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uk bedroom tax,the road to riots

 
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People better be on guard, how long will it be before they start taxing the spare seats in your cars?!
I see most cars have four or so spare seats and only one occupant, It will benefit the environment thought, so not necessarily a bad thing.
Unused clothes and shoes in the wardrobe, uneaten food in the cupboard, or a tax on the fill level of your food waste bins... unused parking space next to your homes...
Why do you think they relaxed the building regulations on extensions and conservatories, they intend to tax them later.
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in other words: we have no more room for the new wave of romanian and bulgarian eu migrants, so let them lodge in your spare room or we will kick you out.
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in fact, the government will kick you out into a one bedroom high rise shithole flat where all of the eastern european migrants are, and they will be given YOUR home instead.

i swear, if that happens, there will be riots and bloodshed everywhere.
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People better be on guard, how long will it be before they start taxing the spare seats in your cars?!
I see most cars have four or so spare seats and only one occupant, It will benefit the environment thought, so not necessarily a bad thing.
Unused clothes and shoes in the wardrobe, uneaten food in the cupboard, or a tax on the fill level of your food waste bins... unused parking space next to your homes...
Why do you think they relaxed the building regulations on extensions and conservatories, they intend to tax them later.
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I could swear there was already some sort of uneaten food tax in the works.
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02/07/2013 06:07 PM
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No. I'm the guy that pointed out the money has no meaning (other to control you), on the previous page.
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Well, duh.
In behavioral psychology we call it a token economy.
 Quoting: The Lump Under the Carpet


And yet you have such strong views on it? Only a buffoon would have strong views *within* this made up subject, ergo you are a buffoon. Congratulations!
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Just remember all you entitlement retards who will be protesting..... you will probably be the first people the police horses trample to death and the first people screaming and complaining at the TV cameras about how they cant do this to you when the rubber bullets, water canons and tear gas starts flying.

The government wont listen to you because they dont give a fuck what you think, all they ever wanted was your votes and now the money has ran out they dont give a shit what you smash up, but they will beat the shit out of you till you learn your place.

They'll probably float ships on the thames to use as prisons for you retards.

Deal with it plebs. Oh and dont forget, you ruined it for all of us.

If on the off chance you listen to any advice and i doubt you will, hedge your wealth now and when the collapse comes shut the fuck up, play dumb, dont take sides and look just as hungry and down as everybody else.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33792358


Oh and when you say that cant happen here, tell that to the people who got trampled in the poll tax protests, or the miners, or the people in front of the horse charge in the 2010 student fees protests, or the london riots.

You dont think the media will tell the truth or take your side, they'll do what they did at hillsborough or the poll tax protests. Or they'll blame anarchists and whoever else for starting violence.

Take my advice and stay the fuck away from protests.
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02/07/2013 06:08 PM
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Meh. The UK has a TV tax, with vans which drive around looking unlicensed TVs to fine any offenders.

Do you expect your governments to be all reasonable and shit? Some highly-paid consultant found a way to squeeze more money out of the taxpayer and this is what you're stuck with.

If you have a spare bedroom in your house that you own or rent which is being used as a study or a studio or whatever, the government is mandating that you pay them more tribute for the privilege of having that room. If you don't wish to pay, then you can move all your expensive computer equipment or photography gear or DJing kit into the living room and then invite some stranger to sublet the room from from you. Your choices are - 1. Pay the tribute or 2. rent it out to someone.

Yep, this'll end well.

I'm with the OP, when a government starts mandating how you live in your own home, then that government needs to be brought down a peg or two and realise who funds their generous pension plan.

While you're rioting about that, don't forget to riot about the TV tax thing - that's fucking outrageous.
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People better be on guard, how long will it be before they start taxing the spare seats in your cars?!
I see most cars have four or so spare seats and only one occupant, It will benefit the environment thought, so not necessarily a bad thing.
Unused clothes and shoes in the wardrobe, uneaten food in the cupboard, or a tax on the fill level of your food waste bins... unused parking space next to your homes...
Why do you think they relaxed the building regulations on extensions and conservatories, they intend to tax them later.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33889925


I could swear there was already some sort of uneaten food tax in the works.
[link to bites.today.com]
 Quoting: The Lump Under the Carpet


You couldn't make it up, priceless. It will need to be buffet only so you eat only what you can and pay per item eaten... how awful.
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02/07/2013 06:10 PM
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No. I'm the guy that pointed out the money has no meaning (other to control you), on the previous page.
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Well, duh.
In behavioral psychology we call it a token economy.
 Quoting: The Lump Under the Carpet


And yet you have such strong views on it? Only a buffoon would have strong views *within* this made up subject, ergo you are a buffoon. Congratulations!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23900733


I do not like people that take from others and then do now want to give to others, that is all.
I hate the destruction of community as well.

