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EUKARYOTIC CELLS - A Devastating Blow For the Fairytale of Evolution

 
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Lisa,


5* and pin! oh and I'll throw you some karma in there too! Speaking of, I saw what you did with user apiratewithadd, and I followed suite, thanks for being a kind and generous person. I love Jesus so much and I know worrying is a sin BUT, I have so many people that I care about that are going to hell because they don't believe in Jesus, much less that He came, died and rose on the third day FOR OUR SINS!
 Quoting: SavedByGrace7


Worrying is a 'sin' now?

You honestly believe your friends/family are going to 'hell' for not having the same beliefs as you?

Please seek help.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


the best way to not woory about hell is to stop assuming hell is a bad place to start with.

Assumptions are good for things you have experianced and know.

But things you you beleive without knowing or having experianced , the assumptions blocks you from becoming more aware!
To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth!
The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be...
Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together!
your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you!
The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love!

The highest Purpose of our mind is the ability to Forget! Go on and Forgive yourself!
There is no love in truth but there is truth in love!
Be authentic, nobody else can do it for you!
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Evolutionists are invariably angry, driven individuals with little tolerance for anyone with a contra opinion. I dislike them they are misguided.
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If ignorance is bliss, you must be constantly in the throes of ecstasy.

I already addressed this with my initial cite, which you somehow managed to respond to without actually having read it.

"Deutsche Christen"

Look it up. For real this time, not just pretending.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


You didn't even use my whole quote, that shows everything about your agenda.


I gave you Hitler's quotes about Christianity and you still deny it! You are SO close minded...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33138908


These are not only closed minded folks, but insane fanatics. They will distort anything to further cement their primitive middle eastern beliefs.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Yes I am starting to see why you cannot argue with them, they cannot see any other option but their own small confined worldview.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33138908


The issue here is quite simple, we humans have limited knowledge, and we try to fill that void of knowledge with assumptions. Some people think that because there's a void of knowledge they can fill it with any outrageous, supernatural claim they fancy and then argue that as it's not possible to disprove their claims that then they must be correct. This is flawed thinking and by that logic anyone can claim any idiotic thing and argue that as we don't yet know everything that it could be within the realm of possibility. There's many unknown possibilities, but that doesn't mean that whatever some goat herding, desert dwelling tribe of primitives said automatically represents any of those possibilities. Whatever lies in the unknown has to be proven by evidence and until then it remains mere speculation. If that includes the theory of evolution so be it, but the difference is that science accepts adapting to newfound knowledge while dogma is stuck in its own unfounded faith based beliefs. The danger with fanaticism is that when given power, fanatics will seek to push their beliefs by intolerance and oppression, and this thread clearly shows these individuals still exist and crave for a chance to unleash their insanity onto the rest of us.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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What a lie.

The term "crusade" is derived from the French term for taking up the cross.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33138908


What an idiot.

The term "petite mal" is the French term for orgasm (it means "little death"), so the French must die every time they climax.

How do you morons actually function in the real world with so little critical thought capability?

Do you think a Ford Mustang runs on grass?
 Quoting: Professor Xavier
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You are so childish, ignorant and annoying:

Thus began the era of the Crusades, taken from the Latin word crux or cross
The Crusaders symbol was the cross
[link to www.leaderu.com]
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^ Believes Ford Mustangs run on gas cuz they're called Mustangs ^

lmao
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OK then... All the links I have found support the above theory

Now YOU post YOUR evidence
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What a lie.

The term "crusade" is derived from the French term for taking up the cross.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33138908


What an idiot.

The term "petite mal" is the French term for orgasm (it means "little death"), so the French must die every time they climax.

How do you morons actually function in the real world with so little critical thought capability?

Do you think a Ford Mustang runs on grass?
 Quoting: Professor Xavier
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You are so childish, ignorant and annoying:

Thus began the era of the Crusades, taken from the Latin word crux or cross
The Crusaders symbol was the cross
[link to www.leaderu.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33138908


^ Believes Ford Mustangs run on gas cuz they're called Mustangs ^

lmao
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


And you believe you can disregard any Christian group who doesn't fit your argument, well sorry but you can't have the cake and eat it too.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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You didn't even use my whole quote, that shows everything about your agenda.


