is doing its best in that regard. He said Tokyo “will deal with the worst case scenario the Japanese people might face.”

He did not elaborate."
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Similar rhetoric from South Korea:
[link to english.hani.co.kr]
"The strongest possible sanctions” could follow a North Korean nuclear test

During a previous South Korea visit on Feb. 1, Ed Royce, chair of the US House Committee on Foreign Affairs, mentioned the possibility of financial sanctions on North Korean bank accounts if the country carries out the test. He also voiced his opposition to military sanctions.

Speaking to Reuters while visiting South Korea with a US congressional delegation, Royce discussed writing “the strongest possible sanctions” against North Korea.

“If they do not get the hard currency from overseas into the regime because of sanctions placed on the banks and bank accounts, that will really cripple their ability to do mischief,” he continued.

Royce went on to say that Washington successfully prevented Pyongyang from getting the money it needed to continue its nuclear program when it took action against Banco Delta Asia in Macau, adding that he would propose similar sanctions to the Treasury Department and administration to prevent North Korea from taking action.

He added that he believed Washington would “move to the types of sanctions I talked about earlier, which would be absolutely non-military.”
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Basically, it's all up to China. If they condemn NK, then NK must back down, for they cannot face severe economic sanctions plus blockades of their opium sales plus a lack of Chinese help too.

If China condemns and the NK's launch anyway, then it's DOOM, for it probably means an invasion will follow, because they'll be diplomatically isolated.

If China doesn't condemn, it's very bad all around, for probably the USA cannot back it up, and NK might chose to invade soon due to being encouraged by China.

It's all about brinksmenship at this point.

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Here's an editorial from the Bejing Review in which the author argues that China doesn't have as much control over NK which is a very bad sign. That means that an expert on Chinese relations doesn't believe in the final analysis that China will stay the hand of NK from nuclear testing. It's giving tacit approval in effect since much hinges upon the Chinese making NK come to its senses.
[link to www.bjreview.com.cn]
[link to www.bjreview.com.cn]
"Balance and stability on the Korean Peninsula serve China's interests. It voted for the UN Security Council Resolution 2087 on condition that basic concerns such as avoiding excessive provocation against Pyongyang and recognizing the importance of the six-party talks were met. The talks, which involve South Korea, North Korea, China, the United States, Japan and Russia, were launched in 2003 with the purpose of resolving the Korean Peninsula nuclear issue before grinding to a halt in December 2008.

China makes every effort to safeguard peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula not because it wants to help other countries manage North Korea but out of consideration for its own interests. In the eyes of the Chinese, Washington's strategic containment of North Korea is closely linked to its efforts to hedge against China due to the intimate bonds between China and North Korea cemented by history and geopolitical interests.

Since North Korea is a country with a high nationalistic spirit, China's influence over Pyongyang is not as significant as the West has touted. China's unique role in Northeast Asia lies in the prudent and intelligent projection of its influence in light of its strategic and shared interests. The United States should not question China's forthrightness when communicating with Pyongyang, nor should it expect China to take dramatic actions against North Korea for U.S. interests and become the last straw to break its neighbor's back.

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In 2010, North Korea shelled Yeonpyeong and really the USA and SK did nothing. They only real change was SK empowered front line commanders to take aggresive action and then report up the chain of command. Given that SK has a much smaller military (see previous postings), they really can't back it up.

If NK decided to invade, then likely the commanders would immediately respond now, as they should, but it would probably escalate rapidly.

[link to english.chosun.com]
"The outgoing president said he also urged the Air Force to strike the North after the shelling of Yeonpyeong Island, but a high-ranking military officer stopped him by saying such a move must be discussed with the U.S. and that an aerial attack had to be avoided according to the rules of engagement.

"After that, I revised the rules of engagement so that frontline commanders can first take aggressive action in response and then report it up the chain of command," Lee said.

The U.S. was initially opposed to changing the rules of engagement, Lee said, but he was able to convince Washington.