You new here?
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02/07/2013 06:11 PM
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Why oh why does everyone get tared with the same brush, i am on benefits because i have a spinal problem, i,m 6ft 4 tall, left school in 1976 joined the army did 5 years service, left and was a gravedigger for 3 yrs, got made redundant for a JCB, got factory work and did that for25 yrs, bending over benches that was too small, now my back is ruined,i claim ESA, i dont drink or smoke or do drugs, i cant afford to go out every week, and have not had a holiday in 10 years, but you all lump me into the same boat, i am just a scrounger, i feel really terrible that i cant support myself and contribute to society, and this last few years i dont like going outside because of the guilt i feel, and now my wife has to be admitted t hospital because she has to have open heart surgery, it is a very worryin time, but who cares we are just scroungers who should be on the streets or entitled to nothing, maybe sometimes people should think about the legitemate people getting benefits before lumping us scroungers and cheats.
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You dont sound like the problem but a question i ask is...

If you cant work a physical job anymore because of injury, why dont you go and study something like computer programming.

You cant say you dont have the time, it sounds like you have a few years to kill.
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I have quite a few friends who work at home on their computers. They take orders from all over the US from different companies. Don't know if they have something like that in the UK.
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02/07/2013 06:13 PM
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shut the fuck up, play dumb, dont take sides and look just as hungry and down as everybody else.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33792358


never has the title 'anonymous coward' been so fucking apt.
you are food.
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02/07/2013 06:28 PM
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shut the fuck up, play dumb, dont take sides and look just as hungry and down as everybody else.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33792358


never has the title 'anonymous coward' been so fucking apt.
you are food.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33896098


It says anonymous coward, not anonymous moron.

For i am smart enough to realize that standing around in a protest over the money running out wont achieve shit but put me in danger of either getting stabbed by another angry protester, trampled by police horses, shot in the face by a rubber bullet, hit with a water cannon and going blind, getting beaten by police or choking on tear gas falling and banging my head and never waking up... etc etc.

Protesting cant make them magic money out of thin fucking air when the economy has gone... They sold us all out years ago when they let private institutions control the money. Massive welfare and excessive credit has made it finally come to a head and they are going to attempt to tax us massively first, then inflate the currency which will lead to loss of confidence and hyperinflation probably.

Every fucking western government is printing the fuck out of money right now.

Either we have a few months or a few years, maybe a decade. This shits going to get worse though, protesting will just put you in danger and draw attention to yourself.

Hedge what you have now, buy gold, buy silver, buy land, set up solar/greenhouses grow your own food, keep chickens, keep rabbits.
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02/07/2013 06:29 PM
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shut the fuck up, play dumb, dont take sides and look just as hungry and down as everybody else.
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never has the title 'anonymous coward' been so fucking apt.
you are food.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33896098


Mm, what's down that road is never good. It's called willing slavery.
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02/07/2013 06:33 PM
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The only people i see getting butthurt about all this are those who know the jig is fucking up.
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the only jig here is 'we've just decided you don't need that room(s) you've had for years, so we're going to charge you for them because our ineptitude means we blew all our funding?'

fuck them. they're going to reap the whirlwind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33896098


so go ahead and bite the hand that feeds you. ingrate.
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02/07/2013 06:38 PM
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that isn't what the thread is about is it. It's about people who take from tax payers and are now upset that they have to give something back
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Yeah, we know it's about you.
But you don't get that.

You took from the tax payers.
You are mad at people that take from the tax payers.

They take from the tax payers and are in denial about it.
You too are in denial.

I don't care if your state funded education sucked. Obviously it did. You cannot even understand that you cost the tax payers money.

