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1. Prime Radian

 
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ascertain universal parameters.
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Newtonians, Christians and lately even writers for New Scientist(using some very convoluted logic re p/q and Heisenberg's Indeterminacy Principle) believe the universe is a machine and its actions (Pre)determined.
Might this not just be a cultural artefact?
Maaaybe micro events within the macro framework can be affected by human and other consciousness thereby rendering a given future uncertain and probabalistic only.
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My intuition is that there is only conciousness and everything an artifact thereof.

Everything resides in other, As witbout other there is no determinancy.
The distance between any two points is infinite if you are doing it right.
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Thank you, I have been seeking a definition outside my own.

The consciousness is entagled with something other than the self, but the self defines the peramiters of existence. Through experiance of linear time, courses of future intent can be seen, definitions unknown to the observer as the peramiters currently defined have no understanding of the future peramiters.

This is how I have explained it to myself.
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Thank you, I have been seeking a definition outside my own.

The consciousness is entagled with something other than the self, but the self defines the peramiters of existence. Through experiance of linear time, courses of future intent can be seen, definitions unknown to the observer as the peramiters currently defined have no understanding of the future peramiters.

This is how I have explained it to myself.
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The question therein lies with the projection of other. As until concious renders other as understood it creates other within awareness through being.
The distance between any two points is infinite if you are doing it right.
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Like multiple kleins breathing together examining inhalations and exhalations.
The distance between any two points is infinite if you are doing it right.
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Like multiple kleins breathing together examining inhalations and exhalations.
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:kleinbottle:
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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Like multiple kleins breathing together examining inhalations and exhalations.
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:kleinbottle:
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Seems to me, if you mirrored it at the intersection, it would resemble this...

infinity

lol
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Like multiple kleins breathing together examining inhalations and exhalations.
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:kleinbottle:
 Quoting: Seer777


Seems to me, if you mirrored it at the intersection, it would resemble this...

infinity

lol
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just slide your center over -)
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Like multiple kleins breathing together examining inhalations and exhalations.
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:kleinbottle:
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Yes,but nest them one within other and tell me how many breaths are needed for inhalation and or exhalation?
The distance between any two points is infinite if you are doing it right.
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Like multiple kleins breathing together examining inhalations and exhalations.
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:kleinbottle:
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Yes,but nest them one within other and tell me how many breaths are needed for inhalation and or exhalation?
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To infinity of course. ;)
The distance between any two points is infinite if you are doing it right.
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This always brings me back to the Ouroboros.
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This always brings me back to the Ouroboros.
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You are what you eat.
The distance between any two points is infinite if you are doing it right.
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This always brings me back to the Ouroboros.
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You are what you eat.
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lmao

love it
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Like multiple kleins breathing together examining inhalations and exhalations.
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:kleinbottle:
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Yes,but nest them one within other and tell me how many breaths are needed for inhalation and or exhalation?
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


To infinity of course. ;)
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I'm hoping the question wasn't too abstract.
The distance between any two points is infinite if you are doing it right.
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All that are left are modifiers, such as object families within programming structures.

You are left with the personal spin.
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i get it
same as we discovered that if we could replicate you, atom for atom, the way you are now (exactly) there would be 2 dions because what is dion is outside of dion structure

so the same pattern always does the same thing

is what you are telling

yes
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As per the video, do you now see why I gave such import to the +- charged mucousa? The diffusionary/osmotic bodies which create or bias information transference.
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The distance between any two points is infinite if you are doing it right.
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:kleinbottle:
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Yes,but nest them one within other and tell me how many breaths are needed for inhalation and or exhalation?
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


To infinity of course. ;)
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


I'm hoping the question wasn't too abstract.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus



It was poignant, as an hour or so before I was remarking to myself in meditation, that I felt no need to breathe and I was wondering if I was breathing at all.

So I took notice and found them to be extremely shallow...tiny inhale/exhale. And gentle. Then pause when there was neither.


It was beautiful...

I could live there.

tounge

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Like multiple kleins breathing together examining inhalations and exhalations.
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:kleinbottle:
 Quoting: Seer777


Seems to me, if you mirrored it at the intersection, it would resemble this...

infinity

lol
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just slide your center over -)
 Quoting: just a dude


This inspired a thought.

Is the center point fixed? Or does it wobble?

Like the infinity sign above, the center point sliding back and forth along itself.

Does that make sense?

hmm
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Like multiple kleins breathing together examining inhalations and exhalations.
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:kleinbottle:
 Quoting: Seer777


Yes,but nest them one within other and tell me how many breaths are needed for inhalation and or exhalation?
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


Just one.
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Yes,but nest them one within other and tell me how many breaths are needed for inhalation and or exhalation?
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Just one.
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That was my thought as well.

:)
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Yes,but nest them one within other and tell me how many breaths are needed for inhalation and or exhalation?
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Just one.
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That was my thought as well.

:)
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I'll give you an image. It is easy to see.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Yes,but nest them one within other and tell me how many breaths are needed for inhalation and or exhalation?
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Just one.
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That was my thought as well.

:)
 Quoting: Seer777


I'll give you an image. It is easy to see.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Septenary Man


I don't see them like that...

I see it connected at the intersection, or combined and touching like the flower of life.


vesicapisces

hmm
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Just one.
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That was my thought as well.

:)
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I'll give you an image. It is easy to see.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Septenary Man


I don't see them like that...

I see it connected at the intersection, or combined and touching like the flower of life.


