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Disturbing Trend - UPDATED - with experts warnings -NSA and your SECURITY CAMERAS

 
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I noticed the same thing, except it's been like this for almost 2 years now. Yea, 2 years.

I was looking for a good cam that I could log into and have it upload video to my own server and found that the majority of the readily available equipment at any of the retail stores were all set up as IaaS (Infrastructure As A Service), which means the customer pays a monthly fee on top of the HIGHLY exaggerated costs of the newer cams.

So $10 to $30 a month to connect to your own vidcam that you paid $250 to $400 for off a shelf from Best Buy.

I honestly hadn't even thought of the ABC departments accessing the feeds, I was mostly looking at it as a Capitalist Raping to force me to pay them when I can do it myself.

Granted, I did just that by editing the firmware itself and redirecting where it saves my videos, but for the normal person... Good Luck.
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I noticed the same thing, except it's been like this for almost 2 years now. Yea, 2 years.

I was looking for a good cam that I could log into and have it upload video to my own server and found that the majority of the readily available equipment at any of the retail stores were all set up as IaaS (Infrastructure As A Service), which means the customer pays a monthly fee on top of the HIGHLY exaggerated costs of the newer cams.

So $10 to $30 a month to connect to your own vidcam that you paid $250 to $400 for off a shelf from Best Buy.

I honestly hadn't even thought of the ABC departments accessing the feeds, I was mostly looking at it as a Capitalist Raping to force me to pay them when I can do it myself.

Granted, I did just that by editing the firmware itself and redirecting where it saves my videos, but for the normal person... Good Luck.
 Quoting: Mr.Evil


client had purchased a netgear NAS (network area storage) device and could not figure out why his bandwidth would almost grind to a halt (25MB/5MB line).

turns out this NAS was phoning phone and uploading (aka - backing up to the netgear cloud...by default!!). Stop that $hit ASAP, then blocked the NAS from being able to get passed router. couldn't believe i actually had to block the NAS's IP from accessing the WAN. This was 2 years ago.

If you purchase any external or USB HD it will want to do the same thing under the cover of "remote backup"

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I have noticed a disturbing trend while looking to replace a few surveillance cameras at the house.

Most of the DIY cameras have always been able to view the video remotely, record, record on motion detection, email notification, upload video/pics to your FTP server, etc.

Now the majority of the cameras will still do this, but only after the video is uploaded to the "cloud." That is, to get to any additional features, other than simply viewing, the video must be sent, via the internet, to a web storage facility (the cloud) that you do not control. This might not seem like a big deal, but i bet in the TOS or user agreement there is something that allows others (you know who i mean - think alphabet) access to your video. Still might not seem that bad until you realize what they can scan off your video including facial recognition.

Instead of gov putting cameras on every street corner (and the public debate/uproar) they can now just scan users own video (all connected with the IP address that it was uploaded from...so they have the location). Any doubts what that little new building that was built in Utah for?


MyD-Link Cloud:
[link to www.dlink.com]

NetGear VueZone:
[link to www.vuezone.com]

TrendNet Cloud:
[link to www.trendnet.com]

DropCam:
[link to www.dropcam.com (secure)]

E-Line:
[link to www.elinetechnology.com]

Ganz:
[link to www.ganzcloud.com]


Lets not forget:

MS Kinect Facial Recognition:

[link to www.bizjournals.com]

Microsoft's future software may watch you, track your emotions:
[link to www.bizjournals.com]

Patent for detecting emotional state (from video-cameras or MS Kinect) of people:
[link to appft1.uspto.gov]

So they can determine your "emotional state" for advertising, what else do you think that will be used for?
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I have noticed a disturbing trend while looking to replace a few surveillance cameras at the house.

Most of the DIY cameras have always been able to view the video remotely, record, record on motion detection, email notification, upload video/pics to your FTP server, etc.

Now the majority of the cameras will still do this, but only after the video is uploaded to the "cloud." That is, to get to any additional features, other than simply viewing, the video must be sent, via the internet, to a web storage facility (the cloud) that you do not control. This might not seem like a big deal, but i bet in the TOS or user agreement there is something that allows others (you know who i mean - think alphabet) access to your video. Still might not seem that bad until you realize what they can scan off your video including facial recognition.

Instead of gov putting cameras on every street corner (and the public debate/uproar) they can now just scan users own video (all connected with the IP address that it was uploaded from...so they have the location). Any doubts what that little new building that was built in Utah for?


MyD-Link Cloud:
[link to www.dlink.com]

NetGear VueZone:
[link to www.vuezone.com]

TrendNet Cloud:
[link to www.trendnet.com]

DropCam:
[link to www.dropcam.com (secure)]

E-Line:
[link to www.elinetechnology.com]

Ganz:
[link to www.ganzcloud.com]


Lets not forget:

MS Kinect Facial Recognition:

[link to www.bizjournals.com]

Microsoft's future software may watch you, track your emotions:
[link to www.bizjournals.com]

Patent for detecting emotional state (from video-cameras or MS Kinect) of people:
[link to appft1.uspto.gov]

So they can determine your "emotional state" for advertising, what else do you think that will be used for?
 Quoting: TeamReaper


damned
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Lets not forget:

MS Kinect Facial Recognition:

[link to www.bizjournals.com]

Microsoft's future software may watch you, track your emotions:
[link to www.bizjournals.com]

Patent for detecting emotional state (from video-cameras or MS Kinect) of people:
[link to appft1.uspto.gov]

So they can determine your "emotional state" for advertising, what else do you think that will be used for?
 Quoting: TeamReaper


