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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 31036731 Canada 02/05/2013 09:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Newtonians, Christians and lately even writers for New Scientist(using some very convoluted logic re p/q and Heisenberg's Indeterminacy Principle) believe the universe is a machine and its actions (Pre)determined. Might this not just be a cultural artefact? Maaaybe micro events within the macro framework can be affected by human and other consciousness thereby rendering a given future uncertain and probabalistic only. My intuition is that there is only conciousness and everything an artifact thereof. Everything resides in other, As witbout other there is no determinancy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25196431 United States 02/05/2013 09:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you, I have been seeking a definition outside my own. The consciousness is entagled with something other than the self, but the self defines the peramiters of existence. Through experiance of linear time, courses of future intent can be seen, definitions unknown to the observer as the peramiters currently defined have no understanding of the future peramiters. This is how I have explained it to myself. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 31036731 Canada 02/05/2013 10:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you, I have been seeking a definition outside my own. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25196431 The consciousness is entagled with something other than the self, but the self defines the peramiters of existence. Through experiance of linear time, courses of future intent can be seen, definitions unknown to the observer as the peramiters currently defined have no understanding of the future peramiters. This is how I have explained it to myself. The question therein lies with the projection of other. As until concious renders other as understood it creates other within awareness through being. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 31036731 Canada 02/05/2013 10:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Like multiple kleins breathing together examining inhalations and exhalations. Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus :kleinbottle: Yes,but nest them one within other and tell me how many breaths are needed for inhalation and or exhalation? To infinity of course. ;) |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 31036731 Canada 02/06/2013 08:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Like multiple kleins breathing together examining inhalations and exhalations. Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus :kleinbottle: Yes,but nest them one within other and tell me how many breaths are needed for inhalation and or exhalation? To infinity of course. ;) I'm hoping the question wasn't too abstract. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 31036731 Canada 02/06/2013 09:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus All that are left are modifiers, such as object families within programming structures. You are left with the personal spin. i get it same as we discovered that if we could replicate you, atom for atom, the way you are now (exactly) there would be 2 dions because what is dion is outside of dion structure so the same pattern always does the same thing is what you are telling yes As per the video, do you now see why I gave such import to the +- charged mucousa? The diffusionary/osmotic bodies which create or bias information transference. |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 02/06/2013 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes,but nest them one within other and tell me how many breaths are needed for inhalation and or exhalation? To infinity of course. ;) I'm hoping the question wasn't too abstract. It was poignant, as an hour or so before I was remarking to myself in meditation, that I felt no need to breathe and I was wondering if I was breathing at all. So I took notice and found them to be extremely shallow...tiny inhale/exhale. And gentle. Then pause when there was neither. It was beautiful... I could live there. :) Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 02/06/2013 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Like multiple kleins breathing together examining inhalations and exhalations. Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus :kleinbottle: Seems to me, if you mirrored it at the intersection, it would resemble this... :infinity: just slide your center over -) This inspired a thought. Is the center point fixed? Or does it wobble? Like the infinity sign above, the center point sliding back and forth along itself. Does that make sense? Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 02/06/2013 12:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes,but nest them one within other and tell me how many breaths are needed for inhalation and or exhalation? Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus Just one. That was my thought as well. :) I'll give you an image. It is easy to see. [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 02/06/2013 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes,but nest them one within other and tell me how many breaths are needed for inhalation and or exhalation? Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus Just one. That was my thought as well. :) I'll give you an image. It is easy to see. [link to en.wikipedia.org] I don't see them like that... I see it connected at the intersection, or combined and touching like the flower of life. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 02/06/2013 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Septenary Man I don't see them like that... I see it connected at the intersection, or combined and touching like the flower of life. :vesicapisces: It's a perfect picture of nested Klein Bottles. Well, at least we came up with the same answer. |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 02/06/2013 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's a perfect picture of nested Klein Bottles. Quoting: Septenary Man Well, at least we came up with the same answer. I know. I just don't resonate with how it looks. I know what 'nested' is... On another note I had another thought regarding the the sliding center. Say you have a rubber band. Twist the rubber band to make the figure 8 which I have also likened to the cross-section of a torus. Rubber being flexible... Now the center is not 'fixed' so it can slide back and forth in a given range. Like the rubber band this would 'ripple' through the form creating a specific vibration. Like music. Does that make sense? Like a bounce. Seems to me, if you mirrored it at the intersection, it would resemble this... Quoting: Seer777 :infinity: just slide your center over -) This inspired a thought. Is the center point fixed? Or does it wobble? Like the infinity sign above, the center point sliding back and forth along itself. Does that make sense? Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
