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The Department of Health and Human Services on Friday set the stage for a massive showdown between the federal government of the United States and American Christians who believe the government has no right to force them to act against their faith by mandating that they buy, provide or facilitate health-care coverage that includes sterilizations, contraception, or abortion-inducing drugs.

HHS released a new proposed regulation under the Obamacare law that the department presented as an accommodation to religious “organizations” that object to providing sterilizations, contraceptives and abortion-inducing drugs in their health care plans. However, the proposal does not truly expand the exceedingly narrow religious exemption presented in the initial regulation, which was finalized last year, and continues to offer no exemption at all to Christian individuals or business owners.

“There really is no expansion of the religious exemption,” said Leonard Leo, a Washington attorney, who is a board member of The Catholic Association, a group of Catholic lay persons dedicated to applying the teachings and principles of the church to the issues of the day.

"The HHS mandate announcement today changes nothing, it is just another accounting gimmick and the HHS mandate continues to be a violation of civil rights, religious freedom and First Amendment rights,”

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NEW HHS RULES FAIL TO RECOGNIZE CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION OF ALL AMERICANS: A.L.L.

WASHINGTON, DC - Today, the US Department of Health and Human Services issued a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking regarding Obamacare, formally known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.


The NPRM was issued in response to massive ongoing litigation and widespread public outcry against HHS mandates that require employers to provide health insurance that includes free contraceptives, sterilizations, and abortifacients, in direct violation of our constitutionally protected right of religious freedom.


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The tragic lessons of history teach us that when one right can be infringed, all rights are at risk.


The HHS mandates are losing in court.


It is time for this administration to submit itself to the US Constitution, which it has sworn to uphold, and quit trying to hold the country's conscience hostage to its own agenda.

However Obama says: *I am not a King* he just acts like one...
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NEW HHS RULES FAIL TO RECOGNIZE CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION OF ALL AMERICANS: A.L.L.

WASHINGTON, DC - Today, the US Department of Health and Human Services issued a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking regarding Obamacare, formally known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.


The NPRM was issued in response to massive ongoing litigation and widespread public outcry against HHS mandates that require employers to provide health insurance that includes free contraceptives, sterilizations, and abortifacients, in direct violation of our constitutionally protected right of religious freedom.


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 Quoting: christian


Hey susie

You got to understand the church institutions sold out their rights when they all signed in to the 501c tax bill. They were being greedy for tax exemptions and now they are paying the price for it.

They are all marching with the beast system and they cannot get out.Again you cannot blame Obama this was in place as the churches prostituted their way not to pay taxes.

Render unto to caesar the things that are caesars and unto God the things that are his


Most churches in America have organized as "501c3 tax-exempt religious organizations." This is a fairly recent trend that has only been going on for about fifty years. Churches were only added to section 501c3 of the tax code in 1954. We can thank Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson for that. Johnson was no ally of the church. As part of his political agenda, Johnson had it in mind to silence the church and eliminate the significant influence the church had always had on shaping "public policy."

Although Johnson proffered this as a "favor" to churches, the favor also came with strings attached (more like shackles). One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church, and the consequent restrictions placed upon any 501c3 church. 501c3 churches are prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day.

For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares "legal," even if it is immoral (e.g. abortion, homosexuality, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status. The 501c3 has had a "chilling effect" upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrewd and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 02/01/2013 04:43 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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are they going to enforce gay marriages in mosques...
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NEW HHS RULES FAIL TO RECOGNIZE CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION OF ALL AMERICANS: A.L.L.

WASHINGTON, DC - Today, the US Department of Health and Human Services issued a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking regarding Obamacare, formally known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.


The NPRM was issued in response to massive ongoing litigation and widespread public outcry against HHS mandates that require employers to provide health insurance that includes free contraceptives, sterilizations, and abortifacients, in direct violation of our constitutionally protected right of religious freedom.


[link to www.all.org]
 Quoting: christian


Hey susie

You got to understand the church institutions sold out their rights when they all signed in to the 501c tax bill. They were being greedy for tax exemptions and now they are paying the price for it.

They are all marching with the beast system and they cannot get out.Again you cannot blame Obama this was in place as the churches prostituted their way not to pay taxes.

