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This is pretty alarming


Police in Minnesota and across the country are increasingly using small car-mounted cameras to scan thousands of license plates and pinpoint -- in real time -- stolen vehicles, suspended drivers and criminals.

Those same cameras also record the time, date and location of every car they see and store the information. That disturbs privacy advocates, who want more details about the cameras and are calling for standards to govern how police classify and retain plate-reader data.

Without a state law, departments in Minnesota are free to set their own policies on how long they keep the information.
The State Patrol deletes location data after 48 hours, St. Paul police erase it in 14 days and Minneapolis retains it for a year.

Minneapolis cops captured data on 805,000 license plates in June alone, and 4.9 million so far this year. When a Star Tribune reporter requested data on his own license plate under Minnesota's open records law, the Minneapolis Police Department responded with a list of dates, times and coordinates of his car that illustrated his daily routine.


Over the course of a year, cameras in squad cars logged him heading to work on W. Franklin Avenue at 8:07 a.m. one day, returning home on Portland Avenue S. at 6:17 p.m. on another, and parking three times late at night outside a friend's house in Uptown. Police had captured the car's license plate seven times.

"The technology that would make '1984' possible in real life exists now," said Chuck Samuelson, executive director of the Minnesota ACLU, which recently joined 35 of its affiliates nationwide to file data requests on how local agencies use the technology. "But the infrastructure to protect individuals' privacies and rights doesn't exist, particularly on the legislative and the judicial side."

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So who has access to your location data? Anyone who asks for it, according to Bob Sykora, chief information officer for the Minnesota Board of Public Defense. Sykora warned in a memo this June that location data retained by police is currently public. That means it could be obtained via record requests by data miners or other members of the public, he wrote, enabling burglars to learn someone's daily routine or ex-spouses to track former partners
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I'll get a plate and hang it on my ass.
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Minneapolis is not the only place that they're doing this -- this is also happening in Virginia as well. In our case, it's a tactic to get more money out of the citizens (or should I say surfs) of this state. But I suspect that just like Minneapolis, cities in Virginia are collecting data as well.

I guess the next step will be checkpoints to keep you from freely traveling city to city.

Never thought that in all my 50 something years that America would turn into police state Amerika -- but here it is IYF...

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lol is jervis the lion heheheh
i love you both invite me to your wedding i hooked you both up you guys owe me ;)
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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In New Haven, Connecticut, the city which is home to Yale University, the city administration has a contract with multiple tow truck companies, which have been outfitted with device known as "The Plate Hunter." Since 2008.

read about it here:
[link to www.cityofnewhaven.com]


So, not only have the police been scanning license plates, but private companies have as well...
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Right on. I don't think our government has honored the 4th amendment since the Patriot Act. It's a surveillance society now and everyone is guilty before proven innocent. Stay vigilant.
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Yep, these are the cameras that sit on the cars facing multiple directions, or street lights, and constantly record and identify information, adding it to a big personal databank.

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My new used car insurance is Progressive. If I wish a lower rate they must check my driving. A 'snap shot' is sent by mail and even though it is an old clunker, 1998, there is a place to plug this snap shot in. Right away it monitors all driving. Even if breaking too fast, where and when you go. Mileage is down to 1/100ths of a mile.
Though not stated I assume it does not monitor the car in my bedroom.

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lol is jervis the lion heheheh
i love you both invite me to your wedding i hooked you both up you guys owe me ;)
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hey mulder! xoxoxo you know we will do that for sure! Yup he is the lion!
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My new used car insurance is Progressive. If I wish a lower rate they must check my driving. A 'snap shot' is sent by mail and even though it is an old clunker, 1998, there is a place to plug this snap shot in. Right away it monitors all driving. Even if breaking too fast, where and when you go. Mileage is down to 1/100ths of a mile.
Though not stated I assume it does not monitor the car in my bedroom.
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I heard commercials on the radio advertising that and I couldn't believe it! Who in the hell would volunteer to have their driving habits monitored?
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I saw a video a while back of new LAPD PPV's that include these license plate scanners. You could always do what Steve Jobs did: [link to wheels.blogs.nytimes.com]


EDIT: Found it. It's called ALPR (Automatic License Plate Recognition)

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mass non compliance of a license plate would be an interesting response
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mass non compliance of a license plate would be an interesting response
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funny thing is it doesn't even have to be the drivers choice since license plates are so vulnerable. their entire system and tools for it would have to be upgraded or replaced to adapt to a less vulnerable "requirement"
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mass non compliance of a license plate would be an interesting response
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funny thing is it doesn't even have to be the drivers choice since license plates are so vulnerable. their entire system and tools for it would have to be upgraded or replaced to adapt to a less vulnerable "requirement"
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in fact I would doubt if it was license plates thats being tracked. more than likely its your inspection and/or registration sticker. prob an rfid
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OK, anyone in MPLS next police car you see write down the plate number.... Heck get 20-30- (all of them)....

