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| TruthMonger (OP) User ID: 5183070 02/01/2013 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course most of us have heard of this so called "religious exemption" that the Obama Healthcare travesty has mentioned. Inside of the bill, it is mentioned first in Chapter 48, Section 5000A, (d)(2)(A) RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS: Quoting: TurthMonger 5183070 ‘‘(2) RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS.— ‘‘(A) RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION.—Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption under section 1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof described in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section. You see that it specifically references 1402(g)(1) of the Healthcare bill. However , a search for this particular section of law ( [link to www.gpo.gov] PAGE 105) ENDS AT F(3)!!!! There is no 1402(g)!!!!!!!!!! WHY IS THIS PORTION OF THE BILL THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BEING HIDDEN?????? Nobody cares? Come on people! |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2497831 02/01/2013 12:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course most of us have heard of this so called "religious exemption" that the Obama Healthcare travesty has mentioned. Inside of the bill, it is mentioned first in Chapter 48, Section 5000A, (d)(2)(A) RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS: Quoting: TurthMonger 5183070 ‘‘(2) RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS.— ‘‘(A) RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION.—Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption under section 1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof described in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section. You see that it specifically references 1402(g)(1) of the Healthcare bill. However , a search for this particular section of law ( [link to www.gpo.gov] PAGE 105) ENDS AT F(3)!!!! There is no 1402(g)!!!!!!!!!! WHY IS THIS PORTION OF THE BILL THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BEING HIDDEN?????? Mods! Pin this! We need to find out this what this section says. Thanks OP. |
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| chaakin User ID: 16568552 02/01/2013 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A simple google search for "section 1402(g)(1) of the internal revenue code" and I found the section quite easily: [link to www.law.cornell.edu] (g) Members of certain religious faiths (1) Exemption Any individual may file an application (in such form and manner, and with such official, as may be prescribed by regulations under this chapter) for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act). Such exemption may be granted only if the application contains or is accompanied by— (A) such evidence of such individual’s membership in, and adherence to the tenets or teachings of, the sect or division thereof as the Secretary may require for purposes of determining such individual’s compliance with the preceding sentence, and (B) his waiver of all benefits and other payments under titles II and XVIII of the Social Security Act on the basis of his wages and self-employment income as well as all such benefits and other payments to him on the basis of the wages and self-employment income of any other person, and only if the Commissioner of Social Security finds that— (C) such sect or division thereof has the established tenets or teachings referred to in the preceding sentence, (D) it is the practice, and has been for a period of time which he deems to be substantial, for members of such sect or division thereof to make provision for their dependent members which in his judgment is reasonable in view of their general level of living, and (E) such sect or division thereof has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1950. Last Edited by chaakin on 02/01/2013 01:58 PM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1310640 02/01/2013 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lawyers up to their tricks knowing they own the system and those that they control with it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640 It's no mystery that they describe themselves as 'officers of the court' ![]() ![]() ![]() I cant believe this is being ignored. And you wonder why? If you get 180 people who intend to simply each put you off just by one % from the truth, when they all have their say, you could end up going in the opposite direction. The truth doesnt pay as well as those that seek to destroy it |
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| YaRight User ID: 1219589 02/01/2013 02:14 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Watch this and you will know why they pushed it thought at any cost...remember they lost the election over pushing health care though [link to www.youtube.com] The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33228148 02/01/2013 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Watched the video. It made me cry. This is the era I grew up in. Now it seems like it is game over. Congress no longer listens to "the will of the people". It doesn't feel safe here anymore and I feel like my son has no future. No wonder they want to make a gun grab. The outrage is building as people see their way of life disappearing. |
| YaRight User ID: 1219589 02/01/2013 02:53 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Watched the video. It made me cry. This is the era I grew up in. Now it seems like it is game over. Congress no longer listens to "the will of the people". It doesn't feel safe here anymore and I feel like my son has no future. No wonder they want to make a gun grab. The outrage is building as people see their way of life disappearing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33228148 Its one hell of a eye opener.... sorry to depress you The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. |
