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Hell is not a place of punishment to satisfy the "wrath" of an "angry" God

 
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OP is right. Bibletards have been brainwashed into an incorrect translation of "for ever" as infinite time.

It's not.
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IMO it is a state of mind. It's a place where you torture yourself with experiences from you're wrongdoings.
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This idea is not found in Scripture!

Gotta stick with The Word of God! Personal opinions and ideas don't and won't stand!
 Quoting: jdb


Who said their were my personal ideas? and who says the scriptures are properly interpreted. Very Important to know the truth!!

[link to www.truthforallpeople.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15534724


I understand what you are saying! The point is, that *any* opinion or idea *apart* from The Word of God is unreliable and should be avoided! Scripture does *NOT* need anyone to interpret It...Scripture interprets Itself! In fact, this is where most religions and factions come from...*men* interpreting The Bible!
 Quoting: jdb


Men interpreted the Bible in their own ways basically from the beginning when it was written and its what a person does to decide to believe what is written assuming that it is all God's word that it must be truth.

That's why I go to this site:
[link to www.truthforallpeople.com]

The one who was writing this was writing directly what Jesus told him to write.

I felt it must be true because this man's love and joy increased a lot when he really wanted the Fathers presence and love. It was given to him. Much more then just human love.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15534724


Man...I greatly appreciate your drive and desire for agape love!

I just clicked on that site and the first thing that caught my eye was in the first paragraph at the top of the page - it said:

"...I don't mean that there is no redemption beyond the grave..."

But here's the thing - our adversary…our enemy the devil is far too intelligent to reveal himself and his intentions to us for what he really is….a *destroyer”! Thus he often presents himself as an angel of light – right off the bat; this website screams deception because it launches a frontal assault on The Word of God! We have been given all we need:

2Pe 1:3 “according as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who has called us to glory and virtue,”

No matter how good something might look, sound or feel, if it doesn’t line up with His Word – we need to reject it because it is a lie straight from the enemy of our/your soul!

Seriously…if we could see, in absolute terms, all the wiles of the devil…we would run into the arms of The Most High God! So please…don’t trust your feelings, desires, or emotions – trust *only* The Word of God!
God Is! We're not! Let's knock off all the nonsense!
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Op. I agree with you, I think the souls in hell will be forgiven one day by God and let them walk the new Earth. Almost everyone in heaven has prayed for that too I would bet. Mercy.
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grizzy Why are you so keen to make up lies. You can't find anything in the bible to support that rubbish and you know it.

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
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What makes you think those are God's words. I feel bad for people that really think what they are reading from the bible is the total truth,

I have read in the bible for more then 30 years and with my seeking God and his truth have realized that those words are not the truth.
I feel it is wrong to to evil and I chose to do what is right with my Fathers help but this is written to help those know that there are mistakes in the bible but we need to Know the truth. Seek and you shall find. Seek with your whole heart. Do not let fear dictate what you should believe.
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So you must have read this verse many times:

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be perfected, thoroughly furnished to every good work.
God Is! We're not! Let's knock off all the nonsense!
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IMO it is a state of mind. It's a place where you torture yourself with experiences from you're wrongdoings.
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If you think everything you do is wrong. Then you're more likely to experience this "hell". It's all perception. If you feel guilty from the way you have ever acted or treated people/things, then you are likely to create this "hell" for yourself.
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IMO it is a state of mind. It's a place where you torture yourself with experiences from you're wrongdoings.
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If you think everything you do is wrong. Then you're more likely to experience this "hell". It's all perception. If you feel guilty from the way you have ever acted or treated people/things, then you are likely to create this "hell" for yourself.
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It will take more than the Churchs', the "God"s', or your victims' forgiveness. You will have to forgive yourself.
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Who said their were my personal ideas? and who says the scriptures are properly interpreted. Very Important to know the truth!!

[link to www.truthforallpeople.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15534724


I understand what you are saying! The point is, that *any* opinion or idea *apart* from The Word of God is unreliable and should be avoided! Scripture does *NOT* need anyone to interpret It...Scripture interprets Itself! In fact, this is where most religions and factions come from...*men* interpreting The Bible!
 Quoting: jdb


Men interpreted the Bible in their own ways basically from the beginning when it was written and its what a person does to decide to believe what is written assuming that it is all God's word that it must be truth.

That's why I go to this site:
[link to www.truthforallpeople.com]

The one who was writing this was writing directly what Jesus told him to write.

