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Illuminati Exposed - Ex-32 Degree Freemason Says the 33rd Degree is the Illuminati

 
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So fucking annoying! All these "knowledge" just to create a system where people can be black-mailed for liking to eat shit, fuck little children, be fisted in the ass.

All, of course, in their very verenated "mystical" affectation!

The fucking criminal dirty murderous fags.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


You've been Jones and Icked, lol...

:Mr Icke:

Just Jones, Icke I, (instead of FYI) = People used to fuck, burn and eat children MUCH, MUCH more in the past than happens now.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


"Know it all", I was a phone-sex operator for 2,5 years.

I know - as in Gnosis - what I AM "talking" about.

Why do you think black-mail works so much?

For them praying on their knees for a God above their dirty criminal selves?
 Quoting: TruthMinion


If you knew anything about ORDO AB CHAO or the ENDS JUSTIFIES THE MEANS, you would know that in order to get things done, shit gets a bit dirty at times.

You were a gay sex phone operator.....Is your name Tommy or Peter?


 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


LOL !!! funny Moe, This sure was my laugh of the day...
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LOL, Do you write comedy? When did I mention the Catholic church? I meant the Judaic religions more per se. And to clarify, the Original Judaic and Christian beliefs DID teach reincarnation.
Ive been watching you and have been noticing that your education comes from Google.. Its going to take much more than google to show us what youve got.

Now regarding your comment on humanity being a degraded state away from reality. It is a true teaching contrary to what you believe. A study of Greek and Hebrew would be helpful. You know what Hamartia means? It is greek word for "sin" which means missing the Mark.
We "missed" the mark in our genetic makeup "DNA" and we are born the way we are..we were born unto original sin. We are guilty from the get go.
Adam and Eve and the Serpent was a hidden allegory to a genetic lineage. You do know were not all from the same place right? Can you guess the ultimate secret? Hint : (Clay and Iron)

Lets move onto Christianity now. Want to know why Jesus died on "the cross" ? In Astrology, square 90 degree angles are very tense Its a marker of squaring off unlike energies that this revolutionary young Jewish man did. He faced off on the Government and Pharisee and Sanhedrin conspiracies going on back then. They were amassing money and allowing prostitution on temple grounds, things had gotten corrupt.
He introduced new age ideas, a return to accountability and conscience. and introduced a revolution.

You know what the Illuminati are here for? Were here to make God Men. God Men are different then the Superbowl watching, porn wanking, 60-100 year lifespans that youre used to. We are born profane, but we will end up as God Men, immortal.

We have much more higher ideals. The Illuminati have never been more than 2,000 members? lol

How bout you move your education beyond Google, and then we'lll talk.
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You can see the guy is full of it because of his hair style.

lol
Put a lion in a cage for years without food and watch what happens.
Its appetite will of cause grow and grow, and then you point your finger at its hunger?
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Hey it's nice to have some of us here in one place, the GLP Frat House :)

It's doesn't matter if we all come from the same place just that we share and contribute and that feeds us new insights.

I see some squabbling and that really should not take place, let go of ego and discuss.

No one has all the answers and we can share and hopefully come to best conclusions or agree to disagree.

Fraternity, frienship, sharing and helping...

Nice to have you all here, Thanks KTTV,

Frater
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Words and Words and circles within and without circles...

I know this:

It is the central bankers and the myriad of corporations that spring up around them that are TPTB. Builderburgers, Trilateral Commision, CFR etc...

Various Fraternities are just that and generally promote higher values and some even High knowledge and some even Sacred High Magic. I'm well aware where High Masons go who are seeking the spiritual path.

These "illuminating" fraternities are nothing to fear though I grant not every member of every fraternitie is going to be the nicest of people but it is rather the dark cabal who wallow in their filthy money that ruin the planet that we need to worry about.

Their may be a few dark fraternities, we've all heard the name skull and bones for example...

Frater

PS And yes, Knight Templar is a priesthood and they perform a Catholic style Christian eucharistic mass. I've attended. Not much use for riding around on horses cutting peoples heads off these daze :)

Best Wishes
 Quoting: Frater


Hi Frater and thanks for adding to the discussion.

