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Wow. I dont rememeber reading roman poetry like this in school......

 
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In my first college philosophy class, we read Socrates and his writings on love, and some of it was downright homosexual, although he himself didn't participate in it. It was quite eye opening and hard as heck not to bust out laughing, but we all were snorting and trying not to crack up, and then even the female professor broke into hysterics.
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Have you ever thought of the possibility one day people of the future could be reading our own personal notes, letters, emails, posts, cybersex in their classes on the 21rst century society?

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Ostria1, they'd have to be utterly bored!

But seriously historians have certainly read common correspondence between sweethearts during the Civil War. There is a very refined and elegant eloquence in them versus the typical letter or email today.

It's possible that likewise some historian might stumble upon a printed copy or saved post on a thumb drive and find it interesting to note the language, the layers of meaning, the idioms, the sentence structure, the flirtations, the intrigue, the putdowns, the banter between all of the chorus of a community like GLP.

How's that for a run-on-sentence!

Then maybe that's shared within a class like "Social Media from the Primitive Age of Western Post-Modern Millenials."

Anything's possible and your post is insightful, and such insight coupled from a lovely woman is like the sudden awareness of the fragance of gardenias.
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If they ever try to analyse the posts of lets say GLP, I m sure they will be astonished and unable to come to a conclusion on what this "society" was about. hehe

And thank you for your nice words!

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ps. a gift for the thread.. fragment of a poem by Archilochus(Seventh century BCE, around 650)
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Re: Wow. I dont rememeber reading roman poetry like this in school......
It's all Greek to me!
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:)

In ancient Rome it was considered appropriate to force another man to degrade himself by forcing him to suck your cock, if he angered you enough.
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true.

caligula was especially cruel at this: if a woman angered him, he would command her husband to get on his fours, and then he would fuck him in the ass on spot, just to show her who the real alpha male was.

romans were a fucked-up bunch...
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Re: Wow. I dont rememeber reading roman poetry like this in school......
In response to the above conversation, I was thinking about that today, what it would be like 100s of years from now, and future generations looking back on how we spoke during our present times.

The funny thing is, think about how formal the language was then, and how that is so peculiar to us today. Now, for a moment, think about in the last 200 years, language was still formal. Not as formal as roman times, but mind you, George Washington spoke more formal, and just as recently in the past 75 years...even in the 1950s, less formal then ever before, but very formal considering how we speak today.

In our own lifetimes, we have seen language change to become more and more casual with time. Now we speak in acronyms a lot!

So, this is what I was thinking, imagine our super casual way of speaking today, will sound formal to the people 100s of years from now.

It makes you wonder what our language will evolve into.

Will we end up going full circle, and shortening words so much, we go back to caveman grunting, just uttering vowels? Or will we eventually not speak at all and have the capabilities of communicating telepathically?

It makes you really wonder doesn't it.
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In response to the above conversation, I was thinking about that today, what it would be like 100s of years from now, and future generations looking back on how we spoke during our present times.

The funny thing is, think about how formal the language was then, and how that is so peculiar to us today. Now, for a moment, think about in the last 200 years, language was still formal. Not as formal as roman times, but mind you, George Washington spoke more formal, and just as recently in the past 75 years...even in the 1950s, less formal then ever before, but very formal considering how we speak today.

In our own lifetimes, we have seen language change to become more and more casual with time. Now we speak in acronyms a lot!

So, this is what I was thinking, imagine our super casual way of speaking today, will sound formal to the people 100s of years from now.

It makes you wonder what our language will evolve into.

Will we end up going full circle, and shortening words so much, we go back to caveman grunting, just uttering vowels? Or will we eventually not speak at all and have the capabilities of communicating telepathically?

It makes you really wonder doesn't it.
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There was a music group during the 80s called DEVO. They talked about people devolving. That idea was also a theme in the film Idiocracy.

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People devolving.. yes i start to believe in this. I mean this is probably the real war the "elite" has set against us, the ordinary people.
I always believed that education is the main substance that keeps a society healthy and helps it to develop.

On the language, the ancients believed that there is power in the words. You can find it in the most ancient paganism, in the Greek Philosophy, you can also find it in the Bible "In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God".

The language we use, forms our thoughts. (and vice versa)

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bump this for more discussion
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People devolving.. yes i start to believe in this. I mean this is probably the real war the "elite" has set against us, the ordinary people.
I always believed that education is the main substance that keeps a society healthy and helps it to develop.

On the language, the ancients believed that there is power in the words. You can find it in the most ancient paganism, in the Greek Philosophy, you can also find it in the Bible "In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God".

The language we use, forms our thoughts. (and vice versa)
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the plebs has been taught a limited slave language. and that goes up for every culture in known history.

a lot a problems with contemporary science stem from that; notwithstanding, we got quite far with our limits.
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the plebs has been taught a limited slave language. and that goes up for every culture in known history.

a lot a problems with contemporary science stem from that; notwithstanding, we got quite far with our limits.
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I agree and today we do it for the shake of simplification.
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Yeah, Catallus is pretty explicit. Aristophanes can get pretty bad at times too. I grew tired of Catallus pretty quickly. It's all shock value, like most comedians today.
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Yeah, Catallus is pretty explicit. Aristophanes can get pretty bad at times too. I grew tired of Catallus pretty quickly. It's all shock value, like most comedians today.
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Some of his poetry not only was comedic, but was filled also with anger and passion. Not something I would write off entirely.

Most of it speaks to his age I believe.
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Yeah, Catallus is pretty explicit. Aristophanes can get pretty bad at times too. I grew tired of Catallus pretty quickly. It's all shock value, like most comedians today.
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Some of his poetry not only was comedic, but was filled also with anger and passion. Not something I would write off entirely.

Most of it speaks to his age I believe.
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Granted. I guess I don't totally write him off, but I definitely prefer a number of other authors.
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Yeah, Catallus is pretty explicit. Aristophanes can get pretty bad at times too. I grew tired of Catallus pretty quickly. It's all shock value, like most comedians today.
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Some of his poetry not only was comedic, but was filled also with anger and passion. Not something I would write off entirely.

Most of it speaks to his age I believe.
 Quoting: J&V


Granted. I guess I don't totally write him off, but I definitely prefer a number of other authors.
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Share them! hf
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Had a friend once make up several poetry excerpts for English class in grade 9. In grade 13 he wrote a paper on the biography of Stephen Nonoon..his alias.

He passed with all A's!!

Wonder if he could do that these days?

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I'm a fan of Horace and Pindar in particular. Martial has some good stuff.

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