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EUKARYOTIC CELLS - A Devastating Blow For the Fairytale of Evolution

 
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This video proves absolutely nothing. These videos are all the same. They use great big complex explanations of things like cellular activity to try and make the point that this HAD to be a creation because it's just simply too complex for it to be evolution.

Btw, most fairy tales come from books, and the bible is no exception.
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Here's the point: The more we learn, the more complex we see that our human genome is. This could not have happened by "accident."

Second law of thermodynamics: Everything is breaking down, NOT evolving to something better. I see NO proof that evolution ever created ANYTHING.
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Yes. DNA can only be lost, it is not created. Say you want to breed a large dog. Your dog has genes for large and small. You must lose the small gene. Natural selection is the loss of certain genes. Natural selection is devolution.
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Could one of you who doesn't believe in evolution please explain to me what horse breeders and dog breeders do for a living? Are they wasting their time?
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LisaX2, you aren't the person behind these GLP Mr. Darwin posts are you?

Evolution is about sexual selection and natural selection.

Natural selection is what happens when species don't adapt to their environment and die leaving better adapted to live and sexually select.

Sexual selection is when species intelligently select each other based on desirable adaptive traits.

Evolution does not say that there is no intelligence in design. Nor does evolution say that there is a God or there is no God.

Evolution's religion is decidedly neutral.

Evolution is not opinion as the fossil record showing that the simplest of life in the oldest rocks evolved into different life is without question, solid proof.

Your only counter-argument is that those fossils were all placed there by Satan. In my opinion, these beliefs should not be allowed in public schools. Nations who believe such things become weak and vulnerable to enemies who accept the fact of fossils all around them.
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No, that is DGN, he's a male and one of Jehovah's witnesses. I'm a female born again christian.
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Well you know what they say... There's one born again every minute..
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I love the leap of logic from "intelligent design is real!" to "the Christian God is real!"

Always cracks me up.
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I five starred this for the animation alone. The Carl Gallups commentary wasn't that compelling. He did a decent job describing the inner organelles of Euraryotic organisms, but didn't real prove that evolution wasn't responsible. Bold claims require bold data to back up his assertions and he failed in that.

I'm a arch-conservative Christian and studied the sciences at the graduate level and so of course I believe some blend of how life began, but of course I know that God made all of Creation. I'm not worried if Evolution was or wasn't the method utilized. I really don't see why people think it is or isn't.

As Christians, if the goal is to witness especially to the scientific intellectuals, then using Science as a teaching tool requires a lot of hard core experts not the average layman. This is why over and over, most Christians actually do a disservice to the Gospel by arguing about Evolution.

You must think on this. The route to altering someone's spiritual journey is almost always through the heart, that is the soul of a person, not the brain. Very few people chose Christianity through intellectual means.

A long time ago, much of homiletics was done by trying to create more and more persuasive arguments, but that doesn't work especially with Post-Moderns. It's a waste of energy and a using a very old pre-1950 paradigm.

What does work is showing wonder at creation, for it is inescapably lovely and intricate and only the most cold folks can not sense a Supreme Being by walking through a forest or meadow. Looing into the vast firmament of the myriad stars is one such way, and the upcoming Comet ISON will be a chance to discuss the wonder of a cosmic snowball being hurled in an elyptical orbit past our Earth.

Talk about Jesus. Who can argue with His words of such magnificent love, His altrusim, and honor. These things are compelling about our faith. More time about Jesus and less time about Evolution.
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Well, I guess you'll have to take that up with Jesus Himself since He placed it on my heart to post this here today.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Be careful there, Hon. Yes, I feel inspired by the love of Jesus. That's why I've made 1000 posts on prepping in order to be a servant to the GLP community. That doesn't mean that Jesus Himself put ideas in my head. That borders on pride and on a personal stamp of approval from our Lord and Savior. Don't be brash, for such ideas can make you think that whatever you say is direct communication from Jesus. That would make you a modern day prophet and certainly subject to scrutiny.