I agree, but isn't it all ORDO AB CHAO and the ends justifies the means in order to eventually have a heavenly homeland or a Golden Age or has that dream been thrown away
because our current rulers want permanent hell on earth?
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV



Hi KTTV,

You know, I don't really know. That whole "Order out of Chaos" and ends justifying the means is much more a PTB thing, I don't run into it in any of the Orders and/or Fraternities and it's pretty appaling really. I cannot say those ideas are not written SOMEWHERE in all the various texts of all the various Fraternities but it's definitely not a theme in any of my circles.

I have said many time that I am not a Mason but travel in higher circles and although some overlap may occur, I am a Rosicrucian.

I know, Albert Pike... I have a 1948 copy of Morals and Dogma on my lap, ancient, wow, 65 years old and it smells it! LOL. The real esoteric version. On the first page it says in big bold letters:

"ESOTERIC BOOK, FOR SCOTTISH RITE USE ONLY; TO BE RETURNED UPON WITHDRAWAL OR DEATH OF RECIPIENT.

Well I guess that guy failed to return it LOL and I don't think they would care if I have it. I have mentioned it to a few of them and they didn't ask for it back.

But back to Pike, I have to say other than the rather ominous reference to WW3 and the very controversial referance to Lucifer (which He nor I equate with Satan) the rest of the book is an awesome referance.

I think I'm getting a little off topic or maybe never got right on it LOL.

Anyway, cool thread, Thanks.

Best Wishes

Frater
 Quoting: Frater


Frater, Ordo Ab Chao is the 33rd degree of the Scottish Rite.

Ordo is Saturn btw, and Chao is Saturn being rebirthed out of the waters of Yesod.
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Words and Words and circles within and without circles...

I know this:

It is the central bankers and the myriad of corporations that spring up around them that are TPTB. Builderburgers, Trilateral Commision, CFR etc...

Various Fraternities are just that and generally promote higher values and some even High knowledge and some even Sacred High Magic. I'm well aware where High Masons go who are seeking the spiritual path.

These "illuminating" fraternities are nothing to fear though I grant not every member of every fraternitie is going to be the nicest of people but it is rather the dark cabal who wallow in their filthy money that ruin the planet that we need to worry about.

Their may be a few dark fraternities, we've all heard the name skull and bones for example...

Frater

PS And yes, Knight Templar is a priesthood and they perform a Catholic style Christian eucharistic mass. I've attended. Not much use for riding around on horses cutting peoples heads off these daze :)

Best Wishes
 Quoting: Frater


Hi Frater and thanks for adding to the discussion.

I agree, but isn't it all ORDO AB CHAO and the ends justifies the means in order to eventually have a heavenly homeland or a Golden Age or has that dream been thrown away
because our current rulers want permanent hell on earth?
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV



Hi KTTV,

You know, I don't really know. That whole "Order out of Chaos" and ends justifying the means is much more a PTB thing, I don't run into it in any of the Orders and/or Fraternities and it's pretty appaling really. I cannot say those ideas are not written SOMEWHERE in all the various texts of all the various Fraternities but it's definitely not a theme in any of my circles.

I have said many time that I am not a Mason but travel in higher circles and although some overlap may occur, I am a Rosicrucian.

I know, Albert Pike... I have a 1948 copy of Morals and Dogma on my lap, ancient, wow, 65 years old and it smells it! LOL. The real esoteric version. On the first page it says in big bold letters:

"ESOTERIC BOOK, FOR SCOTTISH RITE USE ONLY; TO BE RETURNED UPON WITHDRAWAL OR DEATH OF RECIPIENT.

Well I guess that guy failed to return it LOL and I don't think they would care if I have it. I have mentioned it to a few of them and they didn't ask for it back.

But back to Pike, I have to say other than the rather ominous reference to WW3 and the very controversial referance to Lucifer (which He nor I equate with Satan) the rest of the book is an awesome referance.

I think I'm getting a little off topic or maybe never got right on it LOL.

Anyway, cool thread, Thanks.