I gave you Hitler's quotes about Christianity and you still deny it! You are SO close minded...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33138908


These are not only closed minded folks, but insane fanatics. They will distort anything to further cement their primitive middle eastern beliefs.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Yes I am starting to see why you cannot argue with them, they cannot see any other option but their own small confined worldview.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33138908


The issue here is quite simple, we humans have limited knowledge, and we try to fill that void of knowledge with assumptions. Some people think that because there's a void of knowledge they can fill it with any outrageous, supernatural claim they fancy and then argue that as it's not possible to disprove their claims that then they must be correct. This is flawed thinking and by that logic anyone can claim any idiotic thing and argue that as we don't yet know everything that it could be within the realm of possibility. There's many unknown possibilities, but that doesn't mean that whatever some goat herding, desert dwelling tribe of primitives said automatically represents any of those possibilities. Whatever lies in the unknown has to be proven by evidence and until then it remains mere speculation. If that includes the theory of evolution so be it, but the difference is that science accepts adapting to newfound knowledge while dogma is stuck in its own unfounded faith based beliefs. The danger with fanaticism is that when given power, fanatics will seek to push their beliefs by intolerance and oppression, and this thread clearly shows these individuals still exist and crave for a chance to unleash their insanity onto the rest of us.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Thank you for that excellent comment. This childish, obnoxious individual we are wasting our time on really DOES think its impossible to disprove his fantasy. He is in a wonderland of ignorance to not only history but to other religions.
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Be careful there, Hon. Yes, I feel inspired by the love of Jesus. That's why I've made 1000 posts on prepping in order to be a servant to the GLP community. That doesn't mean that Jesus Himself put ideas in my head. That borders on pride and on a personal stamp of approval from our Lord and Savior. Don't be brash, for such ideas can make you think that whatever you say is direct communication from Jesus. That would make you a modern day prophet and certainly subject to scrutiny.

I know you mean well, but I wouldn't make such claims.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid


Hearing and obedience does not equal pride. You're speaking about something that you don't know, that is....my personal relationship with the Lord.

Have a great day.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I think may be he is a hybrid. Neither warm nor hot.
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Hearing and obedience does not equal pride. You're speaking about something that you don't know, that is....my personal relationship with the Lord.

Have a great day.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I think may be he is a hybrid. Neither warm nor hot.
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Ok you know what I mean
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OK then... All the links I have found support the above theory

Now YOU post YOUR evidence
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I'm sorry, I can't supply any links to support any theories.

All I did was cite a single fact.

Would you like me to re-cite that fact for you?

It's on page 5 of this thread. Not page 4, not page 6 (which you'd apparently need both hands to count to), but page 5:

Thread: EUKARYOTIC CELLS - A Devastating Blow For the Fairytale of Evolution (Page 5)

See if you can spot the fact.

Can you see it?

It's a fact.

Do you like facts?

You can look up facts. Facts are stronger proofs of assertions than theories. Theories are fun and interesting, but they are not facts.

This is a theory: "Hitler was a Christian"

It's a fun theory, but it's not very challenging for even the most marginally-capable ape-descendant.

This is a fact: "Hitler followed a made-up anti-Semitic fiction that called itself 'Deutsche Christen'".

This is a good fact, because it's true. Theories can be true or false. Facts can only be true.

Can you see a fact in your room right now?

baby
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No, the fact is that there's not one single christian current of thought that can be claimed to be the only one to be valid. If Hitler adapted his own version of Christianity, he was still a Christian, he just belonged to yet one more denomination of the many that exist within Christianity. And you are no one to say which denomination is valid and which isn't.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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OK then... All the links I have found support the above theory

Now YOU post YOUR evidence
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I'm sorry, I can't supply any links to support any theories.

All I did was cite a single fact.

Would you like me to re-cite that fact for you?

It's on page 5 of this thread. Not page 4, not page 6 (which you'd apparently need both hands to count to), but page 5:

Thread: EUKARYOTIC CELLS - A Devastating Blow For the Fairytale of Evolution (Page 5)

See if you can spot the fact.

Can you see it?

It's a fact.

Do you like facts?

You can look up facts. Facts are stronger proofs of assertions than theories. Theories are fun and interesting, but they are not facts.

This is a theory: "Hitler was a Christian"

It's a fun theory, but it's not very challenging for even the most marginally-capable ape-descendant.

This is a fact: "Hitler followed a made-up anti-Semitic fiction that called itself 'Deutsche Christen'".

This is a good fact, because it's true. Theories can be true or false. Facts can only be true.

