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Part of the Obama Affordable Care Act has been withheld from us!!!!!!!!!

 
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Part of the Obama Affordable Care Act has been withheld from us!!!!!!!!!
Of course most of us have heard of this so called "religious exemption" that the Obama Healthcare travesty has mentioned. Inside of the bill, it is mentioned first in Chapter 48, Section 5000A, (d)(2)(A) RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS:

‘‘(2) RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS.—
‘‘(A) RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION.—Such term
shall not include any individual for any month if such
individual has in effect an exemption under section
1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care
Act which certifies that such individual is a member of
a recognized religious sect or division thereof described
in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets
or teachings of such sect or division as described in such
section.

You see that it specifically references 1402(g)(1) of the Healthcare bill. However , a search for this particular section of law ( [link to www.gpo.gov] PAGE 105) ENDS AT F(3)!!!! There is no 1402(g)!!!!!!!!!!

WHY IS THIS PORTION OF THE BILL THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BEING HIDDEN??????
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Of course most of us have heard of this so called "religious exemption" that the Obama Healthcare travesty has mentioned. Inside of the bill, it is mentioned first in Chapter 48, Section 5000A, (d)(2)(A) RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS:

‘‘(2) RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS.—
‘‘(A) RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION.—Such term
shall not include any individual for any month if such
individual has in effect an exemption under section
1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care
Act which certifies that such individual is a member of
a recognized religious sect or division thereof described
in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets
or teachings of such sect or division as described in such
section.

You see that it specifically references 1402(g)(1) of the Healthcare bill. However , a search for this particular section of law ( [link to www.gpo.gov] PAGE 105) ENDS AT F(3)!!!! There is no 1402(g)!!!!!!!!!!

WHY IS THIS PORTION OF THE BILL THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BEING HIDDEN??????
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Nobody cares? Come on people!
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Lawyers up to their tricks knowing they own the system and those that they control with it.
It's no mystery that they describe themselves as 'officers of the court'
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When the lies become overly obvious they know they've already gotten the graves dug
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Of course most of us have heard of this so called "religious exemption" that the Obama Healthcare travesty has mentioned. Inside of the bill, it is mentioned first in Chapter 48, Section 5000A, (d)(2)(A) RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS:

‘‘(2) RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS.—
‘‘(A) RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION.—Such term
shall not include any individual for any month if such
individual has in effect an exemption under section
1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care
Act which certifies that such individual is a member of
a recognized religious sect or division thereof described
in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets
or teachings of such sect or division as described in such
section.

You see that it specifically references 1402(g)(1) of the Healthcare bill. However , a search for this particular section of law ( [link to www.gpo.gov] PAGE 105) ENDS AT F(3)!!!! There is no 1402(g)!!!!!!!!!!

WHY IS THIS PORTION OF THE BILL THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BEING HIDDEN??????
 Quoting: TurthMonger 5183070


Mods! Pin this! We need to find out this what this section says. Thanks OP.
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Lawyers up to their tricks knowing they own the system and those that they control with it.
It's no mystery that they describe themselves as 'officers of the court'
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bump
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Lawyers up to their tricks knowing they own the system and those that they control with it.
It's no mystery that they describe themselves as 'officers of the court'
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bump
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bumpbump

I cant believe this is being ignored.
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A simple google search for "section 1402(g)(1) of the internal revenue code" and I found the section quite easily:

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]

(g) Members of certain religious faiths
(1) Exemption
Any individual may file an application (in such form and manner, and with such official, as may be prescribed by regulations under this chapter) for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act). Such exemption may be granted only if the application contains or is accompanied by—
(A) such evidence of such individual’s membership in, and adherence to the tenets or teachings of, the sect or division thereof as the Secretary may require for purposes of determining such individual’s compliance with the preceding sentence, and
(B) his waiver of all benefits and other payments under titles II and XVIII of the Social Security Act on the basis of his wages and self-employment income as well as all such benefits and other payments to him on the basis of the wages and self-employment income of any other person,
and only if the Commissioner of Social Security finds that—
(C) such sect or division thereof has the established tenets or teachings referred to in the preceding sentence,
(D) it is the practice, and has been for a period of time which he deems to be substantial, for members of such sect or division thereof to make provision for their dependent members which in his judgment is reasonable in view of their general level of living, and
(E) such sect or division thereof has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1950.

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Lawyers up to their tricks knowing they own the system and those that they control with it.
It's no mystery that they describe themselves as 'officers of the court'
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bump
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bumpbump

I cant believe this is being ignored.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5183070


And you wonder why?
If you get 180 people who intend to simply each put you off just by one % from the truth, when they all have their say, you could end up going in the opposite direction.

The truth doesnt pay as well as those that seek to destroy it
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Have you ever seen "The Rainmaker"?

"Could you please turn to Section U"?
"There is no Section U".

