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Part of the Obama Affordable Care Act has been withheld from us!!!!!!!!!

 
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There are religious groups who do not believe in our common form of medical treatment amongst them would be Seventh Day Adventists etc. This means they can qualify for an exclusion. IT ALSO WOULD INCLUDE MUSLIMS who do not believe in insurance or the payment of interest as a religious tenet.
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to prove that they must be exempt because their believe does not allow any insurance, they should prove that they also have no insurance on

car
house
life
liability
etc. etc. etc.

bet that most of them just want to get a free ride and religion is a fantastic excuse to get it.
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Why do you people participate with the feds at all? Either learn to skirt around them, and or give up your "dream" of home ownership, etc, you don't own your home any7way; you are paying rent through taxes.

I haven't filed in 14 years, and I won't be. I don't own shit, but I am resisting this bullshit by not supporting it, or participating-- listen to what they are saying: they are telling you what you are =allowed= to keep.
Is this freedom?
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Why worry? God is in control. Live right; do right and everything will fall into place. He will protect His children. When you have peace of mind knowing the Almighty is protecting you, all worry and anxiety goes out the door.

Be smarter than the serpent. Live in God's Word. Be Holy. And peace of mind will come to you too.

Many are called but few are chosen. Be in God's grace. It's free. God is just waiting for all His children to turn to him. You have a chance to do it freely and avoid taking part in the destruction of this world which is to come shortly. For this Heaven and Earth age will pass away. All things on Earth that are of Satan and evil will be burned away with fervent heart. The very rudiments will be destroyed. Don't fall victim to your own pride and foolishness.

Take your place among your brethren.
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Why worry? God is in control. Live right; do right and everything will fall into place. He will protect His children. When you have peace of mind knowing the Almighty is protecting you, all worry and anxiety goes out the door.

Be smarter than the serpent. Live in God's Word. Be Holy. And peace of mind will come to you too.

Many are called but few are chosen. Be in God's grace. It's free. God is just waiting for all His children to turn to him. You have a chance to do it freely and avoid taking part in the destruction of this world which is to come shortly. For this Heaven and Earth age will pass away. All things on Earth that are of Satan and evil will be burned away with fervent heart. The very rudiments will be destroyed. Don't fall victim to your own pride and foolishness.

Take your place among your brethren.
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Someone actually took the time to read the bill? LMAO! This must be the Twilight Zone.
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Someone actually took the time to read the bill? LMAO! This must be the Twilight Zone.
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Lol......but not the whole thing! Reading it would take long enough but deciphering it too? Years.
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A simple google search for "section 1402(g)(1) of the internal revenue code" and I found the section quite easily:

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]

(g) Members of certain religious faiths
(1) Exemption
Any individual may file an application (in such form and manner, and with such official, as may be prescribed by regulations under this chapter) for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act). Such exemption may be granted only if the application contains or is accompanied by—
(A) such evidence of such individual’s membership in, and adherence to the tenets or teachings of, the sect or division thereof as the Secretary may require for purposes of determining such individual’s compliance with the preceding sentence, and
(B) his waiver of all benefits and other payments under titles II and XVIII of the Social Security Act on the basis of his wages and self-employment income as well as all such benefits and other payments to him on the basis of the wages and self-employment income of any other person,
and only if the Commissioner of Social Security finds that—
(C) such sect or division thereof has the established tenets or teachings referred to in the preceding sentence,
(D) it is the practice, and has been for a period of time which he deems to be substantial, for members of such sect or division thereof to make provision for their dependent members which in his judgment is reasonable in view of their general level of living, and
(E) such sect or division thereof has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1950.
 Quoting: chaakin


Well shit, if I had known it was that easy to opt out of social security all along.
Where can I get one of those forms. My belief systems should qualify nicely.
 Quoting: N3m3s1s



Apparently, you also have to be male.

Fuck all of this.

Dont care for it. Not religious. And will NOT be climbing aboard.

If that is a problem for anyone, the lights are on, and the door is unlocked and open, and I am a surgeon of steel.
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So they meant the IRS code vs. the bill itself...

You have to love this statement....

"...member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof..."

So much for separation of state and church.

