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My Theory of Timeline re Sandy Hook

 
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The following is my theory regarding the Sandy Hook shooting. I have taken information from the 911 dispatch recording and information from the recent interview of first responders along with other various news reports.

Please note: The only way I could get this timeline to work is to ignore information given that shooter first went to Rousseau's class and then went to Soto's class. I believe it was the other way around and shooter went back to Soto's class while cops were in the front hall of the building.

Please let me know what you think.


Officer William Chapman was in the Newtown police station along with Officer McGowan and others
when the first reports of shots and breaking glass came in early on the day of the massacre.
The school was more than two miles away. They traveled up Route 25, then right onto Church Hill Road.
“We drove as fast as we’ve ever driven,” Officer McGowan said.


9:35:55 "Caller is indicating she thinks that someone is shooting in the building"
Shooter has shot principal and phycologist.
Shooter making his way to Soto's class which is the classroom after closed door class.
I don't think Soto had the presence of mind to shut and/or lock the door.
I never heard any reports of him shooting out this door or having any problem getting into this classroom.
Doesn't help with the hero story. She was scared shitless - I don't blame her.
Shooter shoots in Soto's class.
Six students run out.

Barbara Sidley drives up and sees them on their escape.
Meanwhile, shooter is making his way to Rousseau's class who can't lock the door.
Barbara and woman are now standing outside the front door.
Shooter starts to shoot up Rousseau's class
Barbara and woman run.
The cops are now outside the front door and grab Barbara to safety
who is now nowhere near the front door cause she heard the gunshots and ran.
9:36:42 "The entrance of the Sandy Hook School. The front glass has been broken and they're unsure why"
They (Chapman andMcGowan) made it in under three minutes, arriving in the parking lot while gunfire could still be heard.
“I got out of the car and grabbed my rifle and it stopped for second,” Officer Chapman said.
“But then we heard more popping. You could tell it was rifle fire. And it was up so close,
it sounded like it was coming from outside. So we were all looking around for someone to shoot back at.”
As the officers converged on the building, the gunfire stopped again. Officers Chapman and Scott Smith made their way to the front entrance.

9:37:22 All units the individual I have on the phone is continuing to hear what he believes to be gunfire

9:38:20 All units responding to Sandy Hook School at this time. The shooting appears to have stopped. The school is in lockdown

9:39:11 "The teachers saw 2 shadows running past the building past the gym which would be rear"

9:39:27 "Yea, we got em they're coming at me down Crestwood"

9:39:45 "This is it"
The officers turned their radios down. They entered the front lobby and saw the first bodies,
those of Dawn Hochsprung, the principal, they would later learn, and Mary Sherlach, the school psychologist.
Killer may hear the cops and starts making his way back up the hall and pops back into Soto's class.
9:40:05 "I will need two ambulances at this time".

9:40:33 The shooter is apparently still shooting in the office area 12 Dickerson Drive

9:41:01 Take exit 10... continue on Riverside Road, Dickerson Drive. Make sure you have your vests on.

9:41:24 (someone says they've apprehended someone and have them proned out)

9:42:20 "Last known shots were in the front of the sc"(inaudible)
9:43:47 We have one fatal in room one... (inaudible) received a wound to the foot...

9:45:51 "we've got bodies in here"

9:46:27 "we've got an injured person in room number 9 with numerous gunshot wounds"

more shots fired at this time??? (see 9:49)
Killer kills himself.
9:46:55 "unknown if the shooter is located"
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Sorry, forgot to put a user name on my post. The above is from moondrop
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Threw this idea out there in someone else's post and the thread ended up dying. Seems everytime there is an interesting thread that makes some sense that thread dies. Please come aboard, I would like some discussion on this with some serious input.
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What is your analysis of the overall situation? Does it fit the media narrative?
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What is it now, only 45 more days before the police release their findings? Guess we'll find out then if you were right.
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What is your analysis of the overall situation? Does it fit the media narrative?
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To some extent yes although I don't know why it was said that Rousseau's class was the first to get shot up. When I look at it with the perspective of Soto's class being shot up first, then witness accounts seem to make more sense.

I have just been working on the timeline aspect of this and I am still not convinced Adam was at fault. That part still does not make any sense to me.
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What is it now, only 45 more days before the police release their findings? Guess we'll find out then if you were right.
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Maybe. I did hear they would not be giving out a timeline.
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Any chance of a second shooter?
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Other big questions for me are Rousseau's car which looked like one of the bullet holes was from the inside out and why this car was sent back to Canada. Should it not have been held as evidence?