aether User ID: 33708517 United Kingdom 02/06/2013 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's a perfect picture of nested Klein Bottles. Quoting: Septenary Man Well, at least we came up with the same answer. I know. I just don't resonate with how it looks. I know what 'nested' is... On another note I had another thought regarding the the sliding center. Say you have a rubber band. Twist the rubber band to make the figure 8 which I have also likened to the cross-section of a torus. Rubber being flexible... Now the center is not 'fixed' so it can slide back and forth in a given range. Like the rubber band this would 'ripple' through the form creating a specific vibration. Like music. Does that make sense? Like a bounce. Seems to me, if you mirrored it at the intersection, it would resemble this... Quoting: Seer777 :infinity: just slide your center over -) This inspired a thought. Is the center point fixed? Or does it wobble? Like the infinity sign above, the center point sliding back and forth along itself. Does that make sense? if it is a non material motion process where in non material structure would that motion process fit /z\ |
aether User ID: 33708517 United Kingdom 02/06/2013 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if it is a non material motion process where in non material structure would that motion process fit /z\ as in: might it be a symbol of synergy a singular affect no two or more anything themselves replicate but what they do does form that synergistic affect a feeling you sign the feeling of eternal as that maybe |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 02/06/2013 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if it is a non material motion process Quoting: aether where in non material structure would that motion process fit /z\ I don't know... It's just what I saw after being inspired by JAD's 'sliding center'. Like vibrating stings, but twisted, and bouncing. Like you would think of a balloon as flexible. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 135178 United States 02/06/2013 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Newtonians, Christians and lately even writers for New Scientist(using some very convoluted logic re p/q and Heisenberg's Indeterminacy Principle) believe the universe is a machine and its actions (Pre)determined. Might this not just be a cultural artefact? Maaaybe micro events within the macro framework can be affected by human and other consciousness thereby rendering a given future uncertain and probabalistic only. My intuition is that there is only conciousness and everything an artifact thereof. Everything resides in other, As witbout other there is no determinancy. what if the God consciousness, the prime consciousness, is continally creating himself and expanding like a fractal. And the age old question, before there was anything, who created God? Answer: time is an illusion, there was no 'before there was anything' |
aether User ID: 33708517 United Kingdom 02/06/2013 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if it is a non material motion process Quoting: aether where in non material structure would that motion process fit /z\ I don't know... It's just what I saw after being inspired by JAD's 'sliding center'. Like vibrating stings, but twisted, and bouncing. Like you would think of a balloon as flexible. it exists but how may it exist remembering 2 is the base of all and their singular affect (synergy) is what occurs because 2 exists for it to occur we can see maybe that there exists a synergy between the two that only the 2 experience that synergy (frame of mind) dictates the shape their singular affect forms thus all is the way it is because of the frame of mind only two things that are not we, can see but all things including the 2 and we experience the 2`s expression of what only they see because their synergy sets the way they express all that can be does that make sense |
Seer777 Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 02/06/2013 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if it is a non material motion process Quoting: aether where in non material structure would that motion process fit /z\ I don't know... It's just what I saw after being inspired by JAD's 'sliding center'. Like vibrating stings, but twisted, and bouncing. Like you would think of a balloon as flexible. it exists but how may it exist remembering 2 is the base of all and their singular affect (synergy) is what occurs because 2 exists for it to occur we can see maybe that there exists a synergy between the two that only the 2 experience that synergy (frame of mind) dictates the shape their singular affect forms thus all is the way it is because of the frame of mind only two things that are not we, can see but all things including the 2 and we experience the 2`s expression of what only they see because their synergy sets the way they express all that can be does that make sense Two of these but mirrored and flexible, connected at intersection... :kleinbottle: Essentially, I was postulating if the 'center point' was not 'fixed' it could wobble within a given range. The wobble, or bounce being vibration. Frequency...as it ripples through the form. Sliding back and forth on itself like a violin bow to strings. Last Edited by Seer777 on 02/06/2013 01:25 PM Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
aether User ID: 33708517 United Kingdom 02/06/2013 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Two of these but mirrored and flexible, connected at intersection... :kleinbottle: Essentially, I was postulating if the 'center point' was not 'fixed' it could wobble within a given range. The wobble, or bounce being vibration. Frequency...as it ripples through the form. Sliding back and forth on itself like a violin bow to strings. yes it provides information by the way you show it would occur within a sphere and utilize the vortical energy within the sphere to do what you describe do you see it within a sphere |