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My Theory of Timeline re Sandy Hook

 
moondrop (OP)
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Re: My Theory of Timeline re Sandy Hook
To add

Nobody heard the glass being shot out, some said they let Lanza in. I tend to believe that

The shooter may have shot the glass out. That is why the principal ran into the hall to see what all the commotion was.
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02/02/2013 11:47 PM
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Yeah but timeline is missing him going into the Nurse's office (as the nurse states he did)

And also when it was he had shot through the door into the second injured woman(shot her arm and leg)..

Also when did he visit the other class where he was banging and yelling "let me in let me in"
??
He would've shot through he wouldn't just yell.

Found that on one of the links from this thread- she's right it needs to be counted for on timeline:
Thread: Guide to Sandy Hook Unanswered Questions/Anomalies
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30661956


Just read the article about the nurse and her secretary again and it says she heard a few pops but it didn't register that it could be gunfire until her secretary yelled her name and then she hid under the desk. I take it the secretary hid under her own desk too since Lanza did not shoot her. Why didn't they hear breaking glass I don't know. She said she saw Lanza's boots about 20 feet away, so that would make him outside in the hallway - did the secretary see him too? Can she ID him? The secretary comes into the nurses office and hides under her desk and they grab the phone, call 911 and then hide in the closet. I take it neither one of them had a cell phone in the closet with them.

Who is the person who got shot in the foot and where were they?
 Quoting: DiamondGal 5598080




In one of the nurse's stories, she looked the shooter in the eye (presumably she could see the "eye" behind his mask!); in another she only saw his boots.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33521123


What I find really suspicious about her was that she stayed inside the school for four hours after that, hiding she says. I wonder what was really going on, I think she had some involvement in the operation or hoax or whatever it was.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14408911


They stayed in the closet because they were scared to come out! How would they know that the shooting was over - although I think after an hour they would peek out and see the cops walking around the building and hear all the commotion of the cops. Assuming that the cops were in the building! Seems like most of them were in the parking lot.
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Does anyone know if EMT's have to wait for the police to clear an active crime scene before they go in?
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02/03/2013 12:37 AM
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9:35:55 "Caller is indicating she thinks that someone is shooting in the building"

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I have been looking for the original story (time-line) of when the "officials" realized they had the wrong identity and finally found the page:

Former Jersey Journal reporter steered media to real Connecticut killer

"Fearing the worst but hoping for the best," Wilshe said he checked Lanza's Facebook page and found he was from Newtown but also read Ryan's statement: "It wasn't me. I was at work. It wasn't me."

Wilshe said he then sent Ryan a Facebook message asking him what was going on, and Lanza responded, that "it was his (Lanza's) brother," 20-year-old Adam, who had gone on the shooting rampage.

[Former Jersey Journal reporter Brett Wilshe helped get out the word Friday that the Connecticut shooter was not his friend, Ryan Lanza of Hoboken, but Ryan's brother, Adam.
Courtesy of Brett Wilshe]

[link to www.nj.com]

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How did this guy know Adam(the kid nobody has seen in years--- had his brothers ID?? Ryan Lanza has never reported his ID missing.... So why are the facts here so confident and yet this guy HAS never seen Adam and NO photo was released.... how the hell did he know?




Going through your post 1 item at a time. Thank you. This is the first I have seen of this article.

The question I would be asking as regards to this article is why was Ryan so confident the killer was his brother. The killer could have been anybody. Even if Ryan heard he was identified because that id was on the killer, why is he so sure it was his brother that had his id? It could have been anyone.
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Does anyone know if EMT's have to wait for the police to clear an active crime scene before they go in?
 Quoting: DiamondGal 5598080


Yes, I would like to know too. Must be some EMT's on this site.
I would think they would have to clear the sight so EMT's don't get shot but they should have been let in shortly after they found the shooter's body.

This from the dispatch calls:

9:53:28 "newtown reporting one suspect down the building has now been cleared"

Why were the medics not in there before 10:00?
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02/03/2013 01:03 AM
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Excellent work! I've been wondering how the official timeline fits and it doesn't. Nobody heard the glass being shot out, some said they let Lanza in. I tend to believe that.
9;35 call from school
9:38 cops supposedly make it there yet shooting doesn't end until 9:42 - 43?
5 minutes from their arrival and only 2 doors down the hallway and they haven't seen him? No cop said they saw Lanza alive.

I got a screencap of a hole shot through Rousseau's class window but only 1. So how did those cars end up with bullet holes? There must have been a firefight outside of some kind, at least a few shots fired.

Lanza supposedly did all this:
Shot in the front glass
Shot Hochsprung and Sherlach
Walked in to the office and looked it over
Shot the woman in the arm and leg trying to hold the door (room 9)
Shot another woman in the foot in (room 1)
Banged on several doors and kicked a few.
screamed obscenities while walking around
Killed Rousseau and 14 kids
Killed Soto and 6 more kids and a teachers aide and probably had to change mags or gun jammed for kids to make a break and run.


Now, the 6 kids who ended up at Rosens were from Soto's class and they had to have made it there before the cops arrived (Barb Sibley saw them the cops didnt)

It's 400 yards to Rosens house - 2 minute run. Add that to the 6 minutes after cops arrived means that 8 minutes after Lanza shot Sotos class there was shooting still going on.

That alone is longer than the OS says he was inside shooting. My guess is he was in there close to 15 minutes.