In my mind, there is a lot more to put together here.
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Other big questions for me are Rousseau's car which looked like one of the bullet holes was from the inside out and why this car was sent back to Canada. Should it not have been held as evidence?

In my mind, there is a lot more to put together here.
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Any red flags?
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Any chance of a second shooter?
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I think it is possible. Lots of "suspects" that we have not heard further about. When looking at timeline, if there were second shooters, they were in and out of there very quickly with Adam (dead or alive) still left in the building.

Or possibility of second shooters dressed as cops and blending in with the scene.

I have to think more on possibility of second shooters in timeline because Adam shooting his mum and driving to the school and shooting children makes no sense to me.
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Other big questions for me are Rousseau's car which looked like one of the bullet holes was from the inside out and why this car was sent back to Canada. Should it not have been held as evidence?

In my mind, there is a lot more to put together here.
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Any red flags?
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Only red flags I see at this point is the obvious misinformation that had been given to news agencies by "anonymous" police officials.
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Any chance of a second shooter?
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Or, in reality, no shooter and no victims.
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Any chance of a second shooter?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1152779


Or, in reality, no shooter and no victims.
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Only in your reality, children died. Don't be stupid.
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Any chance of a second shooter?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1152779


Or, in reality, no shooter and no victims.
 Quoting: HooleyDooley


Only in your reality, children died. Don't be stupid.
 Quoting: moondrop 33412160


Children died but no medics rushed in to try to revive or help any of them?

Children died and a parent is caught grinning from ear to ear when he doesn't realise he is on camera?

Children died but instead of taking the bodies to a morgue the autopsies are done in a school parking lot?

Hundreds of real gunshots were fired but people only heard a few banging noises or sounds over the loudspeaker? Kaitlin Roig was able to talk to her kids in a loving and caring way while hundreds of rounds were fired in the rooms next to her?
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Yeah but timeline is missing him going into the Nurse's office (as the nurse states he did)

And also when it was he had shot through the door into the second injured woman(shot her arm and leg)..

Also when did he visit the other class where he was banging and yelling "let me in let me in"
??
He would've shot through he wouldn't just yell.

Found that on one of the links from this thread- she's right it needs to be counted for on timeline:
Thread: Guide to Sandy Hook Unanswered Questions/Anomalies
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Yeah but timeline is missing him going into the Nurse's office (as the nurse states he did)

And also when it was he had shot through the door into the second injured woman(shot her arm and leg)..

Also when did he visit the other class where he was banging and yelling "let me in let me in"
??
He would've shot through he wouldn't just yell.

Found that on one of the links from this thread- she's right it needs to be counted for on timeline:
Thread: Guide to Sandy Hook Unanswered Questions/Anomalies
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30661956


Just read the article about the nurse and her secretary again and it says she heard a few pops but it didn't register that it could be gunfire until her secretary yelled her name and then she hid under the desk. I take it the secretary hid under her own desk too since Lanza did not shoot her. Why didn't they hear breaking glass I don't know. She said she saw Lanza's boots about 20 feet away, so that would make him outside in the hallway - did the secretary see him too? Can she ID him? The secretary comes into the nurses office and hides under her desk and they grab the phone, call 911 and then hide in the closet. I take it neither one of them had a cell phone in the closet with them.

Who is the person who got shot in the foot and where were they?
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9:35:55 "Caller is indicating she thinks that someone is shooting in the building"

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I have been looking for the original story (time-line) of when the "officials" realized they had the wrong identity and finally found the page:

Former Jersey Journal reporter steered media to real Connecticut killer

"Fearing the worst but hoping for the best," Wilshe said he checked Lanza's Facebook page and found he was from Newtown but also read Ryan's statement: "It wasn't me. I was at work. It wasn't me."

Wilshe said he then sent Ryan a Facebook message asking him what was going on, and Lanza responded, that "it was his (Lanza's) brother," 20-year-old Adam, who had gone on the shooting rampage.

