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All of this is so heretical that I really don't feel comfortable talking about Gnosticism. I'll leave that to you.

Because Gnosticism evolved over time, I have given you the earliest date that I know of with the Marconian Heresy of around 144 AD. They absorbed a lot. There were a lot groups developing texts. That doesn't mean that say the original Marconian Heresy believers were Gnostics. I doubt you can find a scholar to say that. They are the antecedants of Gnostic thought.

I'll leave you all to discuss this real noxious stuff.
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ok mr "mishmash " i hope that you know the origin of this word , that tell me all about your "origin" ! if you know what i mean , no offence ! your logic is great but your info(proves , facts) are lame, or you know that ! and you are a liar, but you can be actually a beliver because you don`t have the power to verify the facts so you are right in your oppinion (lie), !! BECAUSE YOUR DIRECT ANCESTORS MADE THIS mishmash WITH EARTH HISTORY DOCUMENTS !! ..try to dig a little dipper than 144 AD ok ? and be objective even the chosen people are not your ancestor !! have a good day ...by the way 144 AD was the year of "mutual" assasination of Cezar and Buerebistas both cousins from Alba Longa familly ! wow did you know that ?!!? ..noooo how come ? no roman Empire ?? wow ..nice try YHWH
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if you consider existence or happiness to be god, then there is a god. its not CASE CLOSED. it is based on the person. now if you're talking about an old guy sitting on a throne in the clouds, i think religions just tried to personify what god is because to this day people are too dumb to grasp the concept that god can exist but not be a single entity at the same time. as for the "stfu" comment, grow up kid, you sound like an idiot.
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All of this is so heretical that I really don't feel comfortable talking about Gnosticism. I'll leave that to you.

Because Gnosticism evolved over time, I have given you the earliest date that I know of with the Marconian Heresy of around 144 AD. They absorbed a lot. There were a lot groups developing texts. That doesn't mean that say the original Marconian Heresy believers were Gnostics. I doubt you can find a scholar to say that. They are the antecedants of Gnostic thought.

I'll leave you all to discuss this real noxious stuff.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid


ok mr "mishmash " i hope that you know the origin of this word , that tell me all about your "origin" ! if you know what i mean , no offence ! your logic is great but your info(proves , facts) are lame, or you know that ! and you are a liar, but you can be actually a beliver because you don`t have the power to verify the facts so you are right in your oppinion (lie), !! BECAUSE YOUR DIRECT ANCESTORS MADE THIS mishmash WITH EARTH HISTORY DOCUMENTS !! ..try to dig a little dipper than 144 AD ok ? and be objective even the chosen people are not your ancestor !! have a good day ...by the way 144 AD was the year of "mutual" assasination of Cezar and Buerebistas both cousins from Alba Longa familly ! wow did you know that ?!!? ..noooo how come ? no roman Empire ?? wow ..nice try YHWH
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sounds like powa! in voice chat..... who knows... everything in this life is 100% debaceable.....

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Atheists and Christians usually don't argue specifically if there is a God or there is not a God on this newsgroup.

We usually argue if Jesus Christ existed at all and if Jesus Christ is God.

We argue if the current cannoized Christian Bible is with error or completely without error.

Since the Bible is full of contradictions, we know for a fact that it is with error. Did Judas hang himself or did he fall to his death? A Christian appologist might say that he hanged and when he was cut down, his guts burst out. People who believe that the Bible is without error constantly make these kind of contrived appologies. One appology might seem o.k., but when Christians make thousands of appologies trying to say that the Bible is without error and says the same thing, then they are lying to themselves and to us.

Now God is a subjective thing. I can worship breasts and bottoms and money. God to many people is a person that has never lied and a person who hates slavery. Well we know from the Bible that Jesus lied. John 7:8-10. A Christian appologist would say he just changed his mind. "but as it were in secret" is pretty deceptive for God. Jesus also said beat slaves even though the slaves didn't know they were doing wrong. Luke 12:47-48. A Christian appologist would say that it is just a parable, a story. But a story teaches, and Jesus was teaching slavery. If he was God, the kind of God I would worship, he would say, free your slaves.

Jesus Christ was never even mentioned together before 325 a.d. Jesus wasn't even a person's name before then. In fact, we do know who wrote several parts of the Bible because we can study early versions of it and see how it changed. We can learn a lot of things by what was mentioned early on and what wasn't.