I felt it must be true because this man's love and joy increased a lot when he really wanted the Fathers presence and love. It was given to him. Much more then just human love.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15534724


Man...I greatly appreciate your drive and desire for agape love!

I just clicked on that site and the first thing that caught my eye was in the first paragraph at the top of the page - it said:

"...I don't mean that there is no redemption beyond the grave..."

But here's the thing - our adversary…our enemy the devil is far too intelligent to reveal himself and his intentions to us for what he really is….a *destroyer”! Thus he often presents himself as an angel of light – right off the bat; this website screams deception because it launches a frontal assault on The Word of God! We have been given all we need:

2Pe 1:3 “according as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who has called us to glory and virtue,”

No matter how good something might look, sound or feel, if it doesn’t line up with His Word – we need to reject it because it is a lie straight from the enemy of our/your soul!

Seriously…if we could see, in absolute terms, all the wiles of the devil…we would run into the arms of The Most High God! So please…don’t trust your feelings, desires, or emotions – trust *only* The Word of God!
 Quoting: jdb


The bible has been used as a tool to deceive many but in the end the truth will be revealed and as for "the Word of God" that you claim is in the bible well I am sorry to say I am not the one on the wrong track but you are plus a lot of so called believers,

Yes there are evil sites out there but this one is pure and not evil but when you have been misled by the bible for so long it is almost impossible to know what is right and Godly
but I know this website is there to bring us to holiness and pure Godly love and let you know what man has done to change words in the bible,
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02/02/2013 04:17 PM
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OP is right. Bibletards have been brainwashed into an incorrect translation of "for ever" as infinite time.

It's not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24975305


The original Greek for 'for ever' is aionios.

So, what does the original Greek mean?

1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
2) without beginning
3) without end, never to cease, everlasting
[link to www.biblestudytools.com]

Forever, eternal, or eternity is quite accurate.
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Hell is anywhere where people are spited to such a degree as is seen on earth (slave race), in this case by ET's and their influence on human shitpiles that have their fingers in pies down here.
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I understand what you are saying! The point is, that *any* opinion or idea *apart* from The Word of God is unreliable and should be avoided! Scripture does *NOT* need anyone to interpret It...Scripture interprets Itself! In fact, this is where most religions and factions come from...*men* interpreting The Bible!
 Quoting: jdb


Men interpreted the Bible in their own ways basically from the beginning when it was written and its what a person does to decide to believe what is written assuming that it is all God's word that it must be truth.

That's why I go to this site:
[link to www.truthforallpeople.com]

The one who was writing this was writing directly what Jesus told him to write.

I felt it must be true because this man's love and joy increased a lot when he really wanted the Fathers presence and love. It was given to him. Much more then just human love.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15534724


Man...I greatly appreciate your drive and desire for agape love!

I just clicked on that site and the first thing that caught my eye was in the first paragraph at the top of the page - it said:

"...I don't mean that there is no redemption beyond the grave..."

But here's the thing - our adversary…our enemy the devil is far too intelligent to reveal himself and his intentions to us for what he really is….a *destroyer”! Thus he often presents himself as an angel of light – right off the bat; this website screams deception because it launches a frontal assault on The Word of God! We have been given all we need:

2Pe 1:3 “according as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who has called us to glory and virtue,”

No matter how good something might look, sound or feel, if it doesn’t line up with His Word – we need to reject it because it is a lie straight from the enemy of our/your soul!

Seriously…if we could see, in absolute terms, all the wiles of the devil…we would run into the arms of The Most High God! So please…don’t trust your feelings, desires, or emotions – trust *only* The Word of God!
 Quoting: jdb


The bible has been used as a tool to deceive many but in the end the truth will be revealed and as for "the Word of God" that you claim is in the bible well I am sorry to say I am not the one on the wrong track but you are plus a lot of so called believers,

Yes there are evil sites out there but this one is pure and not evil but when you have been misled by the bible for so long it is almost impossible to know what is right and Godly
but I know this website is there to bring us to holiness and pure Godly love and let you know what man has done to change words in the bible,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15534724


Well then, please let me say "thank you" for the discourse and I'd also like to say "thank you" for your civility and kindness!
God Is! We're not! Let's knock off all the nonsense!
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02/02/2013 06:11 PM
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Hell is a place one visits when one knows they must pay penance and does not end until one forgives itself.
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Men interpreted the Bible in their own ways basically from the beginning when it was written and its what a person does to decide to believe what is written assuming that it is all God's word that it must be truth.

