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Great thread thx OP.

I am sick of the two loudmouths. The church of Christ and the Church of Atheism are both fucking stupid, closed minded and way too prominent for their worth.

Fuck off somewhere and argue with each other to death. Let the rest of the open minded world share ideas with each other without your stink.

Every time I discuss ideas of spirituality and reality there is always one of you butting in with your asinine dogmatic bullshit.
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That's it, "ALL" atheists go to hell since they do not bow down to the King of Kings the only God Jesus Christ.
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Two sides of the same.

Janus-January

Sun worship.

Divide(the mind) and conquer is so easy and simple, yet appears as chaotic so it works. Theater. And easy.

Scientific materialism, religion.....zombies in kindergarten.


Nothing exists outside of measurement...and yes, if you beLIEve that you'll burn in hell you probably will.

Duh, if you have only light what do you get?
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Great thread thx OP.

I am sick of the two loudmouths. The church of Christ and the Church of Atheism are both fucking stupid, closed minded and way too prominent for their worth.

Fuck off somewhere and argue with each other to death. Let the rest of the open minded world share ideas with each other without your stink.

Every time I discuss ideas of spirituality and reality there is always one of you butting in with your asinine dogmatic bullshit.
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clappa
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That's it, "ALL" atheists go to hell since they do not bow down to the King of Kings the only God Jesus Christ.
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stfu
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Let's get right to it.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.

All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".

How can I say all this with certainty?

BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.

No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.

Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.

A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.

SO--is there a GOD?

My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.

That's why I believe in God.

But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.

So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
fuckoff2
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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How about this... everyone stop shoving their personal beliefs into other people's faces and just keep your own beliefs to yourself and close loved ones? If everyone did that..we would see far far less fighting and bickering going on. I am a Christian but one thing i learned and learned quite quickly is that shoving my own beliefs into someone else face does more harm than good.

Although there are certain people that "DO" have a calling by God to spread the gospel...problem is..far too many people believe they are the one to do this task when they really are not. The only people or Christians that i know that truly had a calling from God were people that truly were 100% obedient to God and lived their life 24/7 close to God...and that requires a life quite similar to the Amish in all honesty because the Amish separates from the world..they do not partake in it very much... most Christians i see...only worship and give God their time on Sunday..that is it. They havent got a clue to what it requires to serve God..very few Christians do in all honesty.

Truth is..i get alone far better with unbelievers than i do with other Christians because they are not hypocrites and do not pretend to be some super uber Holy person...in fact it clearly says that it is better to never know God than to know him and indulge in sin and go about willfully sinning,etc,etc,etc ....

Even myself i must examine myself each day to make sure i watch myself closely but honestly i do not trust myself..i do not trust my "fleshly" desires and it is quite hard to keep that in check. Very few Christians are "real" Christians...that is why it says the gate is narrow...there is a VERY BIG meaning to that...that just fly's past most Christians.

Like i said..if everyone would just keep their mouth shut and do their thing with God alone in their prayer closet...this would would be so much better and if Atheists would stop bashing Christians and picking on them..this world would be so much better...although i am not generalizing because not all people are like this...but quite a few are, unfortunately.
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One more thing.. Christians do not have "real" faith in God..at least most of them. Like i said..it takes a special calling from God to tell a human that his duty is to spread the Gospel..but because people have a lack of faith in God...they feel the need to pressure their children, loved one's and friends, strangers,etc into their personal beliefs...but they fail greatly with one thing...their faith in God that God has it all under control. God will make it happen in due time for those unbelievers. Having faith in God knowing that God will make a way for that unbeliever to know him, to learn what God is really about but because a lot of Christians have a severe lack of faith in God..they try and do it under their own power rather than just trusting in God that in due time on God's watch...he will introduce himself to those unbelievers sooner or later..when God feels it is time for that person to know God.
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About damned time someone else said this.

Religion vs. Atheism: two competing mythologies.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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About damned time someone else said this.

Religion vs. Atheism: two competing mythologies.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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Correct because the belief in Christ is not a religion, it is a praise and worship for the Creator of the Universe.

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About damned time someone else said this.

Religion vs. Atheism: two competing mythologies.

Nothing more, nothing less.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10077558


Correct because the belief in Christ is not a religion, it is a praise and worship for the Creator of the Universe.