Can you see a fact in your room right now?

baby
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So I asked you for a link about the Crusades to support your, now obvious, lie and you changed the subject back to Hitler...


You are not firing on all cylinders...
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And you believe you can disregard any Christian group who doesn't fit your argument, well sorry but you can't have the cake and eat it too.
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No, I believe I can disregard any non-Christian group who calls themselves Christian for the sake of appealing to authority, because they are engaged in a ruse.

How about you?

If someone was in a garage and called himself a car, would you demand everyone recognize him as a car?
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


This is a fallacy, if we could only call Christian to those who adhered strictly to Christian precepts we couldn't call anyone a Christian because there's no consensus on what pure Christianity consists of; and even if we'd agree on one of the many denominations still it would be hard to find someone who didn't stray from their own particular view on Christianity at least once in their lives. So we must conclude that Christianity has taken many historical forms throughout history, that not all of these may have adhered to your particular view of christianity but they were nonetheless forms of Christianity and can't be called any other way than as such.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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So I asked you for a link about the Crusades to support your, now obvious, lie and you changed the subject back to Hitler...


You are not firing on all cylinders...
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...says the guy who insists Ford Mustangs run on grass, cuz they're called Mustangs.

Isn't just the slightest, slimmest glimmer of recognition dawning inside that little simian brain case yet?

Nothing at all?
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


You are only making a fool of yourself, and it is obvious that you are failing to argue like an adult when you reduce yourself to petty insults as I sit here waiting for you to support your failed argument with actual links.
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Dont be stupid, god and evolution are not mutually exclusive concepts.

If you don't see ANY evidence of evolution, you are not doing your homework.
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The best evidence of what random mutation is capable of doing is from the observational studies of HIV, malaria and E. coli. What we see in these cases is not evolution, but rather devolution.

Michael Behe (I know, he is on the blacklist) explains all of this in his book The Edge of Evolution. Some of his conclusions:

"...In just the past fifty years nature herself has ruthlessly conducted the biological equivlaent of the Michelson-Morley experiment. Call it the M-H (malaria-HIV experiment. With a billion times the firepower of the puny labs that humans run, the M-H experiment has scoured the planet looking for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to build coherent biological machinery and has found absolutely nothing.

Why no trace of the fabled blind watchmaker? The simplest explanation is that, like the ether, the blind watchmaker does not exist...

...Time has always figured prominently in Darwinian explanations. Although few changes can be noticed in our own age, Darwinists say, over vast stretches of geological time imperceptible modifications of life can add up to profound ones. It's no wonder that we don't see much coherent variation going on in the biology of our everyday world - evolutionary processes are so slow that a human lifetime is like a moment. The work on malaria and HIV upon which I base much of the argument for the edge of evolution has mostly been done in the last fifty years. So how can it tell us anything reliable about what could happen over millions or even billions of years?

Time is actually not the chief factor in evolution - population numbers are. In calculating how quickly a beneficial mutation might appear, evolutionary biologists multiply the mutation rate by the population size...

The numbers of malaria cells and HIV in just the past fifty years have probably greatly surpassed the number of mammals that have lived on the earth in the past several hundred million years. So the evolutionary behavior of the pathogens in even such a short time as a half century gives us a clear indication of what can happen with larger organisms over enormous time spans. The fact that no new cellular protein-protein interactions were fashioned, that mutations were incoherent, that changes in only a few genes were able to help, and that those changes were only relatively (not absolutely) beneficial - all that gives us strong reason to expect the same for large organisms over longer times...

...Over the past decade E. coli has been the subject of the most extensive laboratory evolution study ever conducted…Over the course of the whole experiment, perhaps ten trillion, 10^13, E. coli have been produced. Although that sounds like a lot, it’s virtually nothing compared to the number of malarial cells that have infested the earth. In the past fifty years there have been about a billion times as many of those as E. coli in the Michigan lab, which makes the study less valuable than our data on malaria.