Best Wishes

Frater
 Quoting: Frater


My pleasure and again, thanks for adding your wisdom to this most important thread because it is people like you, Apollo and others who make it cool ;)

No, you are not off topic at all. My understanding is that the Rosicrucians are essentially a Christian based and possibly Catholic organization. Is that true?
Regards,

Moe

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Hey it's nice to have some of us here in one place, the GLP Frat House :)

It's doesn't matter if we all come from the same place just that we share and contribute and that feeds us new insights.

I see some squabbling and that really should not take place, let go of ego and discuss.

No one has all the answers and we can share and hopefully come to best conclusions or agree to disagree.

Fraternity, frienship, sharing and helping...

Nice to have you all here, Thanks KTTV,

Frater
 Quoting: Frater


I agree good brother

word

and lets work together to keep it that way. This thread I see growing rather large and I will do my best to keep detractors/shills out of the discussion. Those people out there who wish to add light and be civil are invited and more than welcome to share
Regards,

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Words and Words and circles within and without circles...

I know this:

It is the central bankers and the myriad of corporations that spring up around them that are TPTB. Builderburgers, Trilateral Commision, CFR etc...

Various Fraternities are just that and generally promote higher values and some even High knowledge and some even Sacred High Magic. I'm well aware where High Masons go who are seeking the spiritual path.

These "illuminating" fraternities are nothing to fear though I grant not every member of every fraternitie is going to be the nicest of people but it is rather the dark cabal who wallow in their filthy money that ruin the planet that we need to worry about.

Their may be a few dark fraternities, we've all heard the name skull and bones for example...

Frater

PS And yes, Knight Templar is a priesthood and they perform a Catholic style Christian eucharistic mass. I've attended. Not much use for riding around on horses cutting peoples heads off these daze :)

Best Wishes
 Quoting: Frater


Hi Frater and thanks for adding to the discussion.

I agree, but isn't it all ORDO AB CHAO and the ends justifies the means in order to eventually have a heavenly homeland or a Golden Age or has that dream been thrown away
because our current rulers want permanent hell on earth?
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV



Hi KTTV,

You know, I don't really know. That whole "Order out of Chaos" and ends justifying the means is much more a PTB thing, I don't run into it in any of the Orders and/or Fraternities and it's pretty appaling really. I cannot say those ideas are not written SOMEWHERE in all the various texts of all the various Fraternities but it's definitely not a theme in any of my circles.

I have said many time that I am not a Mason but travel in higher circles and although some overlap may occur, I am a Rosicrucian.

I know, Albert Pike... I have a 1948 copy of Morals and Dogma on my lap, ancient, wow, 65 years old and it smells it! LOL. The real esoteric version. On the first page it says in big bold letters:

"ESOTERIC BOOK, FOR SCOTTISH RITE USE ONLY; TO BE RETURNED UPON WITHDRAWAL OR DEATH OF RECIPIENT.

Well I guess that guy failed to return it LOL and I don't think they would care if I have it. I have mentioned it to a few of them and they didn't ask for it back.

But back to Pike, I have to say other than the rather ominous reference to WW3 and the very controversial referance to Lucifer (which He nor I equate with Satan) the rest of the book is an awesome referance.

I think I'm getting a little off topic or maybe never got right on it LOL.

Anyway, cool thread, Thanks.

Best Wishes

Frater
 Quoting: Frater


Frater, Ordo Ab Chao is the 33rd degree of the Scottish Rite.

Ordo is Saturn btw, and Chao is Saturn being rebirthed out of the waters of Yesod.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


Ahhh, Now that I get, see, Here we have a Mason.

Thanks Appolo, I do love your stuff, wish you were around more.

Happy Imbolc! And Happy Saturn Gone Direct!

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You've been Jones and Icked, lol...

Mr Icke

Just Jones, Icke I, (instead of FYI) = People used to fuck, burn and eat children MUCH, MUCH more in the past than happens now.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


"Know it all", I was a phone-sex operator for 2,5 years.

I know - as in Gnosis - what I AM "talking" about.

Why do you think black-mail works so much?

