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Now put this into perspective know what the NSA has been doing with the data mining. They have access to your security cameras.



I have noticed a disturbing trend while looking to replace a few surveillance cameras at the house.

Most of the DIY cameras have always been able to view the video remotely, record, record on motion detection, email notification, upload video/pics to your FTP server, etc.

Now the majority of the cameras will still do this, but only after the video is uploaded to the "cloud." That is, to get to any additional features, other than simply viewing, the video must be sent, via the internet, to a web storage facility (the cloud) that you do not control. This might not seem like a big deal, but i bet in the TOS or user agreement there is something that allows others (you know who i mean - think alphabet) access to your video. Still might not seem that bad until you realize what they can scan off your video including facial recognition.

Instead of gov putting cameras on every street corner (and the public debate/uproar) they can now just scan users own video (all connected with the IP address that it was uploaded from...so they have the location). Any doubts what that little new building that was built in Utah for?


MyD-Link Cloud:
[link to www.dlink.com]

NetGear VueZone:
[link to www.vuezone.com]

TrendNet Cloud:
[link to www.trendnet.com]

DropCam:
[link to www.dropcam.com (secure)]

E-Line:
[link to www.elinetechnology.com]

Ganz:
[link to www.ganzcloud.com]


Lets not forget:

MS Kinect Facial Recognition:

[link to www.bizjournals.com]

Microsoft's future software may watch you, track your emotions:
[link to www.bizjournals.com]

Patent for detecting emotional state (from video-cameras or MS Kinect) of people:
[link to appft1.uspto.gov]

So they can determine your "emotional state" for advertising, what else do you think that will be used for?

Last Edited by TeamReaper on 06/07/2013 09:59 AM
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Pony up and buy a stand alone DVR...
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But its so scary with even a city in angola which would make everyone at least happy ...
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Add the fact that FB just brought back facial recognition.

so now they can scan the video, know the real-time location and now can put a name with the person (they have the entire FB user database to use to match faces with names).

So in real-time:
1) know the persons name
2) date and time
3) location

Dont think they are tracking people in real-time yet?

Thread: FB - FACIAL RECOGNITION is back - on by default
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Pony up and buy a stand alone DVR...
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Have one, Geovision System. As i said, i noticed this while looking at replacement cameras.

Look at the newer DVR systems that are coming out, advanced features are not enabled. will have to pay the monthly fee.
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get a big dog
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Pony up and buy a stand alone DVR...
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Have one, Geovision System. As i said, i noticed this while looking at replacement cameras.

Look at the newer DVR systems that are coming out, advanced features are not enabled. will have to pay the monthly fee.
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you "got to pay to play"...
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get a big dog
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Already taken care of...English Mastiff.
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Even AT&T has gotten into the market:
Thread: nSA => AT&T - Home Monitoring Systems - Live video inside/outside of subscribers home, unlock doors remotely
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This world is just getting fucking scary....
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get a big dog
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Already taken care of...English Mastiff.
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Nice!
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Just meditate
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here's a good one. cameras are direct wired, no wireless. network connection is also wired, no wireless. remote access is direct.
[link to www.harborfreight.com]

read the net setup in the manual available for download, works with phones, or computers remotely and direct to the dvr. It's also infrared, so yes, night vision.
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here's a good one. cameras are direct wired, no wireless. network connection is also wired, no wireless. remote access is direct.
[link to www.harborfreight.com]

read the net setup in the manual available for download, works with phones, or computers remotely and direct to the dvr. It's also infrared, so yes, night vision.
 Quoting: AC 5341


Yeah, appreciate the link.

Fortunately, most on here will know what to do. The majority of the other people will not know and just install the "cloud cameras."

then when you walk/drive by their camera (which you dont know is on their house) you and everyone else is now on the cloud.

Basically, they get others to install these "cloud cameras" and require the video to be sent to the cloud. From there is where the access the video. Much cheaper for them and they dont have to fight with the public about installing cameras.

Last Edited by TeamReaper on 02/01/2013 10:59 PM
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here's a good one. cameras are direct wired, no wireless. network connection is also wired, no wireless. remote access is direct.
[link to www.harborfreight.com]

read the net setup in the manual available for download, works with phones, or computers remotely and direct to the dvr. It's also infrared, so yes, night vision.
 Quoting: AC 5341


Yeah, appreciate the link.

Unfortunately, most on here will know what to do. The majority of the other people will not know and just install the "cloud cameras."

then when you walk/drive by their camera (which you dont know is on their house) you and everyone else is now on the cloud.

Basically, they get others to install these "cloud cameras" and require the video to be sent to the cloud. From there is where the access the video. Much cheaper for them and they dont have to fight with the public about installing cameras.
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Unfortunately that is right. Same people have never heard of trapwire either.
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Live like me and have nothing worth anything for people to steal have a door that your grandma can kick down.

Been living like this for 5 years, never had any problems.
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02/01/2013 11:27 PM

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Add the SD cards that send pics over WiFi

Eye-Fi - The first memory card to automatically upload photos & videos using WiFi.
[link to www.eye.fi]
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Add bi-directional tell-a-vision to the list too.
1984 is here.
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"Y-cam HomeMonitor changes this. Our camera technology connects to a free secure cloud account that can be viewed on virtually any mobile, computer, tablet or even TV."

"HomeMonitor is the first-ever residential monitoring solution offering both indoor and outdoor installations that are Wi-Fi enabled and offer true cloud-based viewing and recording."

[link to www.gadget.co.za]
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Add bi-directional tell-a-vision to the list too.
1984 is here.
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Right!
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Then there is the "Cloud Router."

"D-Link's Cloud Routers also provide the added benefit of remote network management and remote file access via mydlink Cloud Services."