For example, the entire New Testament and Christianity is based on Revelation, a book on Astrology by Apollonius, which was never meant to be publically read. We know that Lucius Plutarchus who was a very famous Roman and royal historian, was the original Luke of the Bible because both men have the same personal history, born in the same town, died in the same place. We know that the travels of Paul (Apollonius) were really the conquest paths of Titus. And we know that the religion of Mythras later was turned into the religion of Christianity.
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we are taught to believe, and if you look at the word believe, be-lie-ve, we be lie, you'll see that it's just a lie so it's just better to know than to believe, that we may experience a certain object or event in such different ways, it is up to you how you interpret it, we are all here to experience and do it on our different ways so it is yours to interpret your experience and not someone else and yes, God, I'm my own God because I choose my own way, that makes no other God before me.
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02/07/2013 06:15 AM
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Let's get right to it.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.

All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".

How can I say all this with certainty?

BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.

No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.

Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.

A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.

SO--is there a GOD?

My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.

That's why I believe in God.

But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.

So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
fuckoff2
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


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02/07/2013 06:17 AM
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I can't believe cunts are still arguing this. Did any of you actually read the OP?
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I did read it.

I'm asking questions, how does that constitute an argument in your mind?

And what's your point?

Anything relevant to the topic, or are you just having a hissy fit?
 Quoting: philo-sophia


Please disregard the above remark. I retract, I was reading w/o glasses.

I agree with the both OPs of thread and subthread


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Its all based on faith and seeing God do miracles for you. You sometimes have to try a product before you know if it works or not!! I gave my life to Jesus Christ 38 years ago; and He works very well for me. I am no longer a sick and perverse sinner, and I no longer run the women and smoke pot and drink and party and live a very sinful life. And I have been married for 36 years with 2 wonderful sons. And I have seen Satan and his demons and my angels. And I have seen hundreds of medical miracles being performed when I have prayed for hundreds. So you have to try Christ before you knock Him and say that He doesn't exist. Or the ulternative is to die without Him and be scorching and cooking and frying and crying and weeping your head off for trillions and trillions of years, infinitum!!
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Let's get right to it.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.

All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".

How can I say all this with certainty?

BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.

No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.

Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.

A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.

SO--is there a GOD?

My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.

That's why I believe in God.

But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.

So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
fuckoff2
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


One thing is for certain: "God" didn't create man, man created "God".
 Quoting: ExoPoliChick


moot
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Let's get right to it.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.

All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".

How can I say all this with certainty?

BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.

No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.

Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.

A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.

SO--is there a GOD?

My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.

That's why I believe in God.

But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.

So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
fuckoff2
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


One thing is for certain: "God" didn't create man, man created "God".
 Quoting: ExoPoliChick


moot
 Quoting: philo-sophia


Absolutely not.
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I LOVE science and I LOVE space but I am hugely skeptical and don't trust a word NASA says.
philo-sophia

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Its all based on faith and seeing God do miracles for you. You sometimes have to try a product before you know if it works or not!! I gave my life to Jesus Christ 38 years ago; and He works very well for me. I am no longer a sick and perverse sinner, and I no longer run the women and smoke pot and drink and party and live a very sinful life. And I have been married for 36 years with 2 wonderful sons. And I have seen Satan and his demons and my angels. And I have seen hundreds of medical miracles being performed when I have prayed for hundreds. So you have to try Christ before you knock Him and say that He doesn't exist. Or the ulternative is to die without Him and be scorching and cooking and frying and crying and weeping your head off for trillions and trillions of years, infinitum!!
 Quoting: moses767


moot
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Let's get right to it.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.

All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".

How can I say all this with certainty?

BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.

No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.

Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.

A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.

SO--is there a GOD?

My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.

That's why I believe in God.

But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.

So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
fuckoff2
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


One thing is for certain: "God" didn't create man, man created "God".
 Quoting: ExoPoliChick


moot
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Absolutely not.
 Quoting: ExoPoliChick

scroll up to the last page, read my posts please. Then address the problem

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Its all based on faith and seeing God do miracles for you. You sometimes have to try a product before you know if it works or not!! I gave my life to Jesus Christ 38 years ago; and He works very well for me. I am no longer a sick and perverse sinner, and I no longer run the women and smoke pot and drink and party and live a very sinful life. And I have been married for 36 years with 2 wonderful sons. And I have seen Satan and his demons and my angels. And I have seen hundreds of medical miracles being performed when I have prayed for hundreds. So you have to try Christ before you knock Him and say that He doesn't exist. Or the ulternative is to die without Him and be scorching and cooking and frying and crying and weeping your head off for trillions and trillions of years, infinitum!!
 Quoting: moses767


