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GladioDaddy-O
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Here is the first and only media interview, dated January 28, with the seven first responders inside Sandy Hook Elementary.

[link to www.nytimes.com]

"They made it in under three minutes, arriving in the parking lot while gunfire could still be heard.

“I got out of the car and grabbed my rifle and it stopped for second,” Officer Chapman said. “But then we heard more popping. You could tell it was rifle fire. And it was up so close, it sounded like it was coming from outside. So we were all looking around for someone to shoot back at.”
"

They didn't notice the survivors from Soto's, the "Rosen" kids, run out?

Also,

"As the officers converged on the building, the gunfire stopped again. Officers Chapman and Scott Smith made their way to the front entrance. It was here, only minutes earlier, that a rail-thin 20-year-old named Adam Lanza, armed with a .223 Bushmaster semiautomatic carbine, two semiautomatic pistols and hundreds of rounds of ammunition, had blasted his way through the glass."

Many people have pointed out the discrepancies with regard to the number of guns and where they were found; as well as the improbability of the "rail-thin" Lanza's ability to maneuver with the guns and the "hundreds of rounds" of ammo.

They also don't mention the children in Soto's closet.

Please read the article carefully, and add comments.
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From the article:

"They said they omitted some details out of sensitivity to the victims, and to protect the investigation as it continued."
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So my take on reading that was that there were three kids found alive when the cops got there. One with a faint pulse who died on the scene, one who was 'scooped up' by the cop but died at hospital, and one who was found standing covered in blood but unharmed, in the middle of the carnage.

Three...

But the thing that really struck me was this:

“You saw them lifeless, laying down,” Officer Penna recalled. “For a split second, your mind says could this be a mock crime scene, could this be fake, but in the next split second, you’re saying, there is no way. This is real.”

Odd thing to include, don't you think?
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So my take on reading that was that there were three kids found alive when the cops got there. One with a faint pulse who died on the scene, one who was 'scooped up' by the cop but died at hospital, and one who was found standing covered in blood but unharmed, in the middle of the carnage.

Three...

But the thing that really struck me was this:

“You saw them lifeless, laying down,” Officer Penna recalled. “For a split second, your mind says could this be a mock crime scene, could this be fake, but in the next split second, you’re saying, there is no way. This is real.”

Odd thing to include, don't you think?
 Quoting: EA Blair 33482572


Yes, odd.

Also odd:

"As Officers Chapman and Smith approached the second classroom in the hallway on their left, they spotted a rifle on the floor. Inside, they found the gunman, Adam Lanza, dead by his own hand, along with the bodies of several children and other adults."

This has to be Soto's class, but note they don't mention her, or the survivors from the closet. The hero who shielded her kids is now just "other adult."
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a rail thin mentally challenged man who had never discharged a firearm in his life killed 35 people and wounded 26 others with two semi auto rifles in tasmania in 1998.

this shooter was a well practiced marksman and carried less weight than the tasmanian shooter.
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So many conflicting stories.

It's very easy to understand why the great majority of people just believe what they're fed without thinking.

It's like people have lost their common sense.

Or they feel so powerless that it's useless to even consider reacting. First thought is: "What difference will it make?"

But, if you are a logical thinker and can string more than two thoughts together at the same time, this SH shooting and so many things that have happened since September 11, 2001 just don't add up.

Surely, something's got to give. It can't keep going like this.

What will be the event that finally breaks the dam?
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a rail thin mentally challenged man who had never discharged a firearm in his life killed 35 people and wounded 26 others with two semi auto rifles in tasmania in 1998.

this shooter was a well practiced marksman and carried less weight than the tasmanian shooter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33473878


You know, that's what I always thought as well. Until I started thinking about it.

Now, I'm not so sure.

Who phoned the Police Station and sent the cops off on a wild goose chase for a dope crop at the farthest point in their jurisdiction from Port Arthur?

And that's just one strange event of that day.
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a rail thin mentally challenged man who had never discharged a firearm in his life killed 35 people and wounded 26 others with two semi auto rifles in tasmania in 1998.

this shooter was a well practiced marksman and carried less weight than the tasmanian shooter.
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You know, that's what I always thought as well. Until I started thinking about it.

Now, I'm not so sure.

Who phoned the Police Station and sent the cops off on a wild goose chase for a dope crop at the farthest point in their jurisdiction from Port Arthur?

And that's just one strange event of that day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33482572


Regrettably, there won't be a trial for Sandy Hook.

But if there were, I would like to see a demonstration of a man with similar proportions of those attributed to Lanza, outfit him similarly, with the two pistols, the rifle, and the HUNDREDS OF ROUNDS of ammunition. Have him crawl through the hole in the door. For the sake of the demonstration, have him shoot an air rifle at stationary targets. Time him, and record the subject's accuracy.