We does the state care what sect you are. Ludicrous.
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You gotta be a muzzie to get out of this jackpot...
"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."
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A simple google search for "section 1402(g)(1) of the internal revenue code" and I found the section quite easily:

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]

(g) Members of certain religious faiths
(1) Exemption
Any individual may file an application (in such form and manner, and with such official, as may be prescribed by regulations under this chapter) for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act). Such exemption may be granted only if the application contains or is accompanied by—
(A) such evidence of such individual’s membership in, and adherence to the tenets or teachings of, the sect or division thereof as the Secretary may require for purposes of determining such individual’s compliance with the preceding sentence, and
(B) his waiver of all benefits and other payments under titles II and XVIII of the Social Security Act on the basis of his wages and self-employment income as well as all such benefits and other payments to him on the basis of the wages and self-employment income of any other person,
and only if the Commissioner of Social Security finds that—
(C) such sect or division thereof has the established tenets or teachings referred to in the preceding sentence,
(D) it is the practice, and has been for a period of time which he deems to be substantial, for members of such sect or division thereof to make provision for their dependent members which in his judgment is reasonable in view of their general level of living, and
(E) such sect or division thereof has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1950.
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What are the benefits under titles II and XVIII of the Social Security Act? Any Muslim or anyone else claiming exemption, according to this text, would also have to renounce those benefits.
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All this new info is too important to let slip to the back pages.

Sure, we have been had, but the hoax is more of a hoax than ever!
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it is clear, if you opt out of Obamacare, you forfeit social security.
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Here is the section of law containing "Religious Conscience Exemption".