| ANNONYMOUS User ID: 8415236 02/01/2013 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ![]() There are religious groups who do not believe in our common form of medical treatment amongst them would be Seventh Day Adventists etc. This means they can qualify for an exclusion. IT ALSO WOULD INCLUDE MUSLIMS who do not believe in insurance or the payment of interest as a religious tenet. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33452045 02/01/2013 03:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ![]() There are religious groups who do not believe in our common form of medical treatment amongst them would be Seventh Day Adventists etc. This means they can qualify for an exclusion. IT ALSO WOULD INCLUDE MUSLIMS who do not believe in insurance or the payment of interest as a religious tenet. But it does NOT include Christians - see the Hobby Lobby case. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23554071 02/01/2013 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Watch this and you will know why they pushed it thought at any cost...remember they lost the election over pushing health care though Quoting: YaRight [link to www.youtube.com] Yeah, sure...you should have said they lost the battle, but those fuckers sointenly won the war. |
| N3m3s1s User ID: 4637200 02/01/2013 03:13 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A simple google search for "section 1402(g)(1) of the internal revenue code" and I found the section quite easily: Quoting: chaakin [link to www.law.cornell.edu] (g) Members of certain religious faiths (1) Exemption Any individual may file an application (in such form and manner, and with such official, as may be prescribed by regulations under this chapter) for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act). Such exemption may be granted only if the application contains or is accompanied by— (A) such evidence of such individual’s membership in, and adherence to the tenets or teachings of, the sect or division thereof as the Secretary may require for purposes of determining such individual’s compliance with the preceding sentence, and (B) his waiver of all benefits and other payments under titles II and XVIII of the Social Security Act on the basis of his wages and self-employment income as well as all such benefits and other payments to him on the basis of the wages and self-employment income of any other person, and only if the Commissioner of Social Security finds that— (C) such sect or division thereof has the established tenets or teachings referred to in the preceding sentence, (D) it is the practice, and has been for a period of time which he deems to be substantial, for members of such sect or division thereof to make provision for their dependent members which in his judgment is reasonable in view of their general level of living, and (E) such sect or division thereof has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1950. Well shit, if I had known it was that easy to opt out of social security all along. Where can I get one of those forms. My belief systems should qualify nicely. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 9107938 02/01/2013 03:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A simple google search for "section 1402(g)(1) of the internal revenue code" and I found the section quite easily: Quoting: chaakin [link to www.law.cornell.edu] (g) Members of certain religious faiths (1) Exemption Any individual may file an application (in such form and manner, and with such official, as may be prescribed by regulations under this chapter) for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act). Such exemption may be granted only if the application contains or is accompanied by— (A) such evidence of such individual’s membership in, and adherence to the tenets or teachings of, the sect or division thereof as the Secretary may require for purposes of determining such individual’s compliance with the preceding sentence, and (B) his waiver of all benefits and other payments under titles II and XVIII of the Social Security Act on the basis of his wages and self-employment income as well as all such benefits and other payments to him on the basis of the wages and self-employment income of any other person, and only if the Commissioner of Social Security finds that— (C) such sect or division thereof has the established tenets or teachings referred to in the preceding sentence, (D) it is the practice, and has been for a period of time which he deems to be substantial, for members of such sect or division thereof to make provision for their dependent members which in his judgment is reasonable in view of their general level of living, and (E) such sect or division thereof has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1950. In other words, those of the Muslim faith are exempt from Obamacare. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 14290628 02/01/2013 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course most of us have heard of this so called "religious exemption" that the Obama Healthcare travesty has mentioned. Inside of the bill, it is mentioned first in Chapter 48, Section 5000A, (d)(2)(A) RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS: Quoting: TurthMonger 5183070 ‘‘(2) RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS.— ‘‘(A) RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION.—Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption under section 1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof described in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section. You see that it specifically references 1402(g)(1) of the Healthcare bill. However , a search for this particular section of law ( [link to www.gpo.gov] PAGE 105) ENDS AT F(3)!!!! There is no 1402(g)!!!!!!!!!! WHY IS THIS PORTION OF THE BILL THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BEING HIDDEN?????? I dunno, but the wording is patently unconstitutional, because it attempts to limit exemption to "recognized" religions or sects, which is an ABSURD violation of the Constitution. But, in keeping with legislation, lets disect the double-speak of this "affordable care act." Since ALL legislation is titled to convey the exact opposite of what it actually does::::: ACT: Decree by force of arms AFFORDABLE: Exorbitantly costly to the max CARE: We're going to poison you and chop off your shit, possibly implant cyborg bits. That should clear things up for you :P |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6814516 02/01/2013 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A simple google search for "section 1402(g)(1) of the internal revenue code" and I found the section quite easily: Quoting: chaakin [link to www.law.cornell.edu] (g) Members of certain religious faiths (1) Exemption Any individual may file an application (in such form and manner, and with such official, as may be prescribed by regulations under this chapter) for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act). Such exemption may be granted only if the application contains or is accompanied by— (A) such evidence of such individual’s membership in, and adherence