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Message Subject Thread for Atheists & Christians - STFU
Poster Handle simultaneous_final
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Your quotes are the SIMPTOM of the disease:

RELATIVISM

and have a proof of the epic fail of your mistaken philosophycal system.

we are here, now and the knowledge is not possible, but an evidence by itself...

U can ARGUE anything about to deny the existence of the reality outside you... but, the reality will continue his existence even if u disaprove it.

Try to deny the existence of the reality and u will be on the funny house (sooner or latter!)


Not... We are talking about RELATIVISM and EXISTENCIALISM

all are relative to the being... the one that is supposed to be...

and therefore, the reality is not true until it comes agknwledged as true by the being... so the reality is not a fact by itself...

THIS is the MISTAKE... the reality is OUT THERE ***(1)*** (being or not being to acknowledge it)

and even the BEING (a human) did not make itself...***(2)***

so, it comes from an EXTERNAL CAUSE...***(3)*** THE BEING CREATOR AND NOT CREATED BY ANYONE.***(4)***

GOD.

You're thinking of solipsism.

And while it is a philosophy which can never be verified or falsified (look it up), it is NOT what I'm saying. Solipsism goes so far as to ASSERT that the self IS all that exists.

What I'm saying is that the self is all that can be KNOWN to exist.

NOTHING leads to "knowledge" in the strictest sense of the word.

"Knowledge", in the strict sense, of ANYTHING other than your moment-to-moment "self" is unattainable.

If you can think of anything else that can be "known" (in the strict sense), then let's hear it. But remember, it only takes one exception to falsify it.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33041105


(1) You can not prove this. Go ahead and try.

(2) You are ASSUMING that you were "made". See also (4)

(3) But you can't prove that anything IS "external" to you. Try.

(4) You ASSUME that you were "made" but now you say that a certain being can have no maker. How do you know YOU'RE not that being?
 Quoting: simultaneous_final

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33041105


Indeed I can. This is why the existence of anything external can NOT be known. It seems we agree on something.

I wonder if you were as insistant on the validity of the "external world" while you dreamed of wild and convoluted things which seemed normal at the time.
 
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