moot
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When you are cooking and frying and weeping and wailing perfusely forever and ever, then lets see if it is a moot subject. I will gurantee that you will wish that you had listened and will hate yourself, much more than you will hate God!!
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Its all based on faith and seeing God do miracles for you. You sometimes have to try a product before you know if it works or not!! I gave my life to Jesus Christ 38 years ago; and He works very well for me. I am no longer a sick and perverse sinner, and I no longer run the women and smoke pot and drink and party and live a very sinful life. And I have been married for 36 years with 2 wonderful sons. And I have seen Satan and his demons and my angels. And I have seen hundreds of medical miracles being performed when I have prayed for hundreds. So you have to try Christ before you knock Him and say that He doesn't exist. Or the ulternative is to die without Him and be scorching and cooking and frying and crying and weeping your head off for trillions and trillions of years, infinitum!!
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MOOT and meaningless, cool story tho
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Its all based on faith and seeing God do miracles for you. You sometimes have to try a product before you know if it works or not!! I gave my life to Jesus Christ 38 years ago; and He works very well for me. I am no longer a sick and perverse sinner, and I no longer run the women and smoke pot and drink and party and live a very sinful life. And I have been married for 36 years with 2 wonderful sons. And I have seen Satan and his demons and my angels. And I have seen hundreds of medical miracles being performed when I have prayed for hundreds. So you have to try Christ before you knock Him and say that He doesn't exist. Or the ulternative is to die without Him and be scorching and cooking and frying and crying and weeping your head off for trillions and trillions of years, infinitum!!
 Quoting: moses767


moot
 Quoting: philo-sophia


When you are cooking and frying and weeping and wailing perfusely forever and ever, then lets see if it is a moot subject. I will gurantee that you will wish that you had listened and will hate yourself, much more than you will hate God!!
 Quoting: moses767


assumption and still moot

Not interested in your beliefs and spin. Your god means nothing to me.
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Its all based on faith and seeing God do miracles for you. You sometimes have to try a product before you know if it works or not!! I gave my life to Jesus Christ 38 years ago; and He works very well for me. I am no longer a sick and perverse sinner, and I no longer run the women and smoke pot and drink and party and live a very sinful life. And I have been married for 36 years with 2 wonderful sons. And I have seen Satan and his demons and my angels. And I have seen hundreds of medical miracles being performed when I have prayed for hundreds. So you have to try Christ before you knock Him and say that He doesn't exist. Or the ulternative is to die without Him and be scorching and cooking and frying and crying and weeping your head off for trillions and trillions of years, infinitum!!
 Quoting: moses767


moot
 Quoting: philo-sophia


When you are cooking and frying and weeping and wailing perfusely forever and ever, then lets see if it is a moot subject. I will gurantee that you will wish that you had listened and will hate yourself, much more than you will hate God!!
 Quoting: moses767


zombie alert
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we are taught to believe, and if you look at the word believe, be-lie-ve, we be lie, you'll see that it's just a lie so it's just better to know than to believe, that we may experience a certain object or event in such different ways, it is up to you how you interpret it, we are all here to experience and do it on our different ways so it is yours to interpret your experience and not someone else and yes, God, I'm my own God because I choose my own way, that makes no other God before me.
 Quoting: I am God 26578528


What's the point of belief? If I believe that 2 + 2 = 5, does that make it true? Is Reality altered to accommodate my belief?

Believing something is true doesn't make it so.


Here's some Mark Twain:

It isn't what we don't know that's necessarily dangerous to us, it is what we do know, that just isn't so.
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Atheists and Christians usually don't argue specifically if there is a God or there is not a God on this newsgroup.
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That is only because other topics are the majority of threads.

We usually argue if Jesus Christ existed at all and if Jesus Christ is God.
 Quoting:

Christians aren't in full agreement on any of that.

We argue if the current cannoized Christian Bible is with error or completely without error.
 Quoting:

Lets go without error as that means all the parts should fit together quite nicely. The alternative only requires 1 verse to understand what to do if god is not real and the dead do not come back from the grave.

Since the Bible is full of contradictions, we know for a fact that it is with error. Did Judas hang himself or did he fall to his death? A Christian appologist might say that he hanged and when he was cut down, his guts burst out. People who believe that the Bible is without error constantly make these kind of contrived appologies. One appology might seem o.k., but when Christians make thousands of appologies trying to say that the Bible is without error and says the same thing, then they are lying to themselves and to us.
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Would that be 'apparent contradictions' that make it impossible for some people to reject the words in the book. Hopefully I have covered most of those and must have come up with some reasonable answer in order to believe in the book as meaning what it ways literally.