I know you mean well, but I wouldn't make such claims.


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If we didn't 'evolve', then how come we aren't still living in caves and don't even know what a wheel is etc etc ?
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That's technological advancement not complex life evolving from a bowl of dead chemical soup.
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Could one of you who doesn't believe in evolution please explain to me what horse breeders and dog breeders do for a living? Are they wasting their time?
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If you have 2 big dogs mate, the odds of getting big puppies increases. The big dogs didn't "evolve" from anything. Within the code of wolves, they could produce a terrier or a mastiff.
Just like humans can produce midgets or Shaq. Those are the parameters. Call me when we "evolve" to 500 foot beings.
Thanks.
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Could one of you who doesn't believe in evolution please explain to me what horse breeders and dog breeders do for a living? Are they wasting their time?
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If you have 2 big dogs mate, the odds of getting big puppies increases. The big dogs didn't "evolve" from anything. Within the code of wolves, they could produce a terrier or a mastiff.
Just like humans can produce midgets or Shaq. Those are the parameters. Call me when we "evolve" to 500 foot beings.
Thanks.
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So dog breeders don't select animals to achieve a certain outcome? So it's all by chance and they are wasting their time?
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There is a rock in my yard. I guarantee that rock won't turn into an elephant in a few billion years.
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Could one of you who doesn't believe in evolution please explain to me what horse breeders and dog breeders do for a living? Are they wasting their time?
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If you have 2 big dogs mate, the odds of getting big puppies increases. The big dogs didn't "evolve" from anything. Within the code of wolves, they could produce a terrier or a mastiff.
Just like humans can produce midgets or Shaq. Those are the parameters. Call me when we "evolve" to 500 foot beings.
Thanks.
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So dog breeders don't select animals to achieve a certain outcome? So it's all by chance and they are wasting their time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13501583


you're lost.
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I also have a pile of dead leaves and twigs in my front yard. I guarantee they won't turn into a human being in a few more billion years.
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Could one of you who doesn't believe in evolution please explain to me what horse breeders and dog breeders do for a living? Are they wasting their time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13501583


If you have 2 big dogs mate, the odds of getting big puppies increases. The big dogs didn't "evolve" from anything. Within the code of wolves, they could produce a terrier or a mastiff.
Just like humans can produce midgets or Shaq. Those are the parameters. Call me when we "evolve" to 500 foot beings.
Thanks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41721959


Did God create every species of dog?

Does he create every new species of dog?
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Could one of you who doesn't believe in evolution please explain to me what horse breeders and dog breeders do for a living? Are they wasting their time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13501583


If you have 2 big dogs mate, the odds of getting big puppies increases. The big dogs didn't "evolve" from anything. Within the code of wolves, they could produce a terrier or a mastiff.
Just like humans can produce midgets or Shaq. Those are the parameters. Call me when we "evolve" to 500 foot beings.
Thanks.
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So dog breeders don't select animals to achieve a certain outcome? So it's all by chance and they are wasting their time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13501583


you're lost.
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Maybe.

But you can't answer the question.
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I strongly disagree that people need an MS to argue against evolution. If they know what they're talking about and have the requisite intellectual abilities, their arguments will stand on their own.

The problem is that the intellectual abilities of Christians are immediately suspect, especially when they make an unexplained leap in logic from "intelligent design is real" to "the Christian God is real."
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Not a 'serious blow'.

The thing is that any problem discovered....science allows for the theory to be re-worked, adapted and ultimately become stronger.

The problem with creation theory is that it is static, it is religious dogma that can never be changed or adapted. It is the way it was written and that's that.

But hey if it works for you, its all good.
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You obviously have not studied Kabbalah. It blow Quantum Physics away and explains string theory. Even why words written on glasses of water will completely change the molecular structure of the water inside. Because letters are dimensions and are a way that the creator created to relate to our dimension, but there are at least 32 more dimensions. It even explains the seasons, the zodiacs, and so much more that it seems there's no way one could ever grasp the tip of the ice berg in this life time. But yeah... keep thinking we came from monkeys.... that'll help society....
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Why does it have to be evolution or creation? Can't both be right? Can't both be wrong?