[Former Jersey Journal reporter Brett Wilshe helped get out the word Friday that the Connecticut shooter was not his friend, Ryan Lanza of Hoboken, but Ryan's brother, Adam.
Courtesy of Brett Wilshe]

[link to www.nj.com]

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How did this guy know Adam(the kid nobody has seen in years--- had his brothers ID?? Ryan Lanza has never reported his ID missing.... So why are the facts here so confident and yet this guy HAS never seen Adam and NO photo was released.... how the hell did he know?




This report seems to provide yet more information on that question:
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According to Wilshe, Lanza's reply was something along the lines of: 'It was my brother. I think my mother is dead. Oh my God.'

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

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Meanwhile in the bckground a photo of kids being escorted out... the only one in fact.

[link to tweetwood.com]


The time of the at the top 9:35--- there is no IPTC or EXIF (at least in this version) to determine when the original was first taken.... so no conclusion can be made... so on that page over to the next link here:
[link to twitter.com (secure)]

and here:

[link to twitter.com (secure)]

Note time on this page ---7:37 AM - 14 Dec 12 well that may have nothing to do with eastern standard time of (photos in question) or are the Tweets on their own clock? Perhaps someone who is much more familiar with the details here can quickly resolve the time elements... I just notice the oddities and then try to track back down how they arise.

There is something wrong with the time schedule here and the very odd fact that it is actually Ryan who is identifying his brother as a killer, including his Mother---and yet he does not question the bold faced error "She is a kindergarten teacher?" He knows damn good and well his mother is not a teacher--- so he thinks his brother is a murderer and he knew his mother was dead? For a brother who has had no contact with adam he is proof positive, but why?

Then further down the report(Ryan-Lanza-Moment-brother-Adam-Lanza) is yet another contradiction:

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Thirty minutes later, New York police officers stormed the office. Between leaving his place of work and being taken in for questioning, Lanza defended himself in a series of bizarre Facebook posts when he was mistakenly named as the killer after his ID was found at the scene.

Lanza, 24, seemed unaware that his younger brother, Adam Lanza, had gunned down 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School, in Newtown before taking his own life.

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Ryan saw the news and flipped out:
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[link to tweetwood.com]

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Maybe it is simply sibling instinct to blame your younger brother WHEN not a single shred of evidense has actually fingered him at all.
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Any chance of a second shooter?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1152779


Or, in reality, no shooter and no victims.
 Quoting: HooleyDooley


Only in your reality, children died. Don't be stupid.
 Quoting: moondrop 33412160


Children died but no medics rushed in to try to revive or help any of them?

Children died and a parent is caught grinning from ear to ear when he doesn't realise he is on camera?

Children died but instead of taking the bodies to a morgue the autopsies are done in a school parking lot?

Hundreds of real gunshots were fired but people only heard a few banging noises or sounds over the loudspeaker? Kaitlin Roig was able to talk to her kids in a loving and caring way while hundreds of rounds were fired in the rooms next to her?
 Quoting: HooleyDooley




Hooley Dooley is 100% correct
No point in trying to figure out what happened--apparently nobody is going to tell us. All participants must be under mass hypnosis--that is the only logical explanation for this. The only thing we know about this fiasco is that there is no truth in the contradictory official stories.
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Yeah but timeline is missing him going into the Nurse's office (as the nurse states he did)

And also when it was he had shot through the door into the second injured woman(shot her arm and leg)..

Also when did he visit the other class where he was banging and yelling "let me in let me in"
??
He would've shot through he wouldn't just yell.

Found that on one of the links from this thread- she's right it needs to be counted for on timeline:
Thread: Guide to Sandy Hook Unanswered Questions/Anomalies
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I can still elaborate on the timeline but was concentrating on area of timeline of children running out of classroom and how that could possibly fit in with witness testimonies.

He shot principal and physcologist?, shot through door and injured second woman and went to nurse's office, I believe, all around the 9:35 time.

As for:

Also when did he visit the other class where he was banging and yelling "let me in let me in"
??
He would've shot through he wouldn't just yell.

I agree. I don't know where to put this in as of yet. It may be part of a second shooter scenario.
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Yeah but timeline is missing him going into the Nurse's office (as the nurse states he did)

And also when it was he had shot through the door into the second injured woman(shot her arm and leg)..

Also when did he visit the other class where he was banging and yelling "let me in let me in"
??
He would've shot through he wouldn't just yell.