Render unto to caesar the things that are caesars and unto God the things that are his


Most churches in America have organized as "501c3 tax-exempt religious organizations." This is a fairly recent trend that has only been going on for about fifty years. Churches were only added to section 501c3 of the tax code in 1954. We can thank Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson for that. Johnson was no ally of the church. As part of his political agenda, Johnson had it in mind to silence the church and eliminate the significant influence the church had always had on shaping "public policy."

Although Johnson proffered this as a "favor" to churches, the favor also came with strings attached (more like shackles). One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church, and the consequent restrictions placed upon any 501c3 church. 501c3 churches are prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day.

For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares "legal," even if it is immoral (e.g. abortion, homosexuality, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status. The 501c3 has had a "chilling effect" upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrewd and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.
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Well when a Church can no longer feed the poor, help there missionaries, help widows, children, the elderly the homeless that is a Church that has either lost it's salt or has been infiltrated by a Godless Government....
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are they going to enforce gay marriages in mosques...
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They can't afford to lose their heads...
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NEW HHS RULES FAIL TO RECOGNIZE CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION OF ALL AMERICANS: A.L.L.

WASHINGTON, DC - Today, the US Department of Health and Human Services issued a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking regarding Obamacare, formally known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.


The NPRM was issued in response to massive ongoing litigation and widespread public outcry against HHS mandates that require employers to provide health insurance that includes free contraceptives, sterilizations, and abortifacients, in direct violation of our constitutionally protected right of religious freedom.


[link to www.all.org]
 Quoting: christian


Hey susie

You got to understand the church institutions sold out their rights when they all signed in to the 501c tax bill. They were being greedy for tax exemptions and now they are paying the price for it.

They are all marching with the beast system and they cannot get out.Again you cannot blame Obama this was in place as the churches prostituted their way not to pay taxes.

Render unto to caesar the things that are caesars and unto God the things that are his


Most churches in America have organized as "501c3 tax-exempt religious organizations." This is a fairly recent trend that has only been going on for about fifty years. Churches were only added to section 501c3 of the tax code in 1954. We can thank Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson for that. Johnson was no ally of the church. As part of his political agenda, Johnson had it in mind to silence the church and eliminate the significant influence the church had always had on shaping "public policy."

Although Johnson proffered this as a "favor" to churches, the favor also came with strings attached (more like shackles). One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church, and the consequent restrictions placed upon any 501c3 church. 501c3 churches are prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day.

For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares "legal," even if it is immoral (e.g. abortion, homosexuality, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status. The 501c3 has had a "chilling effect" upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrewd and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar



Well when a Church can no longer feed the poor, help there missionaries, help widows, children, the elderly the homeless that is a Church that has either lost it's salt or has been infiltrated by a Godless Government....
 Quoting: christian


well the greedy leaders of the christian orgs should not have sold out.They let all the evils in and this is in every aspect the church is not what it should be anymore

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 02/01/2013 04:50 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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are they going to enforce gay marriages in mosques...
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They can't afford to lose their heads...
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or perhaps let gays and lesbians adopt muslim orphans....
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All they have to do is become Amish or Muzzie. Then they won't HAVE TO PARTICIPATE PERIOD.
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why do you think preachers cannot openly talk about the ills gays and lesbians? its because of the 501c agreement.Uncle sam owns the church as well as the property the church sits on
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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NEW HHS RULES FAIL TO RECOGNIZE CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION OF ALL AMERICANS: A.L.L.

WASHINGTON, DC - Today, the US Department of Health and Human Services issued a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking regarding Obamacare, formally known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.


The NPRM was issued in response to massive ongoing litigation and widespread public outcry against HHS mandates that require employers to provide health insurance that includes free contraceptives, sterilizations, and abortifacients, in direct violation of our constitutionally protected right of religious freedom.


[link to www.all.org]
 Quoting: christian


Hey susie

You got to understand the church institutions sold out their rights when they all signed in to the 501c tax bill. They were being greedy for tax exemptions and now they are paying the price for it.

They are all marching with the beast system and they cannot get out.Again you cannot blame Obama this was in place as the churches prostituted their way not to pay taxes.