26 USC § 5000A - Requirement to maintain minimum essential coverage


(a) Requirement to maintain minimum essential coverage
An applicable individual shall for each month beginning after 2013 ensure that the individual, and any dependent of the individual who is an applicable individual, is covered under minimum essential coverage for such month.
(b) Shared responsibility payment
(1) In general
If a taxpayer who is an applicable individual, or an applicable individual for whom the taxpayer is liable under paragraph (3), fails to meet the requirement of subsection (a) for 1 or more months, then, except as provided in subsection (e), there is hereby imposed on the taxpayer a penalty with respect to such failures in the amount determined under subsection (c).
(2) Inclusion with return
Any penalty imposed by this section with respect to any month shall be included with a taxpayer’s return under chapter 1 for the taxable year which includes such month.
(3) Payment of penalty
If an individual with respect to whom a penalty is imposed by this section for any month—
(A) is a dependent (as defined in section 152) of another taxpayer for the other taxpayer’s taxable year including such month, such other taxpayer shall be liable for such penalty, or
(B) files a joint return for the taxable year including such month, such individual and the spouse of such individual shall be jointly liable for such penalty.
(c) Amount of penalty
(1) In general
The amount of the penalty imposed by this section on any taxpayer for any taxable year with respect to failures described in subsection (b)(1) shall be equal to the lesser of—
(A) the sum of the monthly penalty amounts determined under paragraph (2) for months in the taxable year during which 1 or more such failures occurred, or
(B) an amount equal to the national average premium for qualified health plans which have a bronze level of coverage, provide coverage for the applicable family size involved, and are offered through Exchanges for plan years beginning in the calendar year with or within which the taxable year ends.
(2) Monthly penalty amounts
For purposes of paragraph (1)(A), the monthly penalty amount with respect to any taxpayer for any month during which any failure described in subsection (b)(1) occurred is an amount equal to 1/12 of the greater of the following amounts:
(A) Flat dollar amount
An amount equal to the lesser of—
(i) the sum of the applicable dollar amounts for all individuals with respect to whom such failure occurred during such month, or
(ii) 300 percent of the applicable dollar amount (determined without regard to paragraph (3)(C)) for the calendar year with or within which the taxable year ends.
(B) Percentage of income
An amount equal to the following percentage of the excess of the taxpayer’s household income for the taxable year over the amount of gross income specified in section 6012 (a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer for the taxable year:
(i) 1.0 percent for taxable years beginning in 2014.
(ii) 2.0 percent for taxable years beginning in 2015.
(iii) 2.5 percent for taxable years beginning after 2015.
(3) Applicable dollar amount
For purposes of paragraph (1)—
(A) In general
Except as provided in subparagraphs (B) and (C), the applicable dollar amount is $695.
(B) Phase in
The applicable dollar amount is $95 for 2014 and $325 for 2015.
(C) Special rule for individuals under age 18
If an applicable individual has not attained the age of 18 as of the beginning of a month, the applicable dollar amount with respect to such individual for the month shall be equal to one-half of the applicable dollar amount for the calendar year in which the month occurs.
(D) Indexing of amount
In the case of any calendar year beginning after 2016, the applicable dollar amount shall be equal to $695, increased by an amount equal to—
(i) $695, multiplied by
(ii) the cost-of-living adjustment determined under section 1 (f)(3) for the calendar year, determined by substituting “calendar year 2015” for “calendar year 1992” in subparagraph (B) thereof.
If the amount of any increase under clause (i) is not a multiple of $50, such increase shall be rounded to the next lowest multiple of $50.
(4) Terms relating to income and families
For purposes of this section—
(A) Family size
The family size involved with respect to any taxpayer shall be equal to the number of individuals for whom the taxpayer is allowed a deduction under section 151 (relating to allowance of deduction for personal exemptions) for the taxable year.
(B) Household income
The term “household income” means, with respect to any taxpayer for any taxable year, an amount equal to the sum of—
(i) the modified adjusted gross income of the taxpayer, plus
(ii) the aggregate modified adjusted gross incomes of all other individuals who—
(I) were taken into account in determining the taxpayer’s family size under paragraph (1), and
(II) were required to file a return of tax imposed by section 1 for the taxable year.
(C) Modified adjusted gross income
The term “modified adjusted gross income” means adjusted gross income increased by—
(i) any amount excluded from gross income under section 911, and
(ii) any amount of interest received or accrued by the taxpayer during the taxable year which is exempt from tax.
(d) Applicable individual
For purposes of this section—
(1) In general
The term “applicable individual” means, with respect to any month, an individual other than an individual described in paragraph (2), (3), or (4).
(2) Religious exemptions
(A) Religious conscience exemption
Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption under section 1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which certifies that such individual is—
(i) a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof which is described in section 1402 (g)(1), and
(ii) an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section.
(B) Health care sharing ministry
(i) In general Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual is a member of a health care sharing ministry for the month.
(ii) Health care sharing ministry The term “health care sharing ministry” means an organization—
(I) which is described in section 501 (c)(3) and is exempt from taxation under section 501 (a),
(II) members of which share a common set of ethical or religious beliefs and share medical expenses among members in accordance with those beliefs and without regard to the State in which a member resides or is employed,
(III) members of which retain membership even after they develop a medical condition,
(IV) which (or a predecessor of which) has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1999, and medical expenses of its members have been shared continuously and without interruption since at least December 31, 1999, and
(V) which conducts an annual audit which is performed by an independent certified public accounting firm in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles and which is made available to the public upon request.
(3) Individuals not lawfully present
Such term shall not include an individual for any month if for the month the individual is not a citizen or national of the United States or an alien lawfully present in the United States.
(4) Incarcerated individuals
Such term shall not include an individual for any month if for the month the individual is incarcerated, other than incarceration pending the disposition of charges.
(e) Exemptions
No penalty shall be imposed under subsection (a) with respect to—
(1) Individuals who cannot afford coverage
(A) In general
Any applicable individual for any month if the applicable individual’s required contribution (determined on an annual basis) for coverage for the month exceeds 8 percent of such individual’s household income for the taxable year described in section 1412(b)(1)(B) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. For purposes of applying this subparagraph, the taxpayer’s household income shall be increased by any exclusion from gross income for any portion of the required contribution made through a salary reduction arrangement.
(B) Required contribution
For purposes of this paragraph, the term “required contribution” means—
(i) in the case of an individual eligible to purchase minimum essential coverage consisting of coverage through an eligible-employer-sponsored plan, the portion of the annual premium which would be paid by the individual (without regard to whether paid through salary reduction or otherwise) for self-only coverage, or