Ask for the data, look for a pattern....

3-4 hrs at the doughnut shop, 3-4 hr naps.... look at the patterns.... Write a letter to the paper, call city hall....

You get the idea....

Smile from one ear to the other....
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the insane are getting insaner
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IR LED illumination of your license plate bulbs might help slightly at night.

[link to www.wired.com]

But of course it's not to violate the law but just to light up your plates. It's just that they never said what color you could use and while you should use a mix of white LEDS so the officer can make out your tag CMOS and CCD based tech cameras are another story.

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OK, anyone in MPLS next police car you see write down the plate number.... Heck get 20-30- (all of them)....

Ask for the data, look for a pattern....

3-4 hrs at the doughnut shop, 3-4 hr naps.... look at the patterns.... Write a letter to the paper, call city hall....

You get the idea....

Smile from one ear to the other....
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Do that with other gubmint "workers" too. It used to be that TV stations would do that and catch the gubmint "workers" with their 6 hr lunches and doing private business and other such fraud.
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add this to the mix and you start to see how big the "matrix" or "the grid" is.
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This tech is being used at all the red light cameras popping up all around the country

As each car goes through the intersections that have cameras, the camera software does a OCR on the plate and stores the date/time in a database. Most medium/large cities have had massive federal funds to install fiber optic networks to connect all these cameras

It's gotten totally out of hand...big brother does exist and it keeps getting worse day by day
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Minneapolis is not the only place that they're doing this -- this is also happening in Virginia as well. In our case, it's a tactic to get more money out of the citizens (or should I say surfs) of this state. But I suspect that just like Minneapolis, cities in Virginia are collecting data as well.

I guess the next step will be checkpoints to keep you from freely traveling city to city.

Never thought that in all my 50 something years that America would turn into police state Amerika -- but here it is IYF...
 Quoting: kingbirdfivezero

Plus I bet you money they do the same thing with all the street cameras....sure they can't give you tickets now but I bet you dollars to doughnuts that it's still recording/storing such information.
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add this to the mix and you start to see how big the "matrix" or "the grid" is.
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Sorry, here is the link:
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older police cars are not equipped for the new tech so many and i mean many towns and counties are getting the newest police vehicles

Thread: Anybody else notice new police cars for town, county, state and federal law enforcement agencies?
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ahhh well, only a matter of time... soon there will be technology to track you by your dna.... that's if your not in prison at 2 for being a pre-disposed murderer....
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[link to www.startribune.com]


This is pretty alarming


Police in Minnesota and across the country are increasingly using small car-mounted cameras to scan thousands of license plates and pinpoint -- in real time -- stolen vehicles, suspended drivers and criminals.

Those same cameras also record the time, date and location of every car they see and store the information. That disturbs privacy advocates, who want more details about the cameras and are calling for standards to govern how police classify and retain plate-reader data.

Without a state law, departments in Minnesota are free to set their own policies on how long they keep the information.
The State Patrol deletes location data after 48 hours, St. Paul police erase it in 14 days and Minneapolis retains it for a year.

Minneapolis cops captured data on 805,000 license plates in June alone, and 4.9 million so far this year. When a Star Tribune reporter requested data on his own license plate under Minnesota's open records law, the Minneapolis Police Department responded with a list of dates, times and coordinates of his car that illustrated his daily routine.


Over the course of a year, cameras in squad cars logged him heading to work on W. Franklin Avenue at 8:07 a.m. one day, returning home on Portland Avenue S. at 6:17 p.m. on another, and parking three times late at night outside a friend's house in Uptown. Police had captured the car's license plate seven times.

"The technology that would make '1984' possible in real life exists now," said Chuck Samuelson, executive director of the Minnesota ACLU, which recently joined 35 of its affiliates nationwide to file data requests on how local agencies use the technology. "But the infrastructure to protect individuals' privacies and rights doesn't exist, particularly on the legislative and the judicial side."

Public information

So who has access to your location data? Anyone who asks for it, according to Bob Sykora, chief information officer for the Minnesota Board of Public Defense. Sykora warned in a memo this June that location data retained by police is currently public. That means it could be obtained via record requests by data miners or other members of the public, he wrote, enabling burglars to learn someone's daily routine or ex-spouses to track former partners
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