He said the saddest part of his five-year term in office was the loss of 46 sailors aboard the Navy corvette Cheonan, which was sunk by a North Korean torpedo. "I was upset by the loss of young soldiers, and saddened again when people said the attack had been fabricated," Lee said. "

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Some information about China's support of NK
[link to www.albanytribune.com]
"At this point, the Obama administration needs to realize that it is holding a weak hand and fundamentally change its strategy for the Korean Peninsula.

As the supplier of roughly 90 percent of North Korea’s fuel and energy imports, China is the sole player with any leverage at all over the regime’s behavior. However, because Beijing’s biggest fear is the collapse of the Kim regime and the ensuing fallout —ranging from a massive influx of refugees to the possibility of a unified Korea with an American military presence on its northeast border—the Chinese government has been unwilling to take the kind of measures that would lead North Korea to consider altering its course of action. Despite showing support for a tougher line against the North at the UN, the situation will likely persist as long as the political calculus for Chinese leaders remains the same.

Meanwhile, the United States’ main source of leverage against the North is the military option, which both sides are fully aware is off the table except as a defense mechanism in the case of an attack on the South. Because of this, the 28,500 American troops stationed in Korea are in the unique position of causing friction by their mere presence, even as the probability of them being deployed is quite low. The U.S.-South Korea Status of Forces agreement, whereby the United States commands both the American and ROK military forces, was helpful in preserving the status quo on the Korean Peninsula in the decades following the Korean War, but more recently has become an impediment to any progress for peace. Apart from discouraging more proactive involvement on the part of the Chinese government, it also allows the North to blame the United States for all of the problems of the peninsula and absolves South Korean leaders from having to make tough choices about their security situation. This creates a kind of inertia where all sides are discouraged from taking any real action that could alter the security dynamic of the region."
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A little information about NK's drug trade through Jilin Province, their main source of income besides weapon sales.


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You see what's slowly unfolding? NK is a desperate nation that only barely manages to hang in there. If you've been reading along, the only ways that they maintain control are:
1. Economic aid from China
2. But they're in trouble with China for selling meth and opium to the Chinese
3. Kill 3 million of their people by torture, imprisonment, rape, starvation, murder, or the 24/7 threat of those things happening.

How stable do you think they are with a more powerful nuclear weapon? Is there any nation on earth more corrupt or more volatile?

What do we know?
1. NK has twice the military of SK
2. They can't afford it
3. If they lose the military, they will collapse
4. If they lose the backing of China, they will collapse
5. They are planning two underground tunnels (and they may fire two "tests")
6. They have a more advanced space program than SK and have an orbiting "satellite"
7. They have tunneled under the DMZ and are poised on it and under it
8. SK is in charge of military operations, and the commanders on the front line have the capability to attack first and ask questions later
9. SK has a newly elected president who is naturally untested and so the perception comes from weakness
10. SK and the USA have a small carrier/submarine/AEGIS destroyer joint attack force in International waters running war games.
11. Both sides have increased the rhetorics and are full alert status in the region and literally preparing for anything.
12. The UN, USA, Japan, SK have promised the harshest economic sanction for launching and have threatened worse.

What don't we know?
1. The current DEFCON status of the USA is unknown.
2. The intentions of NK are a wild card.

Now think, if your nation is so desperate that you send drugs into your only ally in order to feed the military and government, how stable is that nation? Is it sustainable? If in their shoes, what would be the choices once empowered with a better nuclear weapon?
[link to rt.com]
North Korea threatens to take 'stronger measure' than third nuclear test

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Plus of course this new youtube video showing a US cities in flames from a missle attack launched by NK
[link to www.japantimes.co.jp]
"SEOUL – North Korea, poised to conduct a nuclear test any day now, has posted a video on YouTube depicting a U.S. city resembling New York engulfed in flames after an apparent missile attack.

The footage was uploaded Saturday by the North’s official website, Uriminzokkiri, which distributes news and propaganda from the state media.

The video is shot as a dream sequence, with a young man seeing himself on board a North Korean space shuttle launched into orbit by the same type of rocket Pyongyang successfully tested in December.

As the shuttle circles the globe — to the tune of “We Are the World” — the video zooms in on countries below, including a joyfully reunified Korea."

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NK has been under martial law for decades.

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