I think Lanza was a patsy and suicided on the spot while the other 2 or 3 ran. 1 got caught on crestwood, the other 2 went to the woods where they caught 1. Cops were searching 6 Riverside dr for a suspect which is right behind those woods. This is where the purple van comes in that may be connected to Aaron Greene.

I could go on but as you can see there's so many contradicting testimonies and timelines that it's near impossible to establish anything.
All the same I commend you on what you've put together. I just think there is much more evidence that needs to be put in the blender.
Cheers.
Bitter
 Quoting: Bittercritter 26255514


Killed Rousseau and 14 kids
Killed Soto and 6 more kids and a teachers aide and probably had to change mags or gun jammed for kids to make a break and run.


I believe Soto was killed first, then he went to Rousseau's class. This leaves room for the kids to run out before the cops got there. Wouldn't you agree with this?
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it's 15 and 5, not 14 and 6--> Thread: Sandy Hook *Biggest Red Flag* IMO
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9:35:55 "Caller is indicating she thinks that someone is shooting in the building"

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I have been looking for the original story (time-line) of when the "officials" realized they had the wrong identity and finally found the page:

Former Jersey Journal reporter steered media to real Connecticut killer

"Fearing the worst but hoping for the best," Wilshe said he checked Lanza's Facebook page and found he was from Newtown but also read Ryan's statement: "It wasn't me. I was at work. It wasn't me."

Wilshe said he then sent Ryan a Facebook message asking him what was going on, and Lanza responded, that "it was his (Lanza's) brother," 20-year-old Adam, who had gone on the shooting rampage.

[Former Jersey Journal reporter Brett Wilshe helped get out the word Friday that the Connecticut shooter was not his friend, Ryan Lanza of Hoboken, but Ryan's brother, Adam.
Courtesy of Brett Wilshe]

[link to www.nj.com]

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How did this guy know Adam(the kid nobody has seen in years--- had his brothers ID?? Ryan Lanza has never reported his ID missing.... So why are the facts here so confident and yet this guy HAS never seen Adam and NO photo was released.... how the hell did he know?




This report seems to provide yet more information on that question:
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According to Wilshe, Lanza's reply was something along the lines of: 'It was my brother. I think my mother is dead. Oh my God.'

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

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Meanwhile in the bckground a photo of kids being escorted out... the only one in fact.

[link to tweetwood.com]


The time of the at the top 9:35--- there is no IPTC or EXIF (at least in this version) to determine when the original was first taken.... so no conclusion can be made... so on that page over to the next link here:
[link to twitter.com (secure)]

and here:

[link to twitter.com (secure)]

Note time on this page ---7:37 AM - 14 Dec 12 well that may have nothing to do with eastern standard time of (photos in question) or are the Tweets on their own clock? Perhaps someone who is much more familiar with the details here can quickly resolve the time elements... I just notice the oddities and then try to track back down how they arise.

There is something wrong with the time schedule here and the very odd fact that it is actually Ryan who is identifying his brother as a killer, including his Mother---and yet he does not question the bold faced error "She is a kindergarten teacher?" He knows damn good and well his mother is not a teacher--- so he thinks his brother is a murderer and he knew his mother was dead? For a brother who has had no contact with adam he is proof positive, but why?

Then further down the report(Ryan-Lanza-Moment-brother-Adam-Lanza) is yet another contradiction:

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Thirty minutes later, New York police officers stormed the office. Between leaving his place of work and being taken in for questioning, Lanza defended himself in a series of bizarre Facebook posts when he was mistakenly named as the killer after his ID was found at the scene.

Lanza, 24, seemed unaware that his younger brother, Adam Lanza, had gunned down 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School, in Newtown before taking his own life.

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Ryan saw the news and flipped out:
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[link to tweetwood.com]

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Maybe it is simply sibling instinct to blame your younger brother WHEN not a single shred of evidense has actually fingered him at all.
 Quoting: Ghost Avatar 31762502


Looking through all these links I see no tweets that Ryan was accusing his brother of anything. The tweets/facebook just show Ryan saying it was not him.

As for this link:
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

the whole article seems to be contradicting itself and seems to be adding its own views.

example

Ryan Lanza was working at his desk at the Ernst & Young when he saw TV news reports that he had killed 30 people at an elementary school in Connecticut.

It was the moment that a stunned Ryan realized what his brother Adam might have done.


Above is paper embellishing the story instead of sticking to facts. Then they show a few huge pictures and follow with a complete contradiction of what they just reported.

Thirty minutes later, New York police officers stormed the office. Between leaving his place of work and being taken in for questioning, Lanza defended himself in a series of bizarre Facebook posts when he was mistakenly named as the killer after his ID was found at the scene.

Lanza, 24, seemed unaware that his younger brother, Adam Lanza, had gunned down 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School, in Newtown before taking his own life.[/i]
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Where does this timeline come from ? It cant be an official timeline because all evidence was sealed for 90 days. In this timeline you have 2 officers in the station when the call came in at 9:36 and three minutes they were on scene and chacing someone at 9:39
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9:36:42 "The entrance of the Sandy Hook School. The front glass has been broken and they're unsure why"
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in the record it looks like it is more a question from dispatcher:

"yes or no ... the front glass..?"
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Has anyone considered the possibility that the principal and psychologist were not the first ones killed, especially if somebody let the shooter(s) into the building?

It's been reported that Hochsprung and Sherlach were in a meeting when they heard shots fired. If someone let the shooter(s) into the building, then the first shots fired probably would have been in one of the classrooms, right?

Also, some of the kids escaped out the front entrance, but I don't recall their parents saying anything about them running past the dead principal and psychologist.

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