Just imagine, an ad/news/talk show you are watching and they are able to determine your "emotional state" while watching it...now image the topic of what you were watching was regarding guns/2nd admendment. See how quickly this goes downhill!!
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here's a good one. cameras are direct wired, no wireless. network connection is also wired, no wireless. remote access is direct.
[link to www.harborfreight.com]

read the net setup in the manual available for download, works with phones, or computers remotely and direct to the dvr. It's also infrared, so yes, night vision.
 Quoting: AC 5341


Wow. I was going to post a thread asking about the best security system to buy. 4 cameras would be plenty, along with night vision, and remote access. This one is good?
 Quoting: PENG


for the money it is good. picture is pretty clear and does what it says it does. The network connection can be a little difficult to set up, but at least it's not uploaded to a cloud server and doesn't transmit data 24/7. Works when accessed with username/password and direct link to your machine. You can always just unplug the network cable when you are at home if you are worried about it being tapped into.
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Thank you!
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here's a good one. cameras are direct wired, no wireless. network connection is also wired, no wireless. remote access is direct.
[link to www.harborfreight.com]

read the net setup in the manual available for download, works with phones, or computers remotely and direct to the dvr. It's also infrared, so yes, night vision.
 Quoting: AC 5341


Wow. I was going to post a thread asking about the best security system to buy. 4 cameras would be plenty, along with night vision, and remote access. This one is good?
 Quoting: PENG


for the money it is good. picture is pretty clear and does what it says it does. The network connection can be a little difficult to set up, but at least it's not uploaded to a cloud server and doesn't transmit data 24/7. Works when accessed with username/password and direct link to your machine. You can always just unplug the network cable when you are at home if you are worried about it being tapped into.
 Quoting: AC 5341


Thank you!
hf
 Quoting: PENG


Might want to also look at (i have used the geovision cards for yrs in a few clients locations):

[link to www.worldeyecam.com]


I typically order from Northern Video (use my business - not use if the sellto the public or if you have a business you could use). They just merged with tri-ed i think.

[link to www.tri-ed.com]
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I find this one a little hard to believe:

Google leads fight to limit govt access to email on cloud

[link to www.bloomberg.com]
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Security system has been breached. Archonic security systems are meant for folks that don't think beyond archonic distractions.
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Captives of the cloud: part I

[link to www.e-flux.com]

Good read
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Jan. 23, 2013:

Google - Govt surveillance on the rise
[link to news.thelaw.tv]
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Agreed - all of the attachment to "ease" and "convenience" has actually completed a great deal of the government's job for them in their pursuit to completely monitor the populous.

From this, the way(s) they can/ will/ do implement more exercise of control over the populous will be under the auspices of "safety" and "security" (for your own good, of course), and the people will buy off on it like free donuts with their latte'.
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Agreed - all of the attachment to "ease" and "convenience" has actually completed a great deal of the government's job for them in their pursuit to completely monitor the populous.

From this, the way(s) they can/ will/ do implement more exercise of control over the populous will be under the auspices of "safety" and "security" (for your own good, of course), and the people will buy off on it like free donuts with their latte'.
 Quoting: ClydeX


Well said.
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D-Link cameras stream surveillance data to the cloud

[link to gcn.com]
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For those who doubt what is going on:


"the government's approach should terrify any user of cloud computer servicesónot to mention the providers. The government maintains that Mr. Goodwin lost his property rights in his data by storing it on a cloud computing service."

"your property rights "become severely limited" if you allow someone else to host your data under standard cloud computing arrangements."

"government's tactics here also demonstrate another chilling thingóif users do try to get their property back, the government won't hesitate to comb through their property to try to find an argument to use against them."

"now the government is trying to use standard contractual language to argue that any user of a cloud computing service has, at best, "severely limited" ownership rights in their property."

10/31/12
[link to www.eff.org (secure)]

Kyle Goodwin uploaded video for his business (Ohiosportstv.net) to megaupload. Goodwin is not accused of any wrong doing. Govt seized the megaupload servers. his business is dependent on the videos he uploaded and the govt refuses to return his property (videos he took). Govt argues he lost his "property rights" by storing the videos on the "cloud." While this issue is working its way through the courts, govt states it is not clear if Goodwin or his business actually own the rights to the data.

Goodwin's brief filed:
[link to www.eff.org (secure)]

Govt brief filed:
[link to www.eff.org (secure)]
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Newly released Office 365:

"Microsoft: 'We can hand over Office 365 data without your permission'"

"it reveals links to the Trust Center; a treasure trove of data protection policies and legalities of how Microsoft will handle your data in its cloud datacenters."



[link to www.zdnet.com]
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This world is just getting fucking scary....
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You said it.

Damn Fucking scary

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For the NSA data mining
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here's a good one. cameras are direct wired, no wireless. network connection is also wired, no wireless. remote access is direct.
[link to www.harborfreight.com]

read the net setup in the manual available for download, works with phones, or computers remotely and direct to the dvr. It's also infrared, so yes, night vision.
 Quoting: AC 5341


Yeah, appreciate the link.

Fortunately, most on here will know what to do. The majority of the other people will not know and just install the "cloud cameras."

then when you walk/drive by their camera (which you dont know is on their house) you and everyone else is now on the cloud.

Basically, they get others to install these "cloud cameras" and require the video to be sent to the cloud. From there is where the access the video. Much cheaper for them and they dont have to fight with the public about installing cameras.
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I didn't think about the aspect at all, until you said it. Wow, can't believe that didn't occur to me. We take it with a grain of salt. That we're on cam so many times a day, when we're in public places. A lot of the times a parking lot cam can see you, even if you're not in that parking lot. Now just walking to the neighbors we might be on cam too. Just walking past and atm your on cam. I know in the last year or two, it's 'popular' for a lot of people to have driveway cams. A lot of the time, they see all the way to the sidewalk.

As Jenna Marbles would say.
mindblown

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