Found that on one of the links from this thread- she's right it needs to be counted for on timeline:
Thread: Guide to Sandy Hook Unanswered Questions/Anomalies
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30661956


Just read the article about the nurse and her secretary again and it says she heard a few pops but it didn't register that it could be gunfire until her secretary yelled her name and then she hid under the desk. I take it the secretary hid under her own desk too since Lanza did not shoot her. Why didn't they hear breaking glass I don't know. She said she saw Lanza's boots about 20 feet away, so that would make him outside in the hallway - did the secretary see him too? Can she ID him? The secretary comes into the nurses office and hides under her desk and they grab the phone, call 911 and then hide in the closet. I take it neither one of them had a cell phone in the closet with them.

Who is the person who got shot in the foot and where were they?
 Quoting: DiamondGal 5598080




In one of the nurse's stories, she looked the shooter in the eye (presumably she could see the "eye" behind his mask!); in another she only saw his boots.
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Yeah but timeline is missing him going into the Nurse's office (as the nurse states he did)

And also when it was he had shot through the door into the second injured woman(shot her arm and leg)..

Also when did he visit the other class where he was banging and yelling "let me in let me in"
??
He would've shot through he wouldn't just yell.

Found that on one of the links from this thread- she's right it needs to be counted for on timeline:
Thread: Guide to Sandy Hook Unanswered Questions/Anomalies
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30661956


Just read the article about the nurse and her secretary again and it says she heard a few pops but it didn't register that it could be gunfire until her secretary yelled her name and then she hid under the desk. I take it the secretary hid under her own desk too since Lanza did not shoot her. Why didn't they hear breaking glass I don't know. She said she saw Lanza's boots about 20 feet away, so that would make him outside in the hallway - did the secretary see him too? Can she ID him? The secretary comes into the nurses office and hides under her desk and they grab the phone, call 911 and then hide in the closet. I take it neither one of them had a cell phone in the closet with them.

Who is the person who got shot in the foot and where were they?
 Quoting: DiamondGal 5598080




In one of the nurse's stories, she looked the shooter in the eye (presumably she could see the "eye" behind his mask!); in another she only saw his boots.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33521123




also another discrepancy from the nurse: Nancy Lanza was a teacher at the school. Other stories tell us Nancy was not a teacher at the school
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In one of the nurse's stories, she looked the shooter in the eye (presumably she could see the "eye" behind his mask!); in another she only saw his boots.




also another discrepancy from the nurse: Nancy Lanza was a teacher at the school. Other stories tell us Nancy was not a teacher at the school


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In this frame grab provided by WCBS in New York, Ryan Lanza, the 24-year-old brother of Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter Adam Lanza, is escorted by police into a cruiser in Hoboken, N.J., Friday, Dec. 14, 2012. Adam Lanza, 20, killed his mother at home and then opened fire Friday inside the elementary school where she taught, massacring 26 people, including 20 children, as youngsters cowered in fear to the sound of gunshots echoing through the building and screams coming over the intercom. (AP Photo/WCBS-TV)
[link to www.nj.com]
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The detectives working this case only needed to look at the roll-call book to know who was in class and the teacher... furthermore the shootings took place in the first grade classrooms..... the false information like a tidal wave actually destroyed the crucial eye-witness elements... which is why the school nurse story is even more strange... she knew the teachers and staff BUT she does NOT know either Nancy or Ryan.... so who DID and why ID a body on any information other than what is right there literally on the floor?


Nancy Lanza was not reported as dead in the first hour and yet a twitter photo shows the street already taped off... (will have to find it again) if that photo was before 9:35 am it is yet another time-line oddity.... they are damn sure she is dead(Nancy) BUT they cannot explain how they were so wrong as to identify her in a classroom in a school she has not set foot in even as a parent in over what ten years?

Detective work is not a guessing game when the facts are right there on the Teachers Desk... so why pretend otherwise? There is no valid excuse for the mis-identification of Nancy Lanza....
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Any chance of a second shooter?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1152779


Or, in reality, no shooter and no victims.
 Quoting: HooleyDooley


Only in your reality, children died. Don't be stupid.
 Quoting: moondrop 33412160


Children died but no medics rushed in to try to revive or help any of them?

Children died and a parent is caught grinning from ear to ear when he doesn't realise he is on camera?

Children died but instead of taking the bodies to a morgue the autopsies are done in a school parking lot?

