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Message Subject Thread for Atheists & Christians - STFU
Poster Handle simultaneous_final
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Not... We are talking about RELATIVISM and EXISTENCIALISM

all are relative to the being... the one that is supposed to be...

and therefore, the reality is not true until it comes agknwledged as true by the being... so the reality is not a fact by itself...

THIS is the MISTAKE... the reality is OUT THERE ***(1)*** (being or not being to acknowledge it)

and even the BEING (a human) did not make itself...***(2)***

so, it comes from an EXTERNAL CAUSE...***(3)*** THE BEING CREATOR AND NOT CREATED BY ANYONE.***(4)***


You're thinking of solipsism.

And while it is a philosophy which can never be verified or falsified (look it up), it is NOT what I'm saying. Solipsism goes so far as to ASSERT that the self IS all that exists.

What I'm saying is that the self is all that can be KNOWN to exist.

NOTHING leads to "knowledge" in the strictest sense of the word.

"Knowledge", in the strict sense, of ANYTHING other than your moment-to-moment "self" is unattainable.

If you can think of anything else that can be "known" (in the strict sense), then let's hear it. But remember, it only takes one exception to falsify it.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33041105

(1) You can not prove this. Go ahead and try.

(2) You are ASSUMING that you were "made". See also (4)

(3) But you can't prove that anything IS "external" to you. Try.

(4) You ASSUME that you were "made" but now you say that a certain being can have no maker. How do you know YOU'RE not that being?
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