Render unto to caesar the things that are caesars and unto God the things that are his


Most churches in America have organized as "501c3 tax-exempt religious organizations." This is a fairly recent trend that has only been going on for about fifty years. Churches were only added to section 501c3 of the tax code in 1954. We can thank Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson for that. Johnson was no ally of the church. As part of his political agenda, Johnson had it in mind to silence the church and eliminate the significant influence the church had always had on shaping "public policy."

Although Johnson proffered this as a "favor" to churches, the favor also came with strings attached (more like shackles). One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church, and the consequent restrictions placed upon any 501c3 church. 501c3 churches are prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day.

For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares "legal," even if it is immoral (e.g. abortion, homosexuality, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status. The 501c3 has had a "chilling effect" upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrewd and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar



Well when a Church can no longer feed the poor, help there missionaries, help widows, children, the elderly the homeless that is a Church that has either lost it's salt or has been infiltrated by a Godless Government....
 Quoting: christian


well the greedy leaders of the christian orgs should not have sold out.They let all the evils in and this is in every aspect the church is not what it should be anymore
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar



That is the entire message of the Letter to the 7 Churches in the Revelation...

Only one of them were found worthy to do the work that was intended for the Church in spreading the gospel to the nations...

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Long ago in the biblical days believers assembled at homes for worship and prayer.

Notice yeshsiyeh few journeys to jerusalem to the temple everywhere else was in open spaces or someones home

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 02/01/2013 04:58 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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why do you think preachers cannot openly talk about the ills gays and lesbians? its because of the 501c agreement.Uncle sam owns the church as well as the property the church sits on
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


However it is not only the Church that are loosing it's Constitutional rights....
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Administration? As opposed to regime?
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NEW HHS RULES FAIL TO RECOGNIZE CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION OF ALL AMERICANS: A.L.L.

WASHINGTON, DC - Today, the US Department of Health and Human Services issued a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking regarding Obamacare, formally known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.


The NPRM was issued in response to massive ongoing litigation and widespread public outcry against HHS mandates that require employers to provide health insurance that includes free contraceptives, sterilizations, and abortifacients, in direct violation of our constitutionally protected right of religious freedom.


[link to www.all.org]
 Quoting: christian


Hey susie

You got to understand the church institutions sold out their rights when they all signed in to the 501c tax bill. They were being greedy for tax exemptions and now they are paying the price for it.

They are all marching with the beast system and they cannot get out.Again you cannot blame Obama this was in place as the churches prostituted their way not to pay taxes.

Render unto to caesar the things that are caesars and unto God the things that are his


Most churches in America have organized as "501c3 tax-exempt religious organizations." This is a fairly recent trend that has only been going on for about fifty years. Churches were only added to section 501c3 of the tax code in 1954. We can thank Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson for that. Johnson was no ally of the church. As part of his political agenda, Johnson had it in mind to silence the church and eliminate the significant influence the church had always had on shaping "public policy."

Although Johnson proffered this as a "favor" to churches, the favor also came with strings attached (more like shackles). One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church, and the consequent restrictions placed upon any 501c3 church. 501c3 churches are prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day.

For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares "legal," even if it is immoral (e.g. abortion, homosexuality, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status. The 501c3 has had a "chilling effect" upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrewd and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.
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Once again you have proven yourself very versed and insightful. Why people attack you I am not sure.

Not to take away from OP, great thread. Neim takes it one level deeper though.
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why do you think preachers cannot openly talk about the ills gays and lesbians? its because of the 501c agreement.Uncle sam owns the church as well as the property the church sits on
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


However it is not only the Church that are loosing it's Constitutional rights....
 Quoting: christian


it is everyone as you see because it is written that the whole earth is given over to the wicked..The magistrates are corrupt the politicians and financiers.

I like western movies and you learn so much from these movies about the bullying that happened and is still happening

THE BANKER comes in to build railroads with Investors

The banker sends out people of flattery to decieve the uneducated

The banker then gets the SHERIFF THE JUDGE AND THE WEALTHY CITIZENS AND THE LOCAL COMMUNITY BOARD MEMBERS in his corner.

