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Message Subject Thread for Atheists & Christians - STFU
Poster Handle Anonymous Coward
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Your Christian religion has also led you down erroneous religious paths. Jesus did not start the Christian religion; his followers did many years after the fact. Jesus cannot save you; you must save yourself, and you do that according to how you live your life. Jesus did not die for your sins; your sins are your own, not his. He died to show you that there is no death; that is what Lazarus and the resurrection is all about. But your religion does not want you to know that because then they would have no power over you. As it is now, the church holds you in life-long fear that you will rot in hell if you don't obey the church's commands. The CHURCH'S commands, not God's commands. The church commands you by putting words in God's mouth. Is that the kind of bogus faith you want?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24392638

Jesus did begin a religious movement which began as soon as he begin preaching. We know that from the disciples who He immediately attracted.

What you're discussing is the state religion of Constantine which I admit happened far later. Prior is was a tiny movement.

Jesus by definition by dying on the Cross was done to redeem the whole world. He said it many times. That is the basis for Christianity, and if He didn't come back three days later and ressurected then it wouldn't be a religion. You don't understand much about Christian belief, do you?

If you're proposing your own belief system, then instead you should explain that carefully, not interweave Jesus within your idea. You should expand upon this self-saving, for what you say is not clear.

Are you a Gnostic, because it sounds like it?
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid

Tell me where Jesus said he was going to redeem the world from the cross...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24392638

Here -- one where he clearly points back to the prophecies of the Old Testament. There are more.

Luke 24:44-48

He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini

So you're going to believe the words written 50-100 years after the fact that Jesus said this or that? More like someone put those words in his mouth.

Actually, Jesus "supposedly" said only these things from the cross:

"Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."

(to one of the criminals) "Truly I say to you, you will be with me in paradise."

(to his mother) "Woman, this is your son." (to the disciple) "This is your mother." (John 19:26-27)

"My God, why have you forsaken me?"

"I thirst."

"It is finished." (He dies)
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