[link to www.godhatesfags.com]
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OK, prove it !!!!
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Correct because the belief in Christ is not a religion, it is a praise and worship for the Creator of the Universe.
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That one bolded word makes it a religion.
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How about this... everyone stop shoving their personal beliefs into other people's faces and just keep your own beliefs to yourself and close loved ones? If everyone did that..
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So telling the world what to do is just fine as long as you are the one giving the 'orders', how very humble of you lol.
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A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.


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Nobody "lacks a belief". Everyone has a belief.
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Well if Jesus existed then how can anyone question whether God exists!!!
Case closed! Jesus existed therefore God exists.

Why is it that everything in Revelations is coming to pass!!

There is no doubting!!
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Well if Jesus existed then how can anyone question whether God exists!!!
Case closed! Jesus existed therefore God exists.

Why is it that everything in Revelations is coming to pass!!

There is no doubting!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1743891


When we give someone the gospel and they reject it, you are to shake the dust off your feet and go on because you have done all that God has required of you to do for that person. You are then not responsible for their not knowing about God. It is up to us to tell them, then they have the responsibility for their own decisions after they know what is right
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Let's get right to it.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.

All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".

How can I say all this with certainty?

BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.

No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.

Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.

A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.

SO--is there a GOD?

My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.

That's why I believe in God.

But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.

So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
fuckoff2
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


I wish i would have a similar experience that would make at least myself know about ...

All i have is empty boxes.
The boxes of proof, the things i actually know, dont make room for some spiritual being that cannot be grabbed in my now and yet. Thats the reason why i dont belive in things, other people telling me.

Knowledge > belive.

At least i know about empty boxes.
I feel blessed about that already, i know that im missing knowledge but because i know, there is something missing in the boxes (take the boxes as knowledge) i have no idea, how to describe that with just words.

Gobekli Tepe and so on, thats what i know.

All things i have learned, known and experienced, NONE of them EVER hat a logical connection to something like a god.
Over that, i found the bible story serveral time over a long past in different countries, back to 20k B.C. .
It looks more and more like a control mechanic for humans.
Torture me enuff and i belive in anything ... but that doesnt make it real, does it ?

Nevertheless, i know about preset genetics, someone had to "do" it, commonly known as "god" ... fun ^^
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Let's get right to it.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.

All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".

How can I say all this with certainty?

BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.

No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.

Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.

A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.

SO--is there a GOD?

My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.

That's why I believe in God.

But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.

So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
fuckoff2
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


You are what happened when a member of the Three Stooges saw a mouse:

Moe-Ran!stfu
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A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.


 Quoting: simultaneous_final
Nobody "lacks a belief". Everyone has a belief.
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Of course, the atheistards are spewing their religion all over the net more than Christians do.
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About damned time someone else said this.

Religion vs. Atheism: two competing mythologies.

Nothing more, nothing less.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10077558


Correct because the belief in Christ is not a religion, it is a praise and worship for the Creator of the Universe.

[link to www.godhatesfags.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34441843


sounds like religious noise already.

What's the point in believing in a fictitious character?

You know it's all made up noise. That's why you can't back anything you sockpuppet say.
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Don't believe anything...
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Do your own research...and get your own uncle.
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A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.


 Quoting: simultaneous_final
Nobody "lacks a belief". Everyone has a belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427150


Of course, the atheistards are spewing their religion all over the net more than Christians do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34441843


Wrong, the christians have a co-dependent need to propagate their fear-mongering nonsense to all points, near and far.
[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]

Don't believe anything...
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
[link to www.nobeliefs.com]

Do your own research...and get your own uncle.
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1.) Experiential data - No such term
2.) Atheists don't do anything other than tell you religious types to either prove it or shut up already
3.) Science has already completely explain all superstitious thought and all religious experience
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Let's get right to it.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.

All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".

How can I say all this with certainty?

BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.

No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.

Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.

A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.

SO--is there a GOD?

My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.

That's why I believe in God.

But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.

So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
fuckoff2
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


I wish i would have a similar experience that would make at least myself know about ...

All i have is empty boxes.
The boxes of proof, the things i actually know, dont make room for some spiritual being that cannot be grabbed in my now and yet. Thats the reason why i dont belive in things, other people telling me.

Knowledge > belive.

At least i know about empty boxes.
I feel blessed about that already, i know that im missing knowledge but because i know, there is something missing in the boxes (take the boxes as knowledge) i have no idea, how to describe that with just words.

Gobekli Tepe and so on, thats what i know.

All things i have learned, known and experienced, NONE of them EVER hat a logical connection to something like a god.
Over that, i found the bible story serveral time over a long past in different countries, back to 20k B.C. .
It looks more and more like a control mechanic for humans.
Torture me enuff and i belive in anything ... but that doesnt make it real, does it ?