For them praying on their knees for a God above their dirty criminal selves?
 Quoting: TruthMinion


If you knew anything about ORDO AB CHAO or the ENDS JUSTIFIES THE MEANS, you would know that in order to get things done, shit gets a bit dirty at times.

You were a gay sex phone operator.....Is your name Tommy or Peter?


 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


LOL !!! funny Moe, This sure was my laugh of the day...
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


haha, glad I could bring a smile and chuckle to you good brother applause
Regards,

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Words and Words and circles within and without circles...

I know this:

It is the central bankers and the myriad of corporations that spring up around them that are TPTB. Builderburgers, Trilateral Commision, CFR etc...

Various Fraternities are just that and generally promote higher values and some even High knowledge and some even Sacred High Magic. I'm well aware where High Masons go who are seeking the spiritual path.

These "illuminating" fraternities are nothing to fear though I grant not every member of every fraternitie is going to be the nicest of people but it is rather the dark cabal who wallow in their filthy money that ruin the planet that we need to worry about.

Their may be a few dark fraternities, we've all heard the name skull and bones for example...

Frater

PS And yes, Knight Templar is a priesthood and they perform a Catholic style Christian eucharistic mass. I've attended. Not much use for riding around on horses cutting peoples heads off these daze :)

Best Wishes
 Quoting: Frater


Hi Frater and thanks for adding to the discussion.

I agree, but isn't it all ORDO AB CHAO and the ends justifies the means in order to eventually have a heavenly homeland or a Golden Age or has that dream been thrown away
because our current rulers want permanent hell on earth?
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV



Hi KTTV,

You know, I don't really know. That whole "Order out of Chaos" and ends justifying the means is much more a PTB thing, I don't run into it in any of the Orders and/or Fraternities and it's pretty appaling really. I cannot say those ideas are not written SOMEWHERE in all the various texts of all the various Fraternities but it's definitely not a theme in any of my circles.

I have said many time that I am not a Mason but travel in higher circles and although some overlap may occur, I am a Rosicrucian.

I know, Albert Pike... I have a 1948 copy of Morals and Dogma on my lap, ancient, wow, 65 years old and it smells it! LOL. The real esoteric version. On the first page it says in big bold letters:

"ESOTERIC BOOK, FOR SCOTTISH RITE USE ONLY; TO BE RETURNED UPON WITHDRAWAL OR DEATH OF RECIPIENT.

Well I guess that guy failed to return it LOL and I don't think they would care if I have it. I have mentioned it to a few of them and they didn't ask for it back.

But back to Pike, I have to say other than the rather ominous reference to WW3 and the very controversial referance to Lucifer (which He nor I equate with Satan) the rest of the book is an awesome referance.

I think I'm getting a little off topic or maybe never got right on it LOL.

Anyway, cool thread, Thanks.

Best Wishes

Frater
 Quoting: Frater


Frater, Ordo Ab Chao is the 33rd degree of the Scottish Rite.

Ordo is Saturn btw, and Chao is Saturn being rebirthed out of the waters of Yesod.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


If this is true, the only way to know this would be to be a 33rd degree, rite? Next, under oath you would be required to give a CHAO answer ;)

Last Edited by Gnostic Warrior on 02/02/2013 02:32 PM
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Words and Words and circles within and without circles...

I know this:

It is the central bankers and the myriad of corporations that spring up around them that are TPTB. Builderburgers, Trilateral Commision, CFR etc...

Various Fraternities are just that and generally promote higher values and some even High knowledge and some even Sacred High Magic. I'm well aware where High Masons go who are seeking the spiritual path.

These "illuminating" fraternities are nothing to fear though I grant not every member of every fraternitie is going to be the nicest of people but it is rather the dark cabal who wallow in their filthy money that ruin the planet that we need to worry about.

Their may be a few dark fraternities, we've all heard the name skull and bones for example...

Frater

PS And yes, Knight Templar is a priesthood and they perform a Catholic style Christian eucharistic mass. I've attended. Not much use for riding around on horses cutting peoples heads off these daze :)

Best Wishes
 Quoting: Frater


Hi Frater and thanks for adding to the discussion.