Hundreds of real gunshots were fired but people only heard a few banging noises or sounds over the loudspeaker? Kaitlin Roig was able to talk to her kids in a loving and caring way while hundreds of rounds were fired in the rooms next to her?
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I am sorry for the name calling. It was not called for, but I do believe children died. On the other hand, I agree with you -

- medics should have been brought in to try and revive those children. There does not seem to be a report that I can find of that being done. I read somewhere that the cops were standing in the room and heard a moan come from the pile of bodies and had to go over and remove bodies to get to a child who was still alive but later died at the hospital. This was probably another case of bad reporting but it sounds like they did not check for vital signs of these victims too quickly.
Also on this point, unless the parents were told more than we were told, I would certainly be questioning why medics were not on the scene.

- as for the parent grinning from ear to ear I agree, that is very suspicious. But what do I know about him, people react differently, he may be a pyscopath. Lots of people just don't feel things as the rest of us.

- as for the noises. I thought everyone would hear what was going on due to the intercom system but many teachers may have gone to the system in their room and turned the volume down so as not to alarm the children. I don't pretend to know how loud gunshot is but I don't believe all the teachers and children in the other wings of the school would not have heard the noise very clearly, if at all, depending on location in the school.
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Excellent work! I've been wondering how the official timeline fits and it doesn't. Nobody heard the glass being shot out, some said they let Lanza in. I tend to believe that.
9;35 call from school
9:38 cops supposedly make it there yet shooting doesn't end until 9:42 - 43?
5 minutes from their arrival and only 2 doors down the hallway and they haven't seen him? No cop said they saw Lanza alive.

I got a screencap of a hole shot through Rousseau's class window but only 1. So how did those cars end up with bullet holes? There must have been a firefight outside of some kind, at least a few shots fired.

Lanza supposedly did all this:
Shot in the front glass
Shot Hochsprung and Sherlach
Walked in to the office and looked it over
Shot the woman in the arm and leg trying to hold the door (room 9)
Shot another woman in the foot in (room 1)
Banged on several doors and kicked a few.
screamed obscenities while walking around
Killed Rousseau and 14 kids
Killed Soto and 6 more kids and a teachers aide and probably had to change mags or gun jammed for kids to make a break and run.

Now, the 6 kids who ended up at Rosens were from Soto's class and they had to have made it there before the cops arrived (Barb Sibley saw them the cops didnt)

It's 400 yards to Rosens house - 2 minute run. Add that to the 6 minutes after cops arrived means that 8 minutes after Lanza shot Sotos class there was shooting still going on.

That alone is longer than the OS says he was inside shooting. My guess is he was in there close to 15 minutes.

I think Lanza was a patsy and suicided on the spot while the other 2 or 3 ran. 1 got caught on crestwood, the other 2 went to the woods where they caught 1. Cops were searching 6 Riverside dr for a suspect which is right behind those woods. This is where the purple van comes in that may be connected to Aaron Greene.

I could go on but as you can see there's so many contradicting testimonies and timelines that it's near impossible to establish anything.
All the same I commend you on what you've put together. I just think there is much more evidence that needs to be put in the blender.
Cheers.
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Yeah but timeline is missing him going into the Nurse's office (as the nurse states he did)

And also when it was he had shot through the door into the second injured woman(shot her arm and leg)..

Also when did he visit the other class where he was banging and yelling "let me in let me in"
??
He would've shot through he wouldn't just yell.

Found that on one of the links from this thread- she's right it needs to be counted for on timeline:
Thread: Guide to Sandy Hook Unanswered Questions/Anomalies
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30661956


Just read the article about the nurse and her secretary again and it says she heard a few pops but it didn't register that it could be gunfire until her secretary yelled her name and then she hid under the desk. I take it the secretary hid under her own desk too since Lanza did not shoot her. Why didn't they hear breaking glass I don't know. She said she saw Lanza's boots about 20 feet away, so that would make him outside in the hallway - did the secretary see him too? Can she ID him? The secretary comes into the nurses office and hides under her desk and they grab the phone, call 911 and then hide in the closet. I take it neither one of them had a cell phone in the closet with them.