I believe in God but I also believe life evolves. I also believe that Darwinian evolution - natural selection ,"survival of the fittest" - is pure bunk. Darwinism is an ideology not a sound scientific theory. The goal of living organisms is not survival but balance or, more precisely, to maintain homeostasis.
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Not a 'serious blow'.

The thing is that any problem discovered....science allows for the theory to be re-worked, adapted and ultimately become stronger.

The problem with creation theory is that it is static, it is religious dogma that can never be changed or adapted. It is the way it was written and that's that.

But hey if it works for you, its all good.
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You obviously have not studied Kabbalah. It blow Quantum Physics away and explains string theory. Even why words written on glasses of water will completely change the molecular structure of the water inside. Because letters are dimensions and are a way that the creator created to relate to our dimension, but there are at least 32 more dimensions. It even explains the seasons, the zodiacs, and so much more that it seems there's no way one could ever grasp the tip of the ice berg in this life time. But yeah... keep thinking we came from monkeys.... that'll help society....
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The Kabbalah is NOT from God.
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i saw and compared grains of sand to the function of my hand.
and it hit me like a bullet right between the eyes.
miraculous.
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Mutation and evolution are real, we can follow the genetic codes progression....

One can believe in God and I don't just believe it I know it! (I don't see how such a self evident fact can be ignored but whatever) and understand the process of evolution is part of God's living creation.

It is God Him/Herself that continuously animates the multiverse energetically, without God the Multiverse is naught.

This is getting to be a really silly argument and of course people will be rude to me...

Believe whatever you want.

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So I guess plagiarized passages of mythology beats evolution...
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Again, why do some Christians think that evolution is contrary to their God's plan?

Evolution does not say that life began by chance, actually we don't know exactly how life began on earth.

Even if carbon, hydrogen and oxygen did mix by chance it's inevitable arrangement creating life was guaranteed over a long period of time. You see, after a long period of time, the odds of simple elements combining into something organic increases.
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good vid...
but it still DOES NOT PROVE GOD.

bring me your god, show me your god, introduce me to your god, then i shall believe your god exists.

it really shouldnt be that difficult.
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Stop trying to disprove others belief systems...
That's not what Liberty is about.



I won't accept freedom of speech or another excuse... The Subject heading is obviously labeled as an insult and attack.

I believe in lots of what the bible and others say.
But If anyone magically proofed us out of Air it was extraterrestrials.
And anyone who thinks the world is only 5k yrs is just a lost cause at this point.

We have already brought back a number of species that many people don't know about (extinct ones). I say this to explain how we obviously have a god idea how evolution works.

Im not even against the idea of creationism; just maybe the version. Its always possible that we had both...
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But I meant to say.. Close minded is closes minded.. And passing this very ignorance on to our kids is a crime.
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Long time no see!

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the Fairytale of Evolution
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Seriously?
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Have you ever seen it happen?
Has anyone?
Can it be repeated?

What's the difference between evolution and Santa Claus?
We know what Santa Claus looks like.

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AMEN! The "Scientific Method" can't be used in evolutionary "science" LOLS!!!
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good vid...
but it still DOES NOT PROVE GOD.

bring me your god, show me your god, introduce me to your god, then i shall believe your god exists.

it really shouldnt be that difficult.
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It's not- but He has no need to prove Himself to His creation who should see evidence of His hand everywhere- Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.

So- Humble yourself, open a KJV, and ask God to reveal Himself to you. It worked for me and I was a virulently anti-Christian Wiccan evolutionist at the time. I didn't even WANT to become a Christian when He spoke to me. hf
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A human embryo goes through an amazing transformation in the first few weeks in the womb, from a single cell, to an amphibian like structure with gills and a tail, and finally into a human baby. This is a gradual process that seems to follow or at least resemble the path of what is considered evolution.

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