They then employ hired gunmen to burn out the homesteaders who take a stance.


Where is the church? they were already programmed to be gentle little lambs and not stand up for their rights by being overly passive.This was the new doctrine so everything could have been taken away from them.They were taught a soft little baby jesus with a lamb around his neck and speaking in soft feminine tones

The mexicans as a good example the catholics dumbed them down and made them passive prey, and did not know how to defend them selves. See the magnificent 7

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 02/01/2013 05:26 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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why do you think preachers cannot openly talk about the ills gays and lesbians? its because of the 501c agreement.Uncle sam owns the church as well as the property the church sits on
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


However it is not only the Church that are loosing it's Constitutional rights....
 Quoting: christian


it is severyone as you see because it is written that the whole earth is fiven over to the wicked..The magistrates are corrupt the politicians and rhw finaciers.

Ilike western movies and you learn so much from these movies about the bullying that happened and is still happening

THE BANKER comes in to build ralroads with Investors
The banker sends out people of flattery to decieve the uneducated

The banker then gets the SHERIFF THE JUDGE AND THE WEALTHY CITIZENS AND THE LOCAL COMMUNITY BOARD MEMBERS in his corner.

They then employ hired gunmen to burn out the homesteaders who take a stance.


Where is the church? they were already programmed to be gentle little lambs and not stand up for their rights by being overly passive.This was the new doctrine so everything could have been taken away from them.They weer taught a soft little baby jesus with a lamb around his neck and speaking in soft feminine tones
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar




You have to brainwash people first to get them to do that

You have to guilt them into it....

You have to shroud an ideology under a banner of deception....

The Church that is Lukewarm will fall under that kind of pressure..

Susie

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are they going to enforce gay marriages in mosques...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25375394


They can't afford to lose their heads...
 Quoting: christian


or perhaps let gays and lesbians adopt muslim orphans....
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i'm all for that

at least they'll cut our heads off with sensitivity, and care, and maybe the odd throw or two, and plenty of cushions in the room as well, to give it some ambience
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why do you think preachers cannot openly talk about the ills gays and lesbians? its because of the 501c agreement.Uncle sam owns the church as well as the property the church sits on
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


However it is not only the Church that are loosing it's Constitutional rights....
 Quoting: christian


it is severyone as you see because it is written that the whole earth is fiven over to the wicked..The magistrates are corrupt the politicians and rhw finaciers.

Ilike western movies and you learn so much from these movies about the bullying that happened and is still happening

THE BANKER comes in to build ralroads with Investors
The banker sends out people of flattery to decieve the uneducated

The banker then gets the SHERIFF THE JUDGE AND THE WEALTHY CITIZENS AND THE LOCAL COMMUNITY BOARD MEMBERS in his corner.

They then employ hired gunmen to burn out the homesteaders who take a stance.


Where is the church? they were already programmed to be gentle little lambs and not stand up for their rights by being overly passive.This was the new doctrine so everything could have been taken away from them.They weer taught a soft little baby jesus with a lamb around his neck and speaking in soft feminine tones
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar




You have to brainwash people first to get them to do that

You have to guilt them into it....

You have to shroud an ideology under a banner of deception....

The Church that is Lukewarm will fall under that kind of pressure..

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That is the status of the church today cold and frosting and sold out to every evil idealogy and use the name of Jesus as a prop. I believe with some good house cleaning coming back to the word in its entirety we will see the miracles and the healings but the house of worship is filthy and the spirit will not take residence in such
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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NEW HHS RULES FAIL TO RECOGNIZE CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION OF ALL AMERICANS: A.L.L.

WASHINGTON, DC - Today, the US Department of Health and Human Services issued a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking regarding Obamacare, formally known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.


The NPRM was issued in response to massive ongoing litigation and widespread public outcry against HHS mandates that require employers to provide health insurance that includes free contraceptives, sterilizations, and abortifacients, in direct violation of our constitutionally protected right of religious freedom.


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 Quoting: christian


Hey susie

You got to understand the church institutions sold out their rights when they all signed in to the 501c tax bill. They were being greedy for tax exemptions and now they are paying the price for it.