to the tenets or teachings of, the sect or division thereof as the Secretary may require for purposes of determining such individual’s compliance with the preceding sentence, and (B) his waiver of all benefits and other payments under titles II and XVIII of the Social Security Act on the basis of his wages and self-employment income as well as all such benefits and other payments to him on the basis of the wages and self-employment income of any other person, and only if the Commissioner of Social Security finds that— (C) such sect or division thereof has the established tenets or teachings referred to in the preceding sentence, (D) it is the practice, and has been for a period of time which he deems to be substantial, for members of such sect or division thereof to make provision for their dependent members which in his judgment is reasonable in view of their general level of living, and (E) such sect or division thereof has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1950. In other words, those of the Muslim faith are exempt from Obamacare. I don't know enough about Muslim belief system to comment on this. Do you have a link to verify Muslim's don't believe in collecting social security? It is an Amish clause...HOWEVER, what concerns me is the last sentence, part (E). It says no new religions can be formed which will be exempt from Obamacare and Social Security. So my next question is....how do we all become Amish? I think they maybe have it right. |
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| ceawaves User ID: 28704314 02/01/2013 03:32 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A simple google search for "section 1402(g)(1) of the internal revenue code" and I found the section quite easily: Quoting: chaakin [link to www.law.cornell.edu] (g) Members of certain religious faiths (1) Exemption Any individual may file an application (in such form and manner, and with such official, as may be prescribed by regulations under this chapter) for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act). Such exemption may be granted only if the application contains or is accompanied by— (A) such evidence of such individual’s membership in, and adherence to the tenets or teachings of, the sect or division thereof as the Secretary may require for purposes of determining such individual’s compliance with the preceding sentence, and (B) his waiver of all benefits and other payments under titles II and XVIII of the Social Security Act on the basis of his wages and self-employment income as well as all such benefits and other payments to him on the basis of the wages and self-employment income of any other person, and only if the Commissioner of Social Security finds that— (C) such sect or division thereof has the established tenets or teachings referred to in the preceding sentence, (D) it is the practice, and has been for a period of time which he deems to be substantial, for members of such sect or division thereof to make provision for their dependent members which in his judgment is reasonable in view of their general level of living, and (E) such sect or division thereof has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1950. In other words, those of the Muslim faith are exempt from Obamacare. Meaning they get it FREE. They don't have to pay into the system, they also don't get fined for not having any insurance, but are 100% covered by it.. This has been brought up before, but no one seemed to really 'get it.' Oh and the 50 or so Amish are also covered, but don't believe they even use any kind government health care system.. |
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| Weltsmertz User ID: 32105718 02/01/2013 03:36 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Watched the video. It made me cry. This is the era I grew up in. Now it seems like it is game over. Congress no longer listens to "the will of the people". It doesn't feel safe here anymore and I feel like my son has no future. No wonder they want to make a gun grab. The outrage is building as people see their way of life disappearing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33228148 Its one hell of a eye opener.... sorry to depress you YAH, OT WAS PRETTY SAD. Stupid caps lock key! A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. Friedrich Nietzsche |
| eos User ID: 29094041 02/01/2013 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A simple google search for "section 1402(g)(1) of the internal revenue code" and I found the section quite easily: Quoting: chaakin [link to www.law.cornell.edu] (g) Members of certain religious faiths (1) Exemption Any individual may file an application (in such form and manner, and with such official, as may be prescribed by regulations under this chapter) for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act). Such exemption may be granted only if the application contains or is accompanied by— (A) such evidence of such individual’s membership in, and adherence to the tenets or teachings of, the sect or division thereof as the Secretary may require for purposes of determining such individual’s compliance with the preceding sentence, and (B) his waiver of all benefits and other payments under titles II and XVIII of the Social Security Act on the basis of his wages and self-employment income as well as all such benefits and other payments to him on the basis of the wages and self-employment income of any other person, and only if the Commissioner of Social Security finds that— (C) such sect or division thereof has the established tenets or teachings referred to in the preceding sentence, (D) it is the practice, and has been for a period of time which he deems to be substantial, for members of such sect or division thereof to make provision for their dependent members which in his judgment is reasonable in view of their general level of living, and (E) such sect or division thereof has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1950. lol. so basically NO NEW RELIGIOUS SECT may be cited, which means then that to forge your own way from here on out, and to be recognized in the future as an independent "sect", one has to graft onto an older organized group with verifiable history. kind of like having to show a birth certificate before the end of 1950 to have any "protection" or "exemption" under this 1402(g)(1) fascinating! thanks for posting this. wow. --------------------------------eos--------------------------------------- the first will be last, the last first, captivity captive. |
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