Fucking bastards, they in-sure-us they'll steal it all, in plain sight.
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Watch this and you will know why they pushed it thought at any cost...remember they lost the election over pushing health care though

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Watched the video. It made me cry. This is the era I grew up in. Now it seems like it is game over. Congress no longer listens to "the will of the people". It doesn't feel safe here anymore and I feel like my son has no future. No wonder they want to make a gun grab. The outrage is building as people see their way of life disappearing.
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Watched the video. It made me cry. This is the era I grew up in. Now it seems like it is game over. Congress no longer listens to "the will of the people". It doesn't feel safe here anymore and I feel like my son has no future. No wonder they want to make a gun grab. The outrage is building as people see their way of life disappearing.
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Its one hell of a eye opener.... sorry to depress you
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There are religious groups who do not believe in our common form of medical treatment amongst them would be Seventh Day Adventists etc. This means they can qualify for an exclusion. IT ALSO WOULD INCLUDE MUSLIMS who do not believe in insurance or the payment of interest as a religious tenet.
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This is a very typical "Amish Clause". Many laws have one.
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5a

There are religious groups who do not believe in our common form of medical treatment amongst them would be Seventh Day Adventists etc. This means they can qualify for an exclusion. IT ALSO WOULD INCLUDE MUSLIMS who do not believe in insurance or the payment of interest as a religious tenet.
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But it does NOT include Christians - see the Hobby Lobby case.
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Watch this and you will know why they pushed it thought at any cost...remember they lost the election over pushing health care though

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Yeah, sure...you should have said they lost the battle, but those fuckers sointenly won the war.
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A simple google search for "section 1402(g)(1) of the internal revenue code" and I found the section quite easily:

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]

(g) Members of certain religious faiths
(1) Exemption
Any individual may file an application (in such form and manner, and with such official, as may be prescribed by regulations under this chapter) for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act). Such exemption may be granted only if the application contains or is accompanied by—
(A) such evidence of such individual’s membership in, and adherence to the tenets or teachings of, the sect or division thereof as the Secretary may require for purposes of determining such individual’s compliance with the preceding sentence, and
(B) his waiver of all benefits and other payments under titles II and XVIII of the Social Security Act on the basis of his wages and self-employment income as well as all such benefits and other payments to him on the basis of the wages and self-employment income of any other person,
and only if the Commissioner of Social Security finds that—
(C) such sect or division thereof has the established tenets or teachings referred to in the preceding sentence,
(D) it is the practice, and has been for a period of time which he deems to be substantial, for members of such sect or division thereof to make provision for their dependent members which in his judgment is reasonable in view of their general level of living, and
(E) such sect or division thereof has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1950.
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Well shit, if I had known it was that easy to opt out of social security all along.
Where can I get one of those forms. My belief systems should qualify nicely.
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How does one go about signing up for this 0bama care???
Seems there's been a take over of health care, but NO CARE involved.. Shouldn't there be some sort of policy, something 'we the people' get?
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A simple google search for "section 1402(g)(1) of the internal revenue code" and I found the section quite easily:

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]

(g) Members of certain religious faiths
(1) Exemption
Any individual may file an application (in such form and manner, and with such official, as may be prescribed by regulations under this chapter) for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act). Such exemption may be granted only if the application contains or is accompanied by—
(A) such evidence of such individual’s membership in, and adherence to the tenets or teachings of, the sect or division thereof as the Secretary may require for purposes of determining such individual’s compliance with the preceding sentence, and
(B) his waiver of all benefits and other payments under titles II and XVIII of the Social Security Act on the basis of his wages and self-employment income as well as all such benefits and other payments to him on the basis of the wages and self-employment income of any other person,
and only if the Commissioner of Social Security finds that—
(C) such sect or division thereof has the established tenets or teachings referred to in the preceding sentence,
(D) it is the practice, and has been for a period of time which he deems to be substantial, for members of such sect or division thereof to make provision for their dependent members which in his judgment is reasonable in view of their general level of living, and
(E) such sect or division thereof has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1950.
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In other words, those of the Muslim faith are exempt from Obamacare.
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Of course most of us have heard of this so called "religious exemption" that the Obama Healthcare travesty has mentioned. Inside of the bill, it is mentioned first in Chapter 48, Section 5000A, (d)(2)(A) RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS:

‘‘(2) RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS.—
‘‘(A) RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION.—Such term
shall not include any individual for any month if such
individual has in effect an exemption under section
1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care
Act which certifies that such individual is a member of
a recognized religious sect or division thereof described
in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets
or teachings of such sect or division as described in such
section.

You see that it specifically references 1402(g)(1) of the Healthcare bill. However , a search for this particular section of law ( [link to www.gpo.gov] PAGE 105) ENDS AT F(3)!!!! There is no 1402(g)!!!!!!!!!!

WHY IS THIS PORTION OF THE BILL THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BEING HIDDEN??????
 Quoting: TurthMonger 5183070


I dunno, but the wording is patently unconstitutional, because it attempts to limit exemption to "recognized" religions or sects, which is an ABSURD violation of the Constitution.

But, in keeping with legislation, lets disect the double-speak of this "affordable care act."

Since ALL legislation is titled to convey the exact opposite of what it actually does:::::

ACT: Decree by force of arms
AFFORDABLE: Exorbitantly costly to the max
CARE: We're going to poison you and chop off your shit, possibly implant cyborg bits.