:vesicapisces:

hmm
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It's a perfect picture of nested Klein Bottles. 1dunno1

Well, at least we came up with the same answer. chuckle
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It's a perfect picture of nested Klein Bottles. 1dunno1

Well, at least we came up with the same answer. chuckle
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I know.

I just don't resonate with how it looks. I know what 'nested' is...

tounge


On another note I had another thought regarding the the sliding center.

Say you have a rubber band. Twist the rubber band to make the figure 8 which I have also likened to the cross-section of a torus. Rubber being flexible...

Now the center is not 'fixed' so it can slide back and forth in a given range.

Like the rubber band this would 'ripple' through the form creating a specific vibration.

Like music.

Does that make sense?

Like a bounce.

hmm


Seems to me, if you mirrored it at the intersection, it would resemble this...

infinity

lol
 Quoting: Seer777


just slide your center over -)
 Quoting: just a dude


This inspired a thought.

Is the center point fixed? Or does it wobble?

Like the infinity sign above, the center point sliding back and forth along itself.

Does that make sense?

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777

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It's a perfect picture of nested Klein Bottles. 1dunno1

Well, at least we came up with the same answer. chuckle
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I know.

I just don't resonate with how it looks. I know what 'nested' is...

tounge


On another note I had another thought regarding the the sliding center.

Say you have a rubber band. Twist the rubber band to make the figure 8 which I have also likened to the cross-section of a torus. Rubber being flexible...

Now the center is not 'fixed' so it can slide back and forth in a given range.

Like the rubber band this would 'ripple' through the form creating a specific vibration.

Like music.

Does that make sense?

Like a bounce.

hmm


Seems to me, if you mirrored it at the intersection, it would resemble this...

infinity

lol
 Quoting: Seer777


just slide your center over -)
 Quoting: just a dude


This inspired a thought.

Is the center point fixed? Or does it wobble?

Like the infinity sign above, the center point sliding back and forth along itself.

Does that make sense?

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777

 Quoting: Seer777


if it is a non material motion process
where in non material structure would that motion process fit /z\
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if it is a non material motion process
where in non material structure would that motion process fit /z\
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as in:
might it be a symbol of synergy
a singular affect no two or more anything themselves replicate
but
what they do does form that synergistic affect
a feeling
you sign the feeling of eternal as that

maybe
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if it is a non material motion process
where in non material structure would that motion process fit /z\
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I don't know...

It's just what I saw after being inspired by JAD's 'sliding center'.


Like vibrating stings, but twisted, and bouncing.

Like you would think of a balloon as flexible.

BubbleReflection

hmm
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[link to www.youtube.com]
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ascertain universal parameters.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus

Newtonians, Christians and lately even writers for New Scientist(using some very convoluted logic re p/q and Heisenberg's Indeterminacy Principle) believe the universe is a machine and its actions (Pre)determined.
Might this not just be a cultural artefact?
Maaaybe micro events within the macro framework can be affected by human and other consciousness thereby rendering a given future uncertain and probabalistic only.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28760789


My intuition is that there is only conciousness and everything an artifact thereof.

Everything resides in other, As witbout other there is no determinancy.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


what if the God consciousness, the prime consciousness, is continally creating himself and expanding like a fractal.

And the age old question, before there was anything, who created God?

Answer: time is an illusion, there was no 'before there was anything'
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if it is a non material motion process
where in non material structure would that motion process fit /z\
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I don't know...

It's just what I saw after being inspired by JAD's 'sliding center'.


Like vibrating stings, but twisted, and bouncing.

Like you would think of a balloon as flexible.

BubbleReflection

hmm
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it exists but how may it exist
remembering 2 is the base of all and their singular affect (synergy) is what occurs because 2 exists for it to occur

we can see maybe that there exists a synergy between the two that only the 2 experience

that synergy (frame of mind) dictates the shape their singular affect forms

thus all is the way it is because of the frame of mind only two things that are not we, can see
but
all things including the 2 and we experience the 2`s expression of what only they see because their synergy sets the way they express all that can be

does that make sense
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if it is a non material motion process
where in non material structure would that motion process fit /z\
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I don't know...

It's just what I saw after being inspired by JAD's 'sliding center'.


Like vibrating stings, but twisted, and bouncing.

Like you would think of a balloon as flexible.

BubbleReflection

hmm
 Quoting: Seer777


it exists but how may it exist
remembering 2 is the base of all and their singular affect (synergy) is what occurs because 2 exists for it to occur

we can see maybe that there exists a synergy between the two that only the 2 experience

that synergy (frame of mind) dictates the shape their singular affect forms

thus all is the way it is because of the frame of mind only two things that are not we, can see
but
all things including the 2 and we experience the 2`s expression of what only they see because their synergy sets the way they express all that can be

does that make sense
 Quoting: aether


Two of these but mirrored and flexible, connected at intersection...

:kleinbottle:

Essentially, I was postulating if the 'center point' was not 'fixed' it could wobble within a given range.

The wobble, or bounce being vibration. Frequency...as it ripples through the form.

Sliding back and forth on itself like a violin bow to strings.

Rainbowfrequency

hmm

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Two of these but mirrored and flexible, connected at intersection...

:kleinbottle:

Essentially, I was postulating if the 'center point' was not 'fixed' it could wobble within a given range.

The wobble, or bounce being vibration. Frequency...as it ripples through the form.

Sliding back and forth on itself like a violin bow to strings.

Rainbowfrequency

hmm
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yes
it provides information by the way you show

it would occur within a sphere and utilize the vortical energy within the sphere to do what you describe

do you see it within a sphere