I agree, but isn't it all ORDO AB CHAO and the ends justifies the means in order to eventually have a heavenly homeland or a Golden Age or has that dream been thrown away
because our current rulers want permanent hell on earth?
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV



Hi KTTV,

You know, I don't really know. That whole "Order out of Chaos" and ends justifying the means is much more a PTB thing, I don't run into it in any of the Orders and/or Fraternities and it's pretty appaling really. I cannot say those ideas are not written SOMEWHERE in all the various texts of all the various Fraternities but it's definitely not a theme in any of my circles.

I have said many time that I am not a Mason but travel in higher circles and although some overlap may occur, I am a Rosicrucian.

I know, Albert Pike... I have a 1948 copy of Morals and Dogma on my lap, ancient, wow, 65 years old and it smells it! LOL. The real esoteric version. On the first page it says in big bold letters:

"ESOTERIC BOOK, FOR SCOTTISH RITE USE ONLY; TO BE RETURNED UPON WITHDRAWAL OR DEATH OF RECIPIENT.

Well I guess that guy failed to return it LOL and I don't think they would care if I have it. I have mentioned it to a few of them and they didn't ask for it back.

But back to Pike, I have to say other than the rather ominous reference to WW3 and the very controversial referance to Lucifer (which He nor I equate with Satan) the rest of the book is an awesome referance.

I think I'm getting a little off topic or maybe never got right on it LOL.

Anyway, cool thread, Thanks.

Best Wishes

Frater
 Quoting: Frater


My pleasure and again, thanks for adding your wisdom to this most important thread because it is people like you, Apollo and others who make it cool ;)

No, you are not off topic at all. My understanding is that the Rosicrucians are essentially a Christian based and possibly Catholic organization. Is that true?
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


Funny you should ask.

No, it's not true.

Back in the middle ages everyone had to claim to be Christian based so as not to get burned at the stake or otherwise murdered or abused.

Some christian symbolism was needed and even some of what they thought were the best traits of christianity was incorporated but really, it's hard core occultism and spiritual alchemy. But all in the Light, everything towards the betterment of ourselves and Humanity.

I'm Golden Dawn BTW, The outer Order, an initiate, a practitioner yes but just a student, not yet considered an adept.

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Hi Frater and thanks for adding to the discussion.

I agree, but isn't it all ORDO AB CHAO and the ends justifies the means in order to eventually have a heavenly homeland or a Golden Age or has that dream been thrown away
because our current rulers want permanent hell on earth?
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV



Hi KTTV,

You know, I don't really know. That whole "Order out of Chaos" and ends justifying the means is much more a PTB thing, I don't run into it in any of the Orders and/or Fraternities and it's pretty appaling really. I cannot say those ideas are not written SOMEWHERE in all the various texts of all the various Fraternities but it's definitely not a theme in any of my circles.

I have said many time that I am not a Mason but travel in higher circles and although some overlap may occur, I am a Rosicrucian.

I know, Albert Pike... I have a 1948 copy of Morals and Dogma on my lap, ancient, wow, 65 years old and it smells it! LOL. The real esoteric version. On the first page it says in big bold letters:

"ESOTERIC BOOK, FOR SCOTTISH RITE USE ONLY; TO BE RETURNED UPON WITHDRAWAL OR DEATH OF RECIPIENT.

Well I guess that guy failed to return it LOL and I don't think they would care if I have it. I have mentioned it to a few of them and they didn't ask for it back.

But back to Pike, I have to say other than the rather ominous reference to WW3 and the very controversial referance to Lucifer (which He nor I equate with Satan) the rest of the book is an awesome referance.

I think I'm getting a little off topic or maybe never got right on it LOL.

Anyway, cool thread, Thanks.

Best Wishes

Frater
 Quoting: Frater


Frater, Ordo Ab Chao is the 33rd degree of the Scottish Rite.