They are all marching with the beast system and they cannot get out.Again you cannot blame Obama this was in place as the churches prostituted their way not to pay taxes.

Render unto to caesar the things that are caesars and unto God the things that are his


Most churches in America have organized as "501c3 tax-exempt religious organizations." This is a fairly recent trend that has only been going on for about fifty years. Churches were only added to section 501c3 of the tax code in 1954. We can thank Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson for that. Johnson was no ally of the church. As part of his political agenda, Johnson had it in mind to silence the church and eliminate the significant influence the church had always had on shaping "public policy."

Although Johnson proffered this as a "favor" to churches, the favor also came with strings attached (more like shackles). One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church, and the consequent restrictions placed upon any 501c3 church. 501c3 churches are prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day.

For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares "legal," even if it is immoral (e.g. abortion, homosexuality, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status. The 501c3 has had a "chilling effect" upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrewd and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.
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Once again you have proven yourself very versed and insightful. Why people attack you I am not sure.

Not to take away from OP, great thread. Neim takes it one level deeper though.
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hey brother how are you?
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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That is the understatement of the year. Christians have beat the drum with the Zionist political agenda since 9/11, and have cheered while millions of innocent have died.

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are they going to enforce gay marriages in mosques...
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I can see it now...THE GREAT GAY ARMED UPRISING!!
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That is the understatement of the year. Christians have beat the drum with the Zionist political agenda since 9/11, and have cheered while millions of innocent have died.

A moral and good person will not be influenced to do evil by proxy.
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When you let your guard down, the lion lurks and that is when you are attacked.....

This is what has happened to society and the church....
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That is the understatement of the year. Christians have beat the drum with the Zionist political agenda since 9/11, and have cheered while millions of innocent have died.

A moral and good person will not be influenced to do evil by proxy.
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Unfortunately the good ones get bLamed because they are the lower level of this heirachy.It is so dangerous at times I tell people not hate because of religious differences because the muslim sees chriStians as the men in white with the red cross when they hear the word christian. The christian sees muhammad with a sword.

But the war is about an act of revenge on the roman establishment of this modern christianity that butchered innocent families who stuck to truth from since 70ad to the dark ages. Vice versa the mohammedians are remembered for their slaughter on inoccent families to convert to islam long after in the year 600ad.

The bottom line the war is not against and individual but the evil entities created out of hatred and lost for power and it is masked by feign godliness.

We have been tricked to hate each other and put one race over another due to this new movement called Christianity,

Jesus called us all out of every nation and tongue to be disciples and followers of his laws commands and statutes


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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Neither the Bushes nor Obama ever cared about the U.S. Constitution. George W. called it a "goddam piece of paper," but Obama has done a better job of destroying it. It was Bush I who introduced the utter destruction (and condemnation) of it by calling for a "New World Order" which would end the sovereignty of all existing nations, including ours.

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NEW HHS RULES FAIL TO RECOGNIZE CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION OF ALL AMERICANS: A.L.L.

WASHINGTON, DC - Today, the US Department of Health and Human Services issued a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking regarding Obamacare, formally known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.


The NPRM was issued in response to massive ongoing litigation and widespread public outcry against HHS mandates that require employers to provide health insurance that includes free contraceptives, sterilizations, and abortifacients, in direct violation of our constitutionally protected right of religious freedom.


[link to www.all.org]
 Quoting: christian


Hey susie

You got to understand the church institutions sold out their rights when they all signed in to the 501c tax bill. They were being greedy for tax exemptions and now they are paying the price for it.

They are all marching with the beast system and they cannot get out.Again you cannot blame Obama this was in place as the churches prostituted their way not to pay taxes.

Render unto to caesar the things that are caesars and unto God the things that are his


Most churches in America have organized as "501c3 tax-exempt religious organizations." This is a fairly recent trend that has only been going on for about fifty years. Churches were only added to section 501c3 of the tax code in 1954. We can thank Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson for that. Johnson was no ally of the church. As part of his political agenda, Johnson had it in mind to silence the church and eliminate the significant influence the church had always had on shaping "public policy."

Although Johnson proffered this as a "favor" to churches, the favor also came with strings attached (more like shackles). One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church, and the consequent restrictions placed upon any 501c3 church. 501c3 churches are prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day.