That's why I go to this site:
[link to www.truthforallpeople.com]

The one who was writing this was writing directly what Jesus told him to write.

I felt it must be true because this man's love and joy increased a lot when he really wanted the Fathers presence and love. It was given to him. Much more then just human love.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15534724


Man...I greatly appreciate your drive and desire for agape love!

I just clicked on that site and the first thing that caught my eye was in the first paragraph at the top of the page - it said:

"...I don't mean that there is no redemption beyond the grave..."

But here's the thing - our adversary…our enemy the devil is far too intelligent to reveal himself and his intentions to us for what he really is….a *destroyer”! Thus he often presents himself as an angel of light – right off the bat; this website screams deception because it launches a frontal assault on The Word of God! We have been given all we need:

2Pe 1:3 “according as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who has called us to glory and virtue,”

No matter how good something might look, sound or feel, if it doesn’t line up with His Word – we need to reject it because it is a lie straight from the enemy of our/your soul!

Seriously…if we could see, in absolute terms, all the wiles of the devil…we would run into the arms of The Most High God! So please…don’t trust your feelings, desires, or emotions – trust *only* The Word of God!
 Quoting: jdb


The bible has been used as a tool to deceive many but in the end the truth will be revealed and as for "the Word of God" that you claim is in the bible well I am sorry to say I am not the one on the wrong track but you are plus a lot of so called believers,

Yes there are evil sites out there but this one is pure and not evil but when you have been misled by the bible for so long it is almost impossible to know what is right and Godly
but I know this website is there to bring us to holiness and pure Godly love and let you know what man has done to change words in the bible,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15534724


Well then, please let me say "thank you" for the discourse and I'd also like to say "thank you" for your civility and kindness!
 Quoting: jdb


It has been quite a discussion Thank you.
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ISAIAH
5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp,and he that rejoiceth,shall descend into it.

PROVERBS9:18 But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.

MATTHEW25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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So glad to finally find a thread on this. I knew there was one somewhere.
I have been having thoughts recently on the concept of hell. Maybe some of you will have some input on this as well...
While there is no way (at this point) any belief system can be proved prior to death, I believe it is integral to the health of the human spirit to discuss these things and what makes sense to each of us.

I have been wondering about the seemingly contradictory ideas that come into play when discussing the Christian hell. Follow with me here...
1. Christians die
2. Christians enter heaven
3. Christians become perfect beings in the presence of God's love
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If this is true, and becoming a perfect being means becoming devoid of jealousy, hate, anger, fear, etc. would people in that position not WANT everyone else (no matter how "evil" on earth) to be able to join them in heaven? Again: fear, anger, hate not involved.

As the saying goes, "we're only human," so we frequent our capacity to *make mistakes.* an all-knowing God would surely realize this and give us leeway for those errors and doubts. It seems to me through the light I find in humanity as a whole and the beauty of creation that God is focused on love and honesty rather than a game of "You didn't pick what I wanted you to so I'm going to throw you to the fire." That doesn't compute with the God I feel to be real in my heart...

Last point for now: If God loves us as an earthly father loves his child, but MAGNIFIED beyond comprehension, how could he provide a possibility of separation from us for eternity? The christian father would do anything for his children- eternal separation would be unthinkable.

So, then, is the human version of justice more filled with LOVE than the Christian God's?
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Scripture does *NOT* need anyone to interpret It...Scripture interprets Itself! In fact, this is where most religions and factions come from...*men* interpreting The Bible!
 Quoting: jdb


You're kidding, right? The Pharisees were knee deep in the scriptures, yet had missed the entire point. They needed it explained to them by Someone.
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The bible has been used as a tool to deceive many but in the end the truth will be revealed and as for "the Word of God" that you claim is in the bible well I am sorry to say I am not the one on the wrong track but you are plus a lot of so called believers,

Yes there are evil sites out there but this one is pure and not evil but when you have been misled by the bible for so long it is almost impossible to know what is right and Godly
but I know this website is there to bring us to holiness and pure Godly love and let you know what man has done to change words in the bible,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15534724


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Luke 12: "I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled"

Exodus 22: "If fire breaks out and catches in thorns, so that stacked grain, standing grain, or the field is consumed, He Who kindled the fire shall surely make restitution."

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