"With mydlink Cloud Services you can:

1)See what devices are connecting to your network
2)View web browsing history in real time
3)Block unwanted device connections
4)Set up automatic e-mail alerts"


[link to www.dlink.com]

Seriously, why would anyone want their router to upload to a cloud.

Just one big data grab!! how much data does that new Utah building hold?
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Then there is the "Cloud Router."

"D-Link's Cloud Routers also provide the added benefit of remote network management and remote file access via mydlink Cloud Services."


"With mydlink Cloud Services you can:

1)See what devices are connecting to your network
2)View web browsing history in real time
3)Block unwanted device connections
4)Set up automatic e-mail alerts"


[link to www.dlink.com]

Seriously, why would anyone want their router to upload to a cloud.

Just one big data grab!! how much data does that new Utah building hold?
 Quoting: TeamReaper


That's even better yet ! If I get one of those, everyone can have access to my computers, smart phones, cameras and watch what I am doing in my living room! How cool is that, I'd be my own reality show.

The more you look, the worse it's gonna get.
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here's a good one. cameras are direct wired, no wireless. network connection is also wired, no wireless. remote access is direct.
[link to www.harborfreight.com]

read the net setup in the manual available for download, works with phones, or computers remotely and direct to the dvr. It's also infrared, so yes, night vision.
 Quoting: AC 5341


Wow. I was going to post a thread asking about the best security system to buy. 4 cameras would be plenty, along with night vision, and remote access. This one is good?
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There was a time when they invented cars, planes, automation and other things. Now all they invent is spyware, new fines, and ways to enprison you.
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HERE YOU GO:

Experts warn on wire-tapping of the cloud:

"In a report, he highlights how the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Amendment Act (FISAAA) allows US authorities to spy on cloud data."

"He told the BBC this heralded a new era of "cloud surveillance"."

"In it he said that FISAAA "expressly permits purely political surveillance", so that anyone with stored information relating to US foreign policy could find themselves of interest to the US authorities.

"Anyone who, for example, belongs to a campaign group which may oppose some aspect of US foreign policy, whether it be the Iraq war or climate change," he said."

""When FISAAA was extended to cover cloud computing, encrypting data to and from the cloud becomes irrelevant so it is surprising that nobody noticed this," he added."

"data in real-time with any material of possible interest being instantly copied to the NSA ...court order is made in secret and remains secret - meaning it would not show up in things such as Google's transparency reports"

"It allows the authorities to enact surveillance on a mass scale because it is wired into the infrastructure,"

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

Will be the largest data grab ever
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here's a good one. cameras are direct wired, no wireless. network connection is also wired, no wireless. remote access is direct.
[link to www.harborfreight.com]

read the net setup in the manual available for download, works with phones, or computers remotely and direct to the dvr. It's also infrared, so yes, night vision.
 Quoting: AC 5341


Wow. I was going to post a thread asking about the best security system to buy. 4 cameras would be plenty, along with night vision, and remote access. This one is good?
 Quoting: PENG


for the money it is good. picture is pretty clear and does what it says it does. The network connection can be a little difficult to set up, but at least it's not uploaded to a cloud server and doesn't transmit data 24/7. Works when accessed with username/password and direct link to your machine. You can always just unplug the network cable when you are at home if you are worried about it being tapped into.
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HERE YOU GO:

Experts warn on wire-tapping of the cloud:

"In a report, he highlights how the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Amendment Act (FISAAA) allows US authorities to spy on cloud data."

"He told the BBC this heralded a new era of "cloud surveillance"."

"In it he said that FISAAA "expressly permits purely political surveillance", so that anyone with stored information relating to US foreign policy could find themselves of interest to the US authorities.

"Anyone who, for example, belongs to a campaign group which may oppose some aspect of US foreign policy, whether it be the Iraq war or climate change," he said."

""When FISAAA was extended to cover cloud computing, encrypting data to and from the cloud becomes irrelevant so it is surprising that nobody noticed this," he added."

"data in real-time with any material of possible interest being instantly copied to the NSA ...court order is made in secret and remains secret - meaning it would not show up in things such as Google's transparency reports"

"It allows the authorities to enact surveillance on a mass scale because it is wired into the infrastructure,"

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

Will be the largest data grab ever
 Quoting: TeamReaper


Yep, and they will use it against you.
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Cloud computing law puts Canadian users at risk of snooping by American spies

"American spies can snoop through Canadiansí computer data ó including that of political organizations and without warrants ó if the data resides within popular U.S. cloud computing services, says a former Microsoft executive."

[link to www.ottawacitizen.com]
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HERE YOU GO:

Experts warn on wire-tapping of the cloud:

"In a report, he highlights how the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Amendment Act (FISAAA) allows US authorities to spy on cloud data."

"He told the BBC this heralded a new era of "cloud surveillance"."

"In it he said that FISAAA "expressly permits purely political surveillance", so that anyone with stored information relating to US foreign policy could find themselves of interest to the US authorities.

"Anyone who, for example, belongs to a campaign group which may oppose some aspect of US foreign policy, whether it be the Iraq war or climate change," he said."

""When FISAAA was extended to cover cloud computing, encrypting data to and from the cloud becomes irrelevant so it is surprising that nobody noticed this," he added."

"data in real-time with any material of possible interest being instantly copied to the NSA ...court order is made in secret and remains secret - meaning it would not show up in things such as Google's transparency reports"

"It allows the authorities to enact surveillance on a mass scale because it is wired into the infrastructure,"

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

Will be the largest data grab ever
 Quoting: TeamReaper


this is from:
former Microsoft chief privacy adviser Caspar Bowden
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5 year extension FISA of 2008 granted by Congress and the White House in Decmeber 2012.

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