For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares "legal," even if it is immoral (e.g. abortion, homosexuality, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status. The 501c3 has had a "chilling effect" upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrewd and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.
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Well when a Church can no longer feed the poor, help there missionaries, help widows, children, the elderly the homeless that is a Church that has either lost it's salt or has been infiltrated by a Godless Government....
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Its not that a church can no longer feed the poor, help their missionaries, help widows, children, the elderly, the homeless, its because they do not want to help them. They are to tied up in the things of this world/ Homes, cars, clothes, diamonds etc. etc.
According to the preachers If the dumb sheep do not tithe they cannot call God their Father, but if the greedy dogs I mean preachers does not help their flock, it is ok. Quit giving to these huckters and their money will dry up, maybe they will go get them a real job. Preachers are liars, they always lie.
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NEW HHS RULES FAIL TO RECOGNIZE CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION OF ALL AMERICANS: A.L.L.

WASHINGTON, DC - Today, the US Department of Health and Human Services issued a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking regarding Obamacare, formally known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.


The NPRM was issued in response to massive ongoing litigation and widespread public outcry against HHS mandates that require employers to provide health insurance that includes free contraceptives, sterilizations, and abortifacients, in direct violation of our constitutionally protected right of religious freedom.


[link to www.all.org]
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Hey susie

You got to understand the church institutions sold out their rights when they all signed in to the 501c tax bill. They were being greedy for tax exemptions and now they are paying the price for it.

They are all marching with the beast system and they cannot get out.Again you cannot blame Obama this was in place as the churches prostituted their way not to pay taxes.

Render unto to caesar the things that are caesars and unto God the things that are his


Most churches in America have organized as "501c3 tax-exempt religious organizations." This is a fairly recent trend that has only been going on for about fifty years. Churches were only added to section 501c3 of the tax code in 1954. We can thank Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson for that. Johnson was no ally of the church. As part of his political agenda, Johnson had it in mind to silence the church and eliminate the significant influence the church had always had on shaping "public policy."

Although Johnson proffered this as a "favor" to churches, the favor also came with strings attached (more like shackles). One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church, and the consequent restrictions placed upon any 501c3 church. 501c3 churches are prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day.

For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares "legal," even if it is immoral (e.g. abortion, homosexuality, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status. The 501c3 has had a "chilling effect" upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrewd and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.
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NEW HHS RULES FAIL TO RECOGNIZE CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION OF ALL AMERICANS: A.L.L.

WASHINGTON, DC - Today, the US Department of Health and Human Services issued a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking regarding Obamacare, formally known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.


The NPRM was issued in response to massive ongoing litigation and widespread public outcry against HHS mandates that require employers to provide health insurance that includes free contraceptives, sterilizations, and abortifacients, in direct violation of our constitutionally protected right of religious freedom.


[link to www.all.org]
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Hey susie

You got to understand the church institutions sold out their rights when they all signed in to the 501c tax bill. They were being greedy for tax exemptions and now they are paying the price for it.

They are all marching with the beast system and they cannot get out.Again you cannot blame Obama this was in place as the churches prostituted their way not to pay taxes.

Render unto to caesar the things that are caesars and unto God the things that are his


Most churches in America have organized as "501c3 tax-exempt religious organizations." This is a fairly recent trend that has only been going on for about fifty years. Churches were only added to section 501c3 of the tax code in 1954. We can thank Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson for that. Johnson was no ally of the church. As part of his political agenda, Johnson had it in mind to silence the church and eliminate the significant influence the church had always had on shaping "public policy."

Although Johnson proffered this as a "favor" to churches, the favor also came with strings attached (more like shackles). One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church, and the consequent restrictions placed upon any 501c3 church. 501c3 churches are prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day.

For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares "legal," even if it is immoral (e.g. abortion, homosexuality, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status. The 501c3 has had a "chilling effect" upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrewd and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar



Once again you have proven yourself very versed and insightful. Why people attack you I am not sure.

Not to take away from OP, great thread. Neim takes it one level deeper though.
clappa
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hey brother how are you?
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Blessed by your posts as usual. You have brought much truth and wisdom

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