Nonetheless, the E. coli work has pointed in the same general direction. The lab bacteria performed much like the wild pathogens: A host of incoherent changes have slightly altered pre-existing systems. Nothing fundamentally new has been produced. No new protein-protein interactions, no new molecular machines. As with thalassemia in humans, some large evolutionary advantages have been conferred by breaking things. Several populations of bacteria lost their ability to repair DNA. One of the most beneficial mutations, seen repeatedly in separate cultures, was the bacterium’s loss of the ability to make a sugar called ribose, which is a component of RNA. Another was a change in a regulatory gene called spoT, which affected en masse how fifty-nine other genes work, either increasing or decreasing their activity. One likely explanation for the net good effect of this very blunt mutation is that it turned off the energetically costly genes that make the bacterial flagellum, saving the cell some energy. Breaking some genes and turning others off, however, won’t make much of anything. After a while, beneficial changes from the experiment petered out. The fact that malaria, with a billion fold more chances, gave a pattern very similar to the more modest studies on E. coli strongly suggests that that’s all Darwinism can do....

...Until an organism is found that is demonstrated to be much more adept than the malarial parasite at building coherent molecular machinery by random mutation and natural selection, there is no positive reason to believe it can be done. And the best evidence we have from malaria and HIV argues that it is biologically unreasonable to think so...

...What we know from the best evolutionary data available is compatible with not even a single kind of specific, beneficial, cellular protein-protein interaction evolving in a Darwinian (random) fashion in the history of life...

...Somewhere between the level of vertebrate species and class lies the organismal edge of Darwinian (random) evolution...

...The major architectural features of life - molecular machinery, cells, genetic circuitry, and probably more - are purposely designed. But the architectural constraints leave spandrels that can be filled with Darwinian adaptations...."
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This video proves absolutely nothing. These videos are all the same. They use great big complex explanations of things like cellular activity to try and make the point that this HAD to be a creation because it's just simply too complex for it to be evolution.

Btw, most fairy tales come from books, and the bible is no exception.
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the faith required to believe the world was built by a blind watchmaker (evolution) is greater than the faith of belief in the Bible.
For an "evolved" creature mankind is a pretty sorry example.
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So I asked you for a link about the Crusades to support your, now obvious, lie and you changed the subject back to Hitler...


You are not firing on all cylinders...
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...says the guy who insists Ford Mustangs run on grass, cuz they're called Mustangs.

Isn't just the slightest, slimmest glimmer of recognition dawning inside that little simian brain case yet?

Nothing at all?
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


You are only making a fool of yourself, and it is obvious that you are failing to argue like an adult when you reduce yourself to petty insults as I sit here waiting for you to support your failed argument with actual links.
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So, "no" then.
Nothing at all.

Wow.
How many times did you have to repeat 1st grade?
Never mind.

Let's try something even more basic and simple.
But first, for the record, why is someone who is arguing in favor of simian ancestry insulted when I quote his argument in favor of simian ancestry? Anyway...

I asked you (or whichever one of you AC meatsacks it was), several times, to cite where in the New Testament (any language or dialect is acceptable - Aramaic, classical Greek, even King James English if you wish) the behavior exhibited in the Crusades is either mandated, encouraged, allowed, or even not prohibited.

You get one shot at this.

At least try. Just guess if you have to. Leaving your paper blank like you've been doing means Summer School for you.

Again.
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Quit changing the subject and avoiding my request for a link.
Why do you refuse to cough up any links? Is it because you are not telling the truth?

You know I am not arguing as to whether the Crusades were ordered by the bible or not- that was not the point. The point was that Christianity is as much a cause of mass atrocities as your example of atheist atrocities. Or did you just want to send that argument in another direction to avoid facing that fact?
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Actually, the Miller-Urey experiments do prove that compounds in the atmosphere could have reacted with heat and then rain
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Quantum mechanics proves that Lime Flavoured Jello could spontaneously transmute into Uranium.

Are you going to build a reactor with a Jello core and wait for your proof to materialize?
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Your comments are by far the best stuff I've read here in a long time.......

afro
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...says the guy who insists Ford Mustangs run on grass, cuz they're called Mustangs.

Isn't just the slightest, slimmest glimmer of recognition dawning inside that little simian brain case yet?

Nothing at all?
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


You are only making a fool of yourself, and it is obvious that you are failing to argue like an adult when you reduce yourself to petty insults as I sit here waiting for you to support your failed argument with actual links.
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So, "no" then.
Nothing at all.

Wow.
How many times did you have to repeat 1st grade?
Never mind.

Let's try something even more basic and simple.
But first, for the record, why is someone who is arguing in favor of simian ancestry insulted when I quote his argument in favor of simian ancestry? Anyway...

I asked you (or whichever one of you AC meatsacks it was), several times, to cite where in the New Testament (any language or dialect is acceptable - Aramaic, classical Greek, even King James English if you wish) the behavior exhibited in the Crusades is either mandated, encouraged, allowed, or even not prohibited.