That should clear things up for you :P
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Because it pertains to Muslims only.
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A simple google search for "section 1402(g)(1) of the internal revenue code" and I found the section quite easily:

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]

(g) Members of certain religious faiths
(1) Exemption
Any individual may file an application (in such form and manner, and with such official, as may be prescribed by regulations under this chapter) for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act). Such exemption may be granted only if the application contains or is accompanied by—
(A) such evidence of such individual’s membership in, and adherence to the tenets or teachings of, the sect or division thereof as the Secretary may require for purposes of determining such individual’s compliance with the preceding sentence, and
(B) his waiver of all benefits and other payments under titles II and XVIII of the Social Security Act on the basis of his wages and self-employment income as well as all such benefits and other payments to him on the basis of the wages and self-employment income of any other person,
and only if the Commissioner of Social Security finds that—
(C) such sect or division thereof has the established tenets or teachings referred to in the preceding sentence,
(D) it is the practice, and has been for a period of time which he deems to be substantial, for members of such sect or division thereof to make provision for their dependent members which in his judgment is reasonable in view of their general level of living, and
(E) such sect or division thereof has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1950.
 Quoting: chaakin


In other words, those of the Muslim faith are exempt from Obamacare.
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I don't know enough about Muslim belief system to comment on this. Do you have a link to verify Muslim's don't believe in collecting social security?

It is an Amish clause...HOWEVER, what concerns me is the last sentence, part (E). It says no new religions can be formed which will be exempt from Obamacare and Social Security.

So my next question is....how do we all become Amish? I think they maybe have it right.
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Holy snikees, if this is true and what you are saying about Muslims and other religions being able to opt out but a Christian can't this should have people foaming at the mouth.
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A simple google search for "section 1402(g)(1) of the internal revenue code" and I found the section quite easily:

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]

(g) Members of certain religious faiths
(1) Exemption
Any individual may file an application (in such form and manner, and with such official, as may be prescribed by regulations under this chapter) for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act). Such exemption may be granted only if the application contains or is accompanied by—
(A) such evidence of such individual’s membership in, and adherence to the tenets or teachings of, the sect or division thereof as the Secretary may require for purposes of determining such individual’s compliance with the preceding sentence, and
(B) his waiver of all benefits and other payments under titles II and XVIII of the Social Security Act on the basis of his wages and self-employment income as well as all such benefits and other payments to him on the basis of the wages and self-employment income of any other person,
and only if the Commissioner of Social Security finds that—
(C) such sect or division thereof has the established tenets or teachings referred to in the preceding sentence,
(D) it is the practice, and has been for a period of time which he deems to be substantial, for members of such sect or division thereof to make provision for their dependent members which in his judgment is reasonable in view of their general level of living, and
(E) such sect or division thereof has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1950.
 Quoting: chaakin


In other words, those of the Muslim faith are exempt from Obamacare.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9107938


Meaning they get it FREE. They don't have to pay into the system, they also don't get fined for not having any insurance, but are 100% covered by it..
This has been brought up before, but no one seemed to really 'get it.' Oh and the 50 or so Amish are also covered, but don't believe they even use any kind government health care system..
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How does one go about signing up for this 0bama care???
Seems there's been a take over of health care, but NO CARE involved.. Shouldn't there be some sort of policy, something 'we the people' get?
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"WE" get the BILL
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Watched the video. It made me cry. This is the era I grew up in. Now it seems like it is game over. Congress no longer listens to "the will of the people". It doesn't feel safe here anymore and I feel like my son has no future. No wonder they want to make a gun grab. The outrage is building as people see their way of life disappearing.
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Its one hell of a eye opener.... sorry to depress you
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A simple google search for "section 1402(g)(1) of the internal revenue code" and I found the section quite easily:

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]

(g) Members of certain religious faiths
(1) Exemption
Any individual may file an application (in such form and manner, and with such official, as may be prescribed by regulations under this chapter) for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act). Such exemption may be granted only if the application contains or is accompanied by—
(A) such evidence of such individual’s membership in, and adherence to the tenets or teachings of, the sect or division thereof as the Secretary may require for purposes of determining such individual’s compliance with the preceding sentence, and
(B) his waiver of all benefits and other payments under titles II and XVIII of the Social Security Act on the basis of his wages and self-employment income as well as all such benefits and other payments to him on the basis of the wages and self-employment income of any other person,
and only if the Commissioner of Social Security finds that—
(C) such sect or division thereof has the established tenets or teachings referred to in the preceding sentence,
(D) it is the practice, and has been for a period of time which he deems to be substantial, for members of such sect or division thereof to make provision for their dependent members which in his judgment is reasonable in view of their general level of living, and
(E) such sect or division thereof has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1950.
 Quoting: chaakin


lol.
so basically NO NEW RELIGIOUS SECT may be cited, which means then that to forge your own way from here on out, and to be recognized in the future as an independent "sect", one has to graft onto an older organized group with verifiable history.

kind of like having to show a birth certificate before the end of 1950 to have any "protection" or "exemption" under this 1402(g)(1)

fascinating! thanks for posting this. wow.
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Because it pertains to Muslims only.
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And who wrote it? Allies of the Muslim Brotherhood.

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