Ordo is Saturn btw, and Chao is Saturn being rebirthed out of the waters of Yesod.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


If this is true, the only way to know this would be to be a 33rd degree, rite? Next, under oath you would be required to give a CHAO answer ;)
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


LOL ! It will be experienced and we will all benefit..=) CONSUMMATUM EST.
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most that have done their research already know this and that the illuminati are puppets of a much deeper diabolical plan.
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Check out these symbols they tell a lot:

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Hey Appolo,

I just noticed the front of my copy of Morals and Dogma has a 33rd degree symbol Ordo Ab Chao on the front. It's identical to this picture, exact same book.

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and then I saw this

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hmmmm
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Hi Frater and thanks for adding to the discussion.

I agree, but isn't it all ORDO AB CHAO and the ends justifies the means in order to eventually have a heavenly homeland or a Golden Age or has that dream been thrown away
because our current rulers want permanent hell on earth?
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV



Hi KTTV,

You know, I don't really know. That whole "Order out of Chaos" and ends justifying the means is much more a PTB thing, I don't run into it in any of the Orders and/or Fraternities and it's pretty appaling really. I cannot say those ideas are not written SOMEWHERE in all the various texts of all the various Fraternities but it's definitely not a theme in any of my circles.

I have said many time that I am not a Mason but travel in higher circles and although some overlap may occur, I am a Rosicrucian.

I know, Albert Pike... I have a 1948 copy of Morals and Dogma on my lap, ancient, wow, 65 years old and it smells it! LOL. The real esoteric version. On the first page it says in big bold letters:

"ESOTERIC BOOK, FOR SCOTTISH RITE USE ONLY; TO BE RETURNED UPON WITHDRAWAL OR DEATH OF RECIPIENT.

Well I guess that guy failed to return it LOL and I don't think they would care if I have it. I have mentioned it to a few of them and they didn't ask for it back.

But back to Pike, I have to say other than the rather ominous reference to WW3 and the very controversial referance to Lucifer (which He nor I equate with Satan) the rest of the book is an awesome referance.

I think I'm getting a little off topic or maybe never got right on it LOL.

Anyway, cool thread, Thanks.

Best Wishes

Frater
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My pleasure and again, thanks for adding your wisdom to this most important thread because it is people like you, Apollo and others who make it cool ;)

No, you are not off topic at all. My understanding is that the Rosicrucians are essentially a Christian based and possibly Catholic organization. Is that true?
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Funny you should ask.

No, it's not true.

Back in the middle ages everyone had to claim to be Christian based so as not to get burned at the stake or otherwise murdered or abused.

Some christian symbolism was needed and even some of what they thought were the best traits of christianity was incorporated but really, it's hard core occultism and spiritual alchemy. But all in the Light, everything towards the betterment of ourselves and Humanity.

I'm Golden Dawn BTW, The outer Order, an initiate, a practitioner yes but just a student, not yet considered an adept.

Frater
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Are you sure Frater? Christianity was also started with the same aims as most secret societies with Christianity being the more watered down version of the secret teachings concealed in allegory and Masonry and Rosicrucianism are more of the real deal with in depth teachings that help develop our souls and understanding of not only the bible teachings, but also ourselves and the world.

Hence, they are the same tree but with different branches of teachings and truths that all go back to the same "seed" source.

My wife and I are students as well (her more so than I) and have their main book. From what I have read, a lot of the material and teachings are Christian based with a heavy emphasis on Jesus Christ. But this is not an outer order, it is the main one.
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Hi KTTV,

You know, I don't really know. That whole "Order out of Chaos" and ends justifying the means is much more a PTB thing, I don't run into it in any of the Orders and/or Fraternities and it's pretty appaling really. I cannot say those ideas are not written SOMEWHERE in all the various texts of all the various Fraternities but it's definitely not a theme in any of my circles.

I have said many time that I am not a Mason but travel in higher circles and although some overlap may occur, I am a Rosicrucian.

I know, Albert Pike... I have a 1948 copy of Morals and Dogma on my lap, ancient, wow, 65 years old and it smells it! LOL. The real esoteric version. On the first page it says in big bold letters:

"ESOTERIC BOOK, FOR SCOTTISH RITE USE ONLY; TO BE RETURNED UPON WITHDRAWAL OR DEATH OF RECIPIENT.

Well I guess that guy failed to return it LOL and I don't think they would care if I have it. I have mentioned it to a few of them and they didn't ask for it back.