You get one shot at this.

At least try. Just guess if you have to. Leaving your paper blank like you've been doing means Summer School for you.

Again.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier



Quit changing the subject and avoiding my request for a link.
Why do you refuse to cough up any links? Is it because you are not telling the truth?

You know I am not arguing as to whether the Crusades were ordered by the bible or not- that was not the point. The point was that Christianity is as much a cause of mass atrocities as your example of atheist atrocities. Or did you just want to send that argument in another direction to avoid facing that fact?
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And not just Christianity, but many religions in general have had their share of abuses.

My own husband was touched inappropriately by a Catholic Priest as a child, and do you know what they did? They moved him to another church district due to a "series of complaints".
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Ah yes the spin doctors of religion once more try to evoke a high power that clearly isn't there. Won't be long till the action of taking a shit will be blessed action from the power on most high. Sorry folks I don't buy this presentation brought by hoaxers.

Oh and remember sheep...

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“You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go...”
― Dr. Seuss, Oh, the Places You'll Go!

Make a regular practice of Miswak for verily it is the purification for the mouth and a means of the pleasure of the Lord. Wait! What?? Islam the oral jihads handbook pg 12.
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And you believe you can disregard any Christian group who doesn't fit your argument, well sorry but you can't have the cake and eat it too.
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No, I believe I can disregard any non-Christian group who calls themselves Christian for the sake of appealing to authority, because they are engaged in a ruse.

How about you?

If someone was in a garage and called himself a car, would you demand everyone recognize him as a car?
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


This is a fallacy, if we could only call Christian to those who adhered strictly to Christian precepts we couldn't call anyone a Christian because there's no consensus on what pure Christianity consists of; and even if we'd agree on one of the many denominations still it would be hard to find someone who didn't stray from their own particular view on Christianity at least once in their lives. So we must conclude that Christianity has taken many historical forms throughout history, that not all of these may have adhered to your particular view of christianity but they were nonetheless forms of Christianity and can't be called any other way than as such.
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That's a valid statement.
It is, however, misleading in this context.
We don't need to define what the totality of Christianity is in order to be able to define what it is not.

This is set theory and the identity principle.

A thing is what it is regardless of label.
The intersection of Christianity and, for example, Catholicism is an overlapping region. It is not, however, a union.
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Finally a decent post from you, instead of your typical condescending BS.

Anyway your rebuttal still leaves much to be desired. According to you who can be considered a Christian then? And by the way, by that same logic, why would you claim that Atheism leads to genocide as you did before? Where does atheism mandates to commit genocide? It doesn't, yet certain atheistic regimes have commited genocide, and the fact that they did doesn't make them any less atheistic, just as the fact that some Christian denominations have strayed from certain precepts of the New Testament doesn't make them any less Christian; it just makes them Christians who strayed from the commandments of their holy books, a very frequent human behavior when considering religion.

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And you believe you can disregard any Christian group who doesn't fit your argument, well sorry but you can't have the cake and eat it too.
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No, I believe I can disregard any non-Christian group who calls themselves Christian for the sake of appealing to authority, because they are engaged in a ruse.

How about you?

If someone was in a garage and called himself a car, would you demand everyone recognize him as a car?
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Just because something isn't yet explained by science, doesn't immediately mean it's intelligent design. Hell not too long ago, before Issac Newton discovered it, people thought it was the hand of god that kept the moon in orbit. But now we know it's this thing called gravity.

You can't have the mindset of: "because i don't understand it, it must be god's doing"

People that think this way are delaying the advance of society.
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Evolution is a time tested hypothesis that has stood its ground for over a 100 years now.
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Creation is a time tested truth that has stood its ground for over 10,000 years now.

There, fixed it for ya.

We win!
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One flaw of this video is a big assumption that an evolution proponents are necessarily atheistic.

I agree with the video in that it is a fantasy to think that evolution proves in any way that God doesn't exist.

Not all scientists who study or are proponents of the theory of evolution are atheists, some do believe in an intelligent design.

But there is a major problem with evolutionary theorists using their ideas in an attempt to prove atheism. A lot of atheists are also evolutionists, so the literature is biased toward the theory of evolution to include the concept of "chance" rather than "intelligent design."