Lanza was said to have shot all 26 victims 3 to 11 times each, killing all but Natalie Hammond, according to most reports.
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It's what they don't talk about that bothers me; nothing about
people they detained, additional shooting going on while they were inside, hearing the single shot of Lanza killing himself.
Notice these are also the same officers shown in many photos marching up the driveway - why? where were they going? their cars were parked at the school?

Of course they point out they heard "rifle shots" as if they can instantly tell the difference. I'd put money a shotgun was used to kill the kids- I got a screenshot from a video showing a 8 -10" hole in one classroom window. Same deal with the glass beside the front door. You can't make holes like that with a rifle or a pistol. The whole scam is about placing an "Assault rifle" at the scene for political purposes.
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It's what they don't talk about that bothers me; nothing about
people they detained, additional shooting going on while they were inside, hearing the single shot of Lanza killing himself.
Notice these are also the same officers shown in many photos marching up the driveway - why? where were they going? their cars were parked at the school?

Of course they point out they heard "rifle shots" as if they can instantly tell the difference. I'd put money a shotgun was used to kill the kids- I got a screenshot from a video showing a 8 -10" hole in one classroom window. Same deal with the glass beside the front door. You can't make holes like that with a rifle or a pistol. The whole scam is about placing an "Assault rifle" at the scene for political purposes.
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The whole scam is about placing an "Assault rifle" at the scene for political purposes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26255514


i really start to think the same.


it explains the Dr Carver strange press conf.
it explains helicopter night footage with guns in trunk.
and many more craps...
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Not gonna read it cos I already know it is shit.

When the NEWS gets it all wrong anyway (best way) and are manipulative prop pushing programmers ( not the worst way) why try to make sense of their missinformation.

Where is the person who was shot in the foot, have they met with an unfortunate accident yet or are they ready to be rolled out for the next instalment of the fiasco.


How many angels fit on the head of a pin?

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Omg. The evidence produced to date does not support this story and further, is contradictory in almost every account.

Where were the bloody children? Ambulances? Paramedics? Hospital accounts of victims being brought there? A child with a pulse would have been put on advanced life support, CPR being administered, and protocol for CPR is that once started, it can't be stopped without a physician calling it.

This whole story doesn't add up. At all!
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"They found the two women first, their bodies lying on the lobby floor. Now they knew it was real."

The lobby is located where exactly? Just inside the front doors? Isn't that usually where lobbies are located? For some reason, I thought they were shot just outside of the office area...How odd that this mother who had gone to the school, and seen the broken glass (along with another parent) did not mention anything about seeing bodies...or hearing any noise. Why didn't they mention seeing this mother at the front doors? I'm assuming it would had to have been one of these five men who "ushered" her and the other parent away.

[link to www.katiecouric.com]

"One child had a slight pulse, but did not survive."

So who administered life saving techniques on this child?

"And the officers themselves, many of them fathers, instinctively used their most soothing Daddy voices to guide terrified children to safety."

wtf

"They made it in under three minutes, arriving in the parking lot while gunfire could still be heard."

The woman in the Katie interview heard nothing...complete silence. So she arrived after all of the shootings had already taken place and didn't see the bodies in the lobby like these people did? Something's not adding up.

They keep mentioning the silence. I thought the intercom was on. According to some teachers interviewed, they described hearing cries and screams.

Around 2:12 in this video, and she also mentions it near the beginning.

[link to www.youtube.com]

"They entered the front lobby and saw the first bodies, those of Dawn Hochsprung, the principal, they would later learn, and Mary Sherlach, the school psychologist."

Again, why didn't that mother and other parent see these bodies?

"You saw them lifeless, laying down,” Officer Penna recalled.

As opposed to a lifeless body standing up????

“For a split second, your mind says could this be a mock crime scene, could this be fake, but in the next split second, you’re saying, there is no way. This is real.”

Why on earth would your first thought be that this is a mock crime scene?

"The officers went from room to room, urgently hunting for the killer before he could do more harm."

Was he not found in a classroom very near to the front of the school? I thought they heard him firing the gunshot when he supposedly killed himself as they entered the building. Would they not be able to follow that sound?

"They found a wounded staff member in one room, made sure her co-workers were applying proper first aid and moved on."

Wow. Just wow. So that pretty much tells us there were no first responders in that building checking for pulses or administering first aid.

"As Officers Chapman and Smith approached the second classroom in the hallway on their left, they spotted a rifle on the floor. Inside, they found the gunman, Adam Lanza, dead by his own hand, along with the bodies of several children and other adults."

Second classroom. Hardly required going from "room to room" to search for the killer.

"The officers searched the room for any other gunmen, then began searching for signs of life among the children.One little girl had a pulse and was breathing. Officer Chapman cradled her in his arms and ran with her outside, to an ambulance.You’re safe now; your parents love you,” he recalled saying. She did not survive."