Judas hung himself and the branch he used was to a tree that was on the edge of a cliff, when he stepped off the edge and the roped snapped his neck the shock broke the branch and he fell to the bottom of the cliff where his stomach exploded on impact. That is how blending works. A more complicated example is what happened on the day of the resurrection starting with Mary m. running ahead of the main group and up until the baptism that first night when Thomas was not there.

Now God is a subjective thing. I can worship breasts and bottoms and money. God to many people is a person that has never lied and a person who hates slavery. Well we know from the Bible that Jesus lied. John 7:8-10. A Christian appologist would say he just changed his mind. "but as it were in secret" is pretty deceptive for God. Jesus also said beat slaves even though the slaves didn't know they were doing wrong. Luke 12:47-48. A Christian appologist would say that it is just a parable, a story. But a story teaches, and Jesus was teaching slavery. If he was God, the kind of God I would worship, he would say, free your slaves.
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God put everything created under some sort of Law. It is made very clear that He is the potter and we are the clay so there is never a time we are not 'slaves'. Granted there is supposed to be something called a 'happy slave', .. just sayin ...

What went wrong was something many generations back, we are living with the consequences rather than us being the cause of death in general.

Jesus Christ was never even mentioned together before 325 a.d. Jesus wasn't even a person's name before then. In fact, we do know who wrote several parts of the Bible because we can study early versions of it and see how it changed. We can learn a lot of things by what was mentioned early on and what wasn't.
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Proverbs 8 is Christ's resume as being the only perfect judge. His witness of creation is how far back He is an eye-witness to things and that is the amount of knowledge He uses when making judgments. Not agreeing with that does not make it untrue.

For example, the entire New Testament and Christianity is based on Revelation, a book on Astrology by Apollonius, which was never meant to be publically read. We know that Lucius Plutarchus who was a very famous Roman and royal historian, was the original Luke of the Bible because both men have the same personal history, born in the same town, died in the same place. We know that the travels of Paul (Apollonius) were really the conquest paths of Titus. And we know that the religion of Mythras later was turned into the religion of Christianity.
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Revelation covers that events that result in all things to do with the bruise to the serpents head. That is completed when the words, "It is done." are spoken as given in Re:16. Sin and death cease to interfere with men at any point after that.
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I did post this before, so do not be annoyed if you read this, again. In Genesis 1:26 God seems to suggest that we live in a simulation of a real world with the words: "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness." On Simulation-argument.com Professor Nick Bostrom argues that at least one of the following must be true:
- The human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a posthuman stage.
- Any posthuman civilisation is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history (or variations thereof).
- We are almost certainly living in a computer simulation.

Based on the argument above, it is likely that the universe is a virtual reality. Humans have an inclination to build simulations. It is also likely that humans developed an advanced civilisation that is able to build virtual realities long ago so humans are not likely to go extinct before reaching a posthuman stage. There have been billions of years in which humanity could have become an advanced civilisation that is able to build virtual realities, so the likelihood of humanity entering this phase in this specific timeframe is small, compared to any timeframe in the past. It is therefore reasonable to assume that we are almost certainly living in a computer simulation.

The assumption that this universe is a virtual reality can be supported with the following findings:
- Technology like the holodeck appears to be feasible less than a century from now, while humans are inclined make virtual realities with simulations of humans. Billions of virtual realities like this universe may exist, so it is unlikely that this universe is real.
- The existence of synchronicity and coincidences indicates that there is a script behind all events.
- In a virtual reality supernatural and paranormal events are possible.
- In a virtual reality miracles are possible that seem to defy the laws of nature as have been described in The Bible.

The assumption that this virtual reality is owned by someone we call God can be supported with the following findings:
- In Genesis 1:26 God seems to suggest that we live in a copy of a real world with the words: "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness."
- Even though there have been thousands of gods and goddesses worshipped in the past, none of them presented himself or herself, except one.
- It is unlikely that by pure chance a religion of a small and often dispersed people survived for more than 1,500 years and then became the basis for three major world religions, while it has been foretold to Abraham that all the peoples will be blessed in him (Gen. 18:17-18).

See (The Universe As a Virtual Reality, link below).

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Let's get right to it.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.