There are several camps of ideas, for example:

Evolution by chance

Evolution by intelligent design

Natural selection and intelligent design

Creationists
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Quit changing the subject and avoiding my request for a link.
Why do you refuse to cough up any links? Is it because you are not telling the truth?

You know I am not arguing as to whether the Crusades were ordered by the bible or not- that was not the point. The point was that Christianity is as much a cause of mass atrocities as your example of atheist atrocities. Or did you just want to send that argument in another direction to avoid facing that fact?
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And with far more patience than you deserve, I've invited you, pleaded with you, to back up your assertion.

You see, I can't argue against a non-sequitur, and that's all you've offered.

All I'm asking is that you cite any proof that Christianity is actually responsible for atrocities.

How about for 1 atrocity?

How about "could be theoretically responsible" for 1 atrocity?

Can you finally cite your assertion, please, so that we may finally get to my counter point?

Thanks in advance,
PX
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Again if Christian Europe can't be attributed for atrocities merely because they weren't following the New Testament strictly, then who can be called a Christian? Who can claim to follow Christianity strictly without faltering throughout their entire lives? According to your premise, no one could ever be called a Chrisitian, yet this is a flawed argument and any historian would laugh at your justifications, even Christian scholars would disregard your idiocy as it's well established that Christian Rome and then Christian Europe commited vast atrocities under the banner of Christendom.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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Quit changing the subject and avoiding my request for a link.
Why do you refuse to cough up any links? Is it because you are not telling the truth?

You know I am not arguing as to whether the Crusades were ordered by the bible or not- that was not the point. The point was that Christianity is as much a cause of mass atrocities as your example of atheist atrocities. Or did you just want to send that argument in another direction to avoid facing that fact?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33138908


And with far more patience than you deserve, I've invited you, pleaded with you, to back up your assertion.

You see, I can't argue against a non-sequitur, and that's all you've offered.

All I'm asking is that you cite any proof that Christianity is actually responsible for atrocities.

How about for 1 atrocity?

How about "could be theoretically responsible" for 1 atrocity?

Can you finally cite your assertion, please, so that we may finally get to my counter point?

Thanks in advance,
PX
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I posted links about Hitler, showing he went to church, he felt that the Jews needed to be punished for killing Jesus, he had called himself a Christian

I posted a link about the Crusades being for the will of God, according to those who carried out the plans.

Cause of the Crusades - "It is the will of God"
"When Jesus Christ summons you to his defence," exclaimed the eloquent pontiff, "let no base affection detain you in your homes; whoever will abandon his house, or his father, or his mother, or his wife, or his children, or his inheritance, for the sake of my name, shall be recompensed a hundred-fold, and possess life eternal." Here the enthusiasm of the vast assembly burst through every restraint. With one voice they cried, "Dieu le volt! Dieu le volt!" meaning "It is the will of God! It is the will of God!" Thousands immediately affixed the cross to their garments as a pledge of their sacred engagement to go forth to the rescue of the Holy Sepulchre. The fifteenth day of August of the following year (1096) was set for the departure of the expedition - the Crusades had begun.

[link to www.middle-ages.org.uk]


So are you saying these people were indeed delusional religious extremists and they don't "count"... yet the delusional atheist somehow still counted?

LOL
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Just because something isn't yet explained by science, doesn't immediately mean it's intelligent design. Hell not too long ago, before Issac Newton discovered it, people thought it was the hand of god that kept the moon in orbit. But now we know it's this thing called gravity.

You can't have the mindset of: "because i don't understand it, it must be god's doing"

People that think this way are delaying the advance of society.
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The fact that humanity has limited knowledge about the universe it inhabits doesn't give anyone a right to make fanciful claims merely because they cannot be proven false. To be able to argue about something as real it has to be first proved irrefutably to be real, otherwise it can only be entertained as speculative possibility.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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Quit changing the subject and avoiding my request for a link.
Why do you refuse to cough up any links? Is it because you are not telling the truth?

You know I am not arguing as to whether the Crusades were ordered by the bible or not- that was not the point. The point was that Christianity is as much a cause of mass atrocities as your example of atheist atrocities. Or did you just want to send that argument in another direction to avoid facing that fact?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33138908


And with far more patience than you deserve, I've invited you, pleaded with you, to back up your assertion.

You see, I can't argue against a non-sequitur, and that's all you've offered.

All I'm asking is that you cite any proof that Christianity is actually responsible for atrocities.

How about for 1 atrocity?