So there was still nobody in the school to perform any life-saving measures. And shouldn't life saving measures have been taken on most of these victims...at least to try to save them? They only tried to save the ones with an immediate pulse?

"Officer Penna, who was the first officer to enter the second room, found a girl standing alone amid the bodies. She appeared to be in shock, and was covered in blood, but had not been injured. He, not knowing the gunman had been found, told her to stay put."

What?! Not knowing the gunman had been found, he's going to leave a little child in a room all by herself while he goes to hunt down the shooter?

"Officer Penna returned to the second classroom, his rifle slung around his chest, grabbed the uninjured girl by the arm and ran with her out to a triage area set up in the parking lot."

Assuming this is true, you'd have expected to see photos of the pavement with bloody footprints.

"We’re kicking the doors, yelling ‘Police! Police!’ ” Officer McGowan said. “We were ripping our badges off and putting them up to the window.”

I thought they were using their "Daddy Voices."

"Some officers formed a human curtain around the bodies of Ms. Hochsprung and Ms. Sherlach, to shield the children from the sight as they filed past."

Are there no other exits in that school? Why did they decide to walk them past these bodies? Don't they have fire exits?

"As the scene settled that day, officers standing guard outside warned newly arriving colleagues not to go in if they had children."

???? Shouldn't they have been a bit more organized? Why would everyone who arrived on scene be allowed to go in there in the first place?

"Newtown’s three-man detective squad, which also included Dan McAnaspie, would spend much of the next week working with the State Police to collect and inventory every bit of evidence from the crime scene."

Wouldn't want to include any details regarding that evidence, now would we?

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How did they know all the victims were lifeless at first glance?
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everybody need to read this article...


ps: where is Gladio?

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“For a split second, your mind says could this be a mock crime scene, could this be fake, but in the next split second, you’re saying, there is no way. This is real.” -------------- it was a MOCK CRIME SCENE - IT IS ALL FAKE !!!!!!!! fucking liar. Why else would you even say that?
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If this wasn't a drill, then why weren't there any ambulances and paramedics parked at the front of the school with their lights flashing? Why were all of the emergency medical vehicles parked down the road? Why weren't there cop cars everywhere surrounding the school, lights flashing?

Why did the cops claim there was a rifle in the hall, when there was no rifle there at all?

All you have to do is watch local news reports showing the responders when a corner store gets robbed. The emergency and cop vehicles aren't parked down the road somewhere with their lights off. They swarm the place, lights flashing, first responders racing around.

Nothing about Sandy Hook comes close to what is normal response to a small incident. It's bs, pure and simple.
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a rail thin mentally challenged man who had never discharged a firearm in his life killed 35 people and wounded 26 others with two semi auto rifles in tasmania in 1998.

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This was a "Practice" run on a remote location, "Controlled" by despots.

Australia is fairly well known for its malignant sensationalist media. For example when the "media" convicted the innocent "Cry In the Dark" Lindy Chamberlain for murder?

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In this case the Malignants may have staged a mass shooting, or performed a mass shooting and pinned it on some retarded kid.
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G!adio is dead.

Not the poster (yet), just the profile.

Not by my choice.

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The account is finished, but i'm not.

I had been posting w/ names like I, Gladius and Adio-Glay (by proxy, of course). I no longer think this is a good idea as some shill imposters have used those names to post, representing themselves as me. This has also happened to a handfull of other S.H. researchers. Shows the level of desperation the forces of evil have reached.

So from now on, 3/20/13 5:15pm eastern dayight savings time, any post under any of the following names will not be me:

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Am I wrong or was there no pictures of the funerals? I quess I never ran upon any pictures on the web or Youtube. Can anyone tell me this info?
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Am I wrong or was there no pictures of the funerals? I quess I never ran upon any pictures on the web or Youtube. Can anyone tell me this info?
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you are wrong.. try Sandy Hook and Funeral or mourners in google picture search..
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Wait, so the kids evaced while the gunfire was still happening - through what entrance?
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You will never know what has happened there,
your evidence is to fragil!
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You will never know what has happened there,
your evidence is to fragil!
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So my take on reading that was that there were three kids found alive when the cops got there. One with a faint pulse who died on the scene, one who was 'scooped up' by the cop but died at hospital, and one who was found standing covered in blood but unharmed, in the middle of the carnage.

Three...

But the thing that really struck me was this:

“You saw them lifeless, laying down,” Officer Penna recalled. “For a split second, your mind says could this be a mock crime scene, could this be fake, but in the next split second, you’re saying, there is no way. This is real.”

Odd thing to include, don't you think?
 Quoting: EA Blair 33482572


DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING
coupled with the police officer saying it was rifle fire coming from the shooter when we know now that it 100% was not.

Sandy Hook didn't happen as a "real" event.. the only thing real about it is the fact it will and is being used as a backdrop to seize gun owner's rights.

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