Who is the person who got shot in the foot and where were they?
 Quoting: DiamondGal 5598080


The secretary was in the room in front of the nurses office. Apparently she hid under her desk and the shooter walked past her desk and into the nurses office where the nurse was hiding under her desk. The shooter walked out and headed for the classrooms. After he left their offices the secretary ran into the nurses office and went under the desk with the nurse and pulled the phone off that desk to call 911. The then went and hid in the closet. Neither of them put their head up to look at the shooter. Seems neither one had a cell phone in the closet. (or they wouldn't have been in there for 4 hours!)
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Re: My Theory of Timeline re Sandy Hook
Sorry, nobody was shot. Good try.
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Yeah but timeline is missing him going into the Nurse's office (as the nurse states he did)

And also when it was he had shot through the door into the second injured woman(shot her arm and leg)..

Also when did he visit the other class where he was banging and yelling "let me in let me in"
??
He would've shot through he wouldn't just yell.

Found that on one of the links from this thread- she's right it needs to be counted for on timeline:
Thread: Guide to Sandy Hook Unanswered Questions/Anomalies
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Just read the article about the nurse and her secretary again and it says she heard a few pops but it didn't register that it could be gunfire until her secretary yelled her name and then she hid under the desk. I take it the secretary hid under her own desk too since Lanza did not shoot her. Why didn't they hear breaking glass I don't know. She said she saw Lanza's boots about 20 feet away, so that would make him outside in the hallway - did the secretary see him too? Can she ID him? The secretary comes into the nurses office and hides under her desk and they grab the phone, call 911 and then hide in the closet. I take it neither one of them had a cell phone in the closet with them.

Who is the person who got shot in the foot and where were they?
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In one of the nurse's stories, she looked the shooter in the eye (presumably she could see the "eye" behind his mask!); in another she only saw his boots.
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What I find really suspicious about her was that she stayed inside the school for four hours after that, hiding she says. I wonder what was really going on, I think she had some involvement in the operation or hoax or whatever it was.
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Re: My Theory of Timeline re Sandy Hook
good job...


it would help with
[link to memoryholeblog.com]

but i have question about the radio 911 dispatch recording timeline, how we could check for the real time stamp?
i think cops use crypted frequency when they talk together and we have only the message for all the emergency unit.

1. why lanza go in classroom 2 then 1 then back to 2 to kill himself.


2. how cnn know about the all event so fast?
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Re: My Theory of Timeline re Sandy Hook
Excellent work! I've been wondering how the official timeline fits and it doesn't. Nobody heard the glass being shot out, some said they let Lanza in. I tend to believe that.
9;35 call from school
9:38 cops supposedly make it there yet shooting doesn't end until 9:42 - 43?
5 minutes from their arrival and only 2 doors down the hallway and they haven't seen him? No cop said they saw Lanza alive.

I got a screencap of a hole shot through Rousseau's class window but only 1. So how did those cars end up with bullet holes? There must have been a firefight outside of some kind, at least a few shots fired.

Lanza supposedly did all this:
Shot in the front glass
Shot Hochsprung and Sherlach
Walked in to the office and looked it over
Shot the woman in the arm and leg trying to hold the door (room 9)
Shot another woman in the foot in (room 1)
Banged on several doors and kicked a few.
screamed obscenities while walking around
Killed Rousseau and 14 kids
Killed Soto and 6 more kids and a teachers aide and probably had to change mags or gun jammed for kids to make a break and run.

Now, the 6 kids who ended up at Rosens were from Soto's class and they had to have made it there before the cops arrived (Barb Sibley saw them the cops didnt)

It's 400 yards to Rosens house - 2 minute run. Add that to the 6 minutes after cops arrived means that 8 minutes after Lanza shot Sotos class there was shooting still going on.

That alone is longer than the OS says he was inside shooting. My guess is he was in there close to 15 minutes.

I think Lanza was a patsy and suicided on the spot while the other 2 or 3 ran. 1 got caught on crestwood, the other 2 went to the woods where they caught 1. Cops were searching 6 Riverside dr for a suspect which is right behind those woods. This is where the purple van comes in that may be connected to Aaron Greene.

I could go on but as you can see there's so many contradicting testimonies and timelines that it's near impossible to establish anything.
All the same I commend you on what you've put together. I just think there is much more evidence that needs to be put in the blender.
Cheers.
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Killed Rousseau and 14 kids
Killed Soto and 6 more kids and a teachers aide and probably had to change mags or gun jammed for kids to make a break and run.


I believe Soto was killed first, then he went to Rousseau's class. This leaves room for the kids to run out before the cops got there. Wouldn't you agree with this?

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