All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".

How can I say all this with certainty?

BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.

No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.

Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.

A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.

SO--is there a GOD?

My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.

That's why I believe in God.

But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.

So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
fuckoff2
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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One thing is for certain: "God" didn't create man, man created "God".
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moot
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Absolutely not.
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man created religion (belief system/ideology)
and the religious created their notions, stacked the deck, pigeon holed the discourse (false dichotomy), shoved it down everyone's throat, forced the issue and therein lies the problem.

Theism is belief, and so is atheism.

NON- theism, and agnosticism

Its all BS until proven otherwise.



Philosophy has no use of this discourse. Pure religious diatribe.
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we are taught to believe, and if you look at the word believe, be-lie-ve, we be lie, you'll see that it's just a lie so it's just better to know than to believe, that we may experience a certain object or event in such different ways, it is up to you how you interpret it, we are all here to experience and do it on our different ways so it is yours to interpret your experience and not someone else and yes, God, I'm my own God because I choose my own way, that makes no other God before me.
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What's the point of belief? If I believe that 2 + 2 = 5, does that make it true? Is Reality altered to accommodate my belief?

Believing something is true doesn't make it so.


Here's some Mark Twain:

It isn't what we don't know that's necessarily dangerous to us, it is what we do know, that just isn't so.
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that's why I choose to just Know. What others think is true or not does not make it real. You create your own truth thus your own reality
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Its all based on faith and seeing God do miracles for you. You sometimes have to try a product before you know if it works or not!! I gave my life to Jesus Christ 38 years ago; and He works very well for me. I am no longer a sick and perverse sinner, and I no longer run the women and smoke pot and drink and party and live a very sinful life. And I have been married for 36 years with 2 wonderful sons. And I have seen Satan and his demons and my angels. And I have seen hundreds of medical miracles being performed when I have prayed for hundreds. So you have to try Christ before you knock Him and say that He doesn't exist. Or the ulternative is to die without Him and be scorching and cooking and frying and crying and weeping your head off for trillions and trillions of years, infinitum!!
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moot
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When you are cooking and frying and weeping and wailing perfusely forever and ever, then lets see if it is a moot subject. I will gurantee that you will wish that you had listened and will hate yourself, much more than you will hate God!!
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Fear mongering, coercive psychologist, demagoguery and unethical. Sending people to not just to hell, but eternal damnation for not sharing your belief (delusion) and throwing that trip onto others. You are the worst of the worst. To associate you with a class would be an insult to the class.

Since you roll that way, back at you.

My Religion and My God insist that 2 + 2 = 5, and if you don't repent from believing in 2 + 2 = 4, Then you will endure unimaginable sufferring forever and ever. Because I say so.

A made up religion, just like all the rest, yet you rubes get duped.
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We are all connected

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There is no god.

You live, you die, it's all over.

Get over it.s226
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It takes more faith to believe in Evolution than in intelligent design.
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There is no god.

You live, you die, it's all over.

Get over it.s226
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It takes more faith to believe in Evolution than in intelligent design.
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you'll know when you pass..

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Let the wicked follow the sinful path bro's and sisters, God helps them to follow that path he knows they're lost forever, nothing we can do except for some of our bro's and sisters that were chosen to spread the last warning of God, the seventh trumpet will be blown timely, we have done our job yet, let the stupid wicked fall and be decived, it's not our fuckin' business anymore.

God Bless.
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We are all connected


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Excellent.

This what I was theorizing and going with my hypothesis on the previous page. QM forget the chaos theory, just the fractal math

Quantum mechanics

Quantum mechanics


Quantum mechanics



This is still theory, not fact. Its not fact until it is repeatedly observed with predictable results, which can tested, checked and cross checked, validated and verified.

At least that's what my uncle says, he's a test engineer. (I'm new here, hi tards)



Since we don't have the facts, how can we "know" and have "knowledge" ?

No knowledge, therefore agnosticism is the correct approach.

Something might be true, or it could just as easily be false
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OP, what you fail to realize is that there really is no debate, there is simply what is - which is the fact that we live in a world and universe that is beyond our reckoning, and that the many synchronicities, coincidences, and supernatural occurrences all point to a design with an intelligent creator.

You apparently want the debate to end because logic has failed to produce proof of what you seek, as in something tangible that makes sense to you. You are far too dependent on worldly things, that you need this proof. Life was meant to be lived and learned from, to love and be loved, and to become a good person. Even if I didn't believe in God, that would be enough.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

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