But back to Pike, I have to say other than the rather ominous reference to WW3 and the very controversial referance to Lucifer (which He nor I equate with Satan) the rest of the book is an awesome referance.

I think I'm getting a little off topic or maybe never got right on it LOL.

Anyway, cool thread, Thanks.

Best Wishes

Frater
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My pleasure and again, thanks for adding your wisdom to this most important thread because it is people like you, Apollo and others who make it cool ;)

No, you are not off topic at all. My understanding is that the Rosicrucians are essentially a Christian based and possibly Catholic organization. Is that true?
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


Funny you should ask.

No, it's not true.

Back in the middle ages everyone had to claim to be Christian based so as not to get burned at the stake or otherwise murdered or abused.

Some christian symbolism was needed and even some of what they thought were the best traits of christianity was incorporated but really, it's hard core occultism and spiritual alchemy. But all in the Light, everything towards the betterment of ourselves and Humanity.

I'm Golden Dawn BTW, The outer Order, an initiate, a practitioner yes but just a student, not yet considered an adept.

Frater
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Are you sure Frater? Christianity was also started with the same aims as most secret societies with Christianity being the more watered down version of the secret teachings concealed in allegory and Masonry and Rosicrucianism are more of the real deal with in depth teachings that help develop our souls and understanding of not only the bible teachings, but also ourselves and the world.

Hence, they are the same tree but with different branches of teachings and truths that all go back to the same "seed" source.

My wife and I are students as well (her more so than I) and have their main book. From what I have read, a lot of the material and teachings are Christian based with a heavy emphasis on Jesus Christ. But this is not an outer order, it is the main one.
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Hi Maurice, May I ask what main book you are reffering to?
The name of the book, their are many.

Aside from that it does seem in almost every tradition the the higher knowledge does tend to be reserved.

Christianity, well I do love the Lambda translation at the Nag Hamadi Library. A few of those 100 phrases speak to me and are worthy of note and memorization.

Jesus was cool :) but so much BS has been heaped...

Frater

PS Beware the term "Illuminati" their setting us up, all of us kids in the Light.

My Very Best Wishes,

Frater





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again, Huh?????

I don't use Google for this, and if anything I am saying can be found on Google, WHY DONT YOU FUCKING READ IT?!?!?

Astrology this, numerology that, if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with BULLSHIT!! Huh Apollo? Is that what they taught you in the Canadian Illuminati? LMFAO!!

ANY aspect of Abrahamism is am anathema to Illumination & an abomination to humanity, you can 'obscure little sect' this, & 'Christianity's early teachings' that all you like, if anybody strayed from the official line of the CATHOLIC CHURCH they were branded heretic & dealt with ferociously, so it's most likely these things you are quoting are less than a hundred years old, & the product of someones imagination.

As for writing comedy, you've got some fucking front pal, you're utter crap is frustrating yet hilarious, & I've noticed a distinct change in the content over the year or so, that's probably because you now know that the drivel you thought could never be known about is suddenly in the public domain, shooting holes in your crazy stories.

You know what? Peddle your deranged stories, I'm done with it! Like that lying bastard David Dicke-head, you are just undermining the work of the Illuminati for whatever profit of attention principle that you employ!
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my grandfather was a freemason..he died before i could talk to him about it, but apparently he was the chief legislator of his branch..what degree do you think he would be
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High enough to put a mortgage on your soul
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my grandfather was a freemason..he died before i could talk to him about it, but apparently he was the chief legislator of his branch..what degree do you think he would be
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I'm not really sure, he would have to be a high ranking member to have any title of Chief.
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thats what i figured...thank you...

maybe i should try and join
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don't join. follow Jesus.
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Make that, not the star but the mirror image of the pyramid. You will be closer, they are in the shadows, of the pyramid.

I think Leonardo De Vinci was trying to warn, when he signed his name backwards. He was in the courts of these people, he made his living because of them. They hired him to make things.
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there's only 3 degrees in the freemasonry i'm in. Scottish rite 33,
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who cares...
all stupid pawns of the Vatican.
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