Nevertheless, i know about preset genetics, someone had to "do" it, commonly known as "god" ... fun ^^
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34438160


That's because god is non-deterministic, just like the GLP effect.

Therefore, god is meaningless and useless.

One more thing,

Quantum Mechanics displaces any role that god may play, whatever that may be.
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Don't believe anything...
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
[link to www.nobeliefs.com]

Do your own research...and get your own uncle.
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A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.


 Quoting: simultaneous_final
Nobody "lacks a belief". Everyone has a belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427150


Of course, the atheistards are spewing their religion all over the net more than Christians do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34441843


Wrong, the christians have a co-dependent need to propagate their fear-mongering nonsense to all points, near and far.
 Quoting: step-n-repeat


Co-dependent? As if God is dependent of fear propagation.

Try to fix your brain a bit.
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Let's get right to it.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.

All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".

How can I say all this with certainty?

BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.

No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.

Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.

A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.

SO--is there a GOD?

My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.

That's why I believe in God.

But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.

So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
fuckoff2
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


I wish i would have a similar experience that would make at least myself know about ...

All i have is empty boxes.
The boxes of proof, the things i actually know, dont make room for some spiritual being that cannot be grabbed in my now and yet. Thats the reason why i dont belive in things, other people telling me.

Knowledge > belive.

At least i know about empty boxes.
I feel blessed about that already, i know that im missing knowledge but because i know, there is something missing in the boxes (take the boxes as knowledge) i have no idea, how to describe that with just words.

Gobekli Tepe and so on, thats what i know.

All things i have learned, known and experienced, NONE of them EVER hat a logical connection to something like a god.
Over that, i found the bible story serveral time over a long past in different countries, back to 20k B.C. .
It looks more and more like a control mechanic for humans.
Torture me enuff and i belive in anything ... but that doesnt make it real, does it ?

Nevertheless, i know about preset genetics, someone had to "do" it, commonly known as "god" ... fun ^^
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34438160


That's because god is non-deterministic, just like the GLP effect.

Therefore, god is meaningless and useless.

One more thing,

Quantum Mechanics displaces any role that god may play, whatever that may be.
 Quoting: step-n-repeat


What a pure ape logic none sense.
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Well if Jesus existed then how can anyone question whether God exists!!!
Case closed! Jesus existed therefore God exists.

Why is it that everything in Revelations is coming to pass!!

There is no doubting!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1743891


Even if the person Jesus Christ existed then it still doesn't prove that he could turn water in to wine or preform any miracles at all. Nor that the Bible is literal word of God (remember not 1 chapter was even written by Jesus, or even written during his lifetime).

Also there is actually more evidence Mohammed actually existed then Jesus of which there are only 2 vague (not definitive) references outside the Bible, not a single one even contemporary. Does this make Islam "more correct" then Christianity? If not then why would you make this argument in the first place?
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Nobody "lacks a belief". Everyone has a belief.
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Of course, the atheistards are spewing their religion all over the net more than Christians do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34441843


Wrong, the christians have a co-dependent need to propagate their fear-mongering nonsense to all points, near and far.
 Quoting: step-n-repeat


Co-dependent? As if God is dependent of fear propagation.

Try to fix your brain a bit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34441843


Have you read the old testament? Or the book of revelations in the NT?

Pure fear propaganda.
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1.) Experiential data - No such term
2.) Atheists don't do anything other than tell you religious types to either prove it or shut up already
3.) Science has already completely explain all superstitious thought and all religious experience
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As a science/engineer type myself, I completely disagree.

How could that be possible?

When

god can't be objectively observed
god is non-deterministic
and god is a yet to be defined foggy notion, with different notions of the foggy notion, from different schools of "thought"

then
how is possible? show me the way?

Having worked with test engineers in a laboratory setting myself, I see no possible way that science could possibly arrive at any conclusions, or even initial findings, for that matter. Methodology is a problem, and how would you begin analysis, qualitatively or quantitatively? where would you begin? how would you explain the results? Validate, verify, check, cross-check, etc.

Sorry. I'd rather run tests for rocks on mars, before I begin testing for theory of a vague notion in someone else's imagination.

I personally would start with psychology, and NOT science.

Now, if you said:

Quantum Mechanics alone renders any notion of god moot. Then I would have to agree, as I've already arrived to the same conclusion.
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