How about "could be theoretically responsible" for 1 atrocity?

Can you finally cite your assertion, please, so that we may finally get to my counter point?

Thanks in advance,
PX
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I posted links about Hitler, showing he went to church, he felt that the Jews needed to be punished for killing Jesus, he had called himself a Christian

I posted a link about the Crusades being for the will of God, according to those who carried out the plans.

Cause of the Crusades - "It is the will of God"
"When Jesus Christ summons you to his defence," exclaimed the eloquent pontiff, "let no base affection detain you in your homes; whoever will abandon his house, or his father, or his mother, or his wife, or his children, or his inheritance, for the sake of my name, shall be recompensed a hundred-fold, and possess life eternal." Here the enthusiasm of the vast assembly burst through every restraint. With one voice they cried, "Dieu le volt! Dieu le volt!" meaning "It is the will of God! It is the will of God!" Thousands immediately affixed the cross to their garments as a pledge of their sacred engagement to go forth to the rescue of the Holy Sepulchre. The fifteenth day of August of the following year (1096) was set for the departure of the expedition - the Crusades had begun.

[link to www.middle-ages.org.uk]


So are you saying these people were indeed delusional religious extremists and they don't "count"... yet the delusional atheist somehow still counted?

LOL
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And of course OP is not a loon even when she is claiming to channel Jesus himself, even when such thing would be declared heresy by many Christian denominations. But these things doesn't matter when one uses selective criteria that distort facts to suit one's own line of argument, regardless of logic, reason or evidence.

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"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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Quit changing the subject and avoiding my request for a link.
Why do you refuse to cough up any links? Is it because you are not telling the truth?

You know I am not arguing as to whether the Crusades were ordered by the bible or not- that was not the point. The point was that Christianity is as much a cause of mass atrocities as your example of atheist atrocities. Or did you just want to send that argument in another direction to avoid facing that fact?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33138908


And with far more patience than you deserve, I've invited you, pleaded with you, to back up your assertion.

You see, I can't argue against a non-sequitur, and that's all you've offered.

All I'm asking is that you cite any proof that Christianity is actually responsible for atrocities.

How about for 1 atrocity?

How about "could be theoretically responsible" for 1 atrocity?

Can you finally cite your assertion, please, so that we may finally get to my counter point?

Thanks in advance,
PX
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I posted links about Hitler, showing he went to church, he felt that the Jews needed to be punished for killing Jesus, he had called himself a Christian

I posted a link about the Crusades being for the will of God, according to those who carried out the plans.

Cause of the Crusades - "It is the will of God"
"When Jesus Christ summons you to his defence," exclaimed the eloquent pontiff, "let no base affection detain you in your homes; whoever will abandon his house, or his father, or his mother, or his wife, or his children, or his inheritance, for the sake of my name, shall be recompensed a hundred-fold, and possess life eternal." Here the enthusiasm of the vast assembly burst through every restraint. With one voice they cried, "Dieu le volt! Dieu le volt!" meaning "It is the will of God! It is the will of God!" Thousands immediately affixed the cross to their garments as a pledge of their sacred engagement to go forth to the rescue of the Holy Sepulchre. The fifteenth day of August of the following year (1096) was set for the departure of the expedition - the Crusades had begun.

[link to www.middle-ages.org.uk]


So are you saying these people were indeed delusional religious extremists and they don't "count"... yet the delusional atheist somehow still counted?

LOL
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And of course OP is not a loon even when she is claiming to channel Jesus himself, even when such thing would be declared heresy by many Christian denominations. But these things doesn't matter when one uses selective criteria that distort facts to suit one's own line of argument, regardless of logic, reason or evidence.
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Consider it a miracle that you're still posting here.
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Actually, the Miller-Urey experiments do prove that compounds in the atmosphere could have reacted with heat and then rain
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Quantum mechanics proves that Lime Flavoured Jello could spontaneously transmute into Uranium.

Are you going to build a reactor with a Jello core and wait for your proof to materialize?
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Your comments are by far the best stuff I've read here in a long time.......


What the fuck are you talking about? This experiment was actually performed in a fucking lab you fucking moron. The proof was already there that the substances found in the fucking water constitutes the very building blocks of life.

Also where the fuck does it say that jello can transmute into fucking uranium.

Every fucking thread you start is like this. We give you links with actually scientific data and you give us fucking quotes from over 2000 years ago.

Here's the link.
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