(ii) in the case of an individual eligible only to purchase minimum essential coverage described in subsection (f)(1)(C), the annual premium for the lowest cost bronze plan available in the individual market through the Exchange in the State in the rating area in which the individual resides (without regard to whether the individual purchased a qualified health plan through the Exchange), reduced by the amount of the credit allowable under section 36B for the taxable year (determined as if the individual was covered by a qualified health plan offered through the Exchange for the entire taxable year).
(C) Special rules for individuals related to employees
For purposes of subparagraph (B)(i), if an applicable individual is eligible for minimum essential coverage through an employer by reason of a relationship to an employee, the determination under subparagraph (A) shall be made by reference to [1] required contribution of the employee.
(D) Indexing
In the case of plan years beginning in any calendar year after 2014, subparagraph (A) shall be applied by substituting for “8 percent” the percentage the Secretary of Health and Human Services determines reflects the excess of the rate of premium growth between the preceding calendar year and 2013 over the rate of income growth for such period.
(2) Taxpayers with income below filing threshold
Any applicable individual for any month during a calendar year if the individual’s household income for the taxable year described in section 1412(b)(1)(B) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is less than the amount of gross income specified in section 6012 (a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.
(3) Members of Indian tribes
Any applicable individual for any month during which the individual is a member of an Indian tribe (as defined in section 45A (c)(6)).
(4) Months during short coverage gaps
(A) In general
Any month the last day of which occurred during a period in which the applicable individual was not covered by minimum essential coverage for a continuous period of less than 3 months.
(B) Special rules
For purposes of applying this paragraph—
(i) the length of a continuous period shall be determined without regard to the calendar years in which months in such period occur,
(ii) if a continuous period is greater than the period allowed under subparagraph (A), no exception shall be provided under this paragraph for any month in the period, and
(iii) if there is more than 1 continuous period described in subparagraph (A) covering months in a calendar year, the exception provided by this paragraph shall only apply to months in the first of such periods.
The Secretary shall prescribe rules for the collection of the penalty imposed by this section in cases where continuous periods include months in more than 1 taxable year.
(5) Hardships
Any applicable individual who for any month is determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services under section 1311 (d)(4)(H) to have suffered a hardship with respect to the capability to obtain coverage under a qualified health plan.
(f) Minimum essential coverage
For purposes of this section—
(1) In general
The term “minimum essential coverage” means any of the following:
(A) Government sponsored programs
Coverage under—
(i) the Medicare program under part A of title XVIII of the Social Security Act,
(ii) the Medicaid program under title XIX of the Social Security Act,
(iii) the CHIP program under title XXI of the Social Security Act,
(iv) medical coverage under chapter 55 of title 10, United States Code, including coverage under the TRICARE program; [2]
(v) a health care program under chapter 17 or 18 of title 38, United States Code, as determined by the Secretary of Veterans Affairs, in coordination with the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the Secretary,
(vi) a health plan under section 2504 (e) of title 22, United States Code (relating to Peace Corps volunteers); [2] or
(vii) the Nonappropriated Fund Health Benefits Program of the Department of Defense, established under section 349 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1995 (Public Law 103–337; 10 U.S.C. 1587 note).
(B) Employer-sponsored plan
Coverage under an eligible employer-sponsored plan.
(C) Plans in the individual market
Coverage under a health plan offered in the individual market within a State.
(D) Grandfathered health plan
Coverage under a grandfathered health plan.
(E) Other coverage
Such other health benefits coverage, such as a State health benefits risk pool, as the Secretary of Health and Human Services, in coordination with the Secretary, recognizes for purposes of this subsection.
(2) Eligible employer-sponsored plan
The term “eligible employer-sponsored plan” means, with respect to any employee, a group health plan or group health insurance coverage offered by an employer to the employee which is—
(A) a governmental plan (within the meaning of section 2791(d)(8) of the Public Health Service Act), or
(B) any other plan or coverage offered in the small or large group market within a State.
Such term shall include a grandfathered health plan described in paragraph (1)(D) offered in a group market.
(3) Excepted benefits not treated as minimum essential coverage
The term “minimum essential coverage” shall not include health insurance coverage which consists of coverage of excepted benefits—
(A) described in paragraph (1) of subsection (c) ofsection 2791 of the Public Health Service Act; or
(B) described in paragraph (2), (3), or (4) of such subsection if the benefits are provided under a separate policy, certificate, or contract of insurance.
(4) Individuals residing outside United States or residents of territories
Any applicable individual shall be treated as having minimum essential coverage for any month—
(A) if such month occurs during any period described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of section 911 (d)(1) which is applicable to the individual, or
(B) if such individual is a bona fide resident of any possession of the United States (as determined under section 937 (a)) for such month.
(5) Insurance-related terms
Any term used in this section which is also used in title I of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act shall have the same meaning as when used in such title.
(g) Administration and procedure
(1) In general
The penalty provided by this section shall be paid upon notice and demand by the Secretary, and except as provided in paragraph (2), shall be assessed and collected in the same manner as an assessable penalty under subchapter B of chapter 68.
(2) Special rules
Notwithstanding any other provision of law—
(A) Waiver of criminal penalties
In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.
(B) Limitations on liens and levies
The Secretary shall not—
(i) file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section, or
(ii) levy on any such property with respect to such failure.
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People, you are just not getting it...they want to outlaw Christianity.
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i got to hand it too the dems. especially after they took it all anyway!

oboma waits until second term starts before you get to find out what he and the dems are ALL ABOUT
you dumb ass liberals need to wake up
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All this new info is too important to let slip to the back pages.

Sure, we have been had, but the hoax is more of a hoax than ever!
 Quoting: 13th-Century


it is clear, if you opt out of Obamacare, you forfeit social security.
 Quoting: Let Freedom Ring


Yes if you opt out via the religious exemption, so for example if some Muslim sect is religiously exempt and you use that exemption, you give up Social Security..

But if you opt out because you are in a Health Sharing Ministry, then it looks like you don't have to forfeit Social Security.

So if I am reading it right, the way out is not to become a Muslim, but to join a Health Sharing Ministry -- which are often (from what I've heard) Christian!
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The best way to opt out is to either earn very little, or earn it while residing in a foreign country. Obamascare is basically telling us all to go and find a new country.

At least medicare part A(the free part), will provide a get out of jail free card for anyone over 65. I read this crap three times before I finally found that section.
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So they meant the IRS code vs. the bill itself...

You have to love this statement....

"...member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof..."

So much for separation of state and church.

We does the state care what sect you are. Ludicrous.
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THAT IS A KEY FIND.
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