Oh, by the way, the section you thought I "removed" was right above it. Guess your reading comprehension skills class was bad too :/
 Quoting: The Lump Under the Carpet


Carpet we are never going to agree, I've tried to explain to you, others have explained to you, my parents and grandparents paid they're tax, I was5 when I started school, guess what I didn't have a lot of say in it, but I think tax had been paid. There is also a difference to then and now, my parents and g/parents would never take what is taken now

You failed to read my posts where I stated that Beveridge would be spinning in his grave if he could see what a bloated self serving pile of shit his plan had become.

Just because I went to a state shool doesn't mean I have to continue paying tax for people to live in a 3/4 bedroom house and only use 1 room and if you really believe that I despair for this world.
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lump will never get it. but others do.
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02/07/2013 06:41 PM
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Just remember all you entitlement retards who will be protesting..... you will probably be the first people the police horses trample to death and the first people screaming and complaining at the TV cameras about how they cant do this to you when the rubber bullets, water canons and tear gas starts flying.

The government wont listen to you because they dont give a fuck what you think, all they ever wanted was your votes and now the money has ran out they dont give a shit what you smash up, but they will beat the shit out of you till you learn your place.

They'll probably float ships on the thames to use as prisons for you retards.

Deal with it plebs. Oh and dont forget, you ruined it for all of us.

If on the off chance you listen to any advice and i doubt you will, hedge your wealth now and when the collapse comes shut the fuck up, play dumb, dont take sides and look just as hungry and down as everybody else.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33792358


yup.
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02/07/2013 06:43 PM
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Do you think most of the people with decent televisions are cheats or that they work?
I met someone that worked and lived in council housing because I guess they got into the housing when they were poorer. Their place was full of consumer junk. It was kind of claustrophobic to be honest. I was happy to cut the visit short.

My guess would be a lot of people are like that: they work some, they are unemployed some, then they work again. They probably feel like they have been lacking and buy useless products which could have been money better spent, but that is what the feeling of deprivation does to many people.
As you can see from the people on this thread, most have been on benefits or are currently on benefits, but they worked before or after receiving them and will go on and on with pride about their assets they had while working. Thus they see themselves as "success stories" or "not a bad scrounger" stories. Chances are they are not really that special and they are just made to feel so because they mistakenly believe the "everyone receiving benefits is on them for life" stereotype.
 Quoting: The Lump Under the Carpet


I meant people with all the gear on benefits, they can only afford all that gear if they are on more than benefits. Not necessarily working, I can't see how they would do that unless it were cash in hand. I think in all honesty that is true, but mostly women with children are claiming to be single when they have undeclared partners is the biggest form of cheating, it cannot be proven unless private investigators are on it, but that would surely cost too much.
Most people eat, drink and think TV and media, stereotypes are all they know, they regurgitate and live it every day, so one person claiming a benefit is scrounger and so are they all, the youth mind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33889925


Yeah, I'm sure there are a few bending the rules, just like rules are bent in everything. I just don't think it is so easy to define who is a cheat and who has just lived their life. Chances are most cheating is for small sums anyway. Benefits aren't exactly great riches to begin with.

It seems people can stay in council housing regardless of income changes, and I think many do as a safety net, especially considering it is so hard to get into in the first place. I can't fault them for it, just because they are working this month doesn't mean the job will still be there in five years, but their family to support probably still will be. But because of that I can't exactly say "That one has a nice car, they must be stealing from me."

Really, the whole thing looks more like a diversion to move the mind away from the reality of over taxation. Like, "Oh, look, that mum just ran away with a fiver!" while they're robbing the bank behind you.
 Quoting: The Lump Under the Carpet


So where does Bob Crow on a remuneration package in excess of 150k fit into that, hardly likely to need it as a safety net, and if he does he should have put more of his package aside, he might not be claiming benefits yet he is taking social housing from someone who is much more deserving, so in essence he is even worse
 Quoting: F F S


agree. only the poorest of the poor and the truly disabled should be in council housing. if no one should be able to smoke or drink there as well. if you can afford those things you can afford to live elsewhere.
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02/07/2013 06:47 PM
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Meh. The UK has a TV tax, with vans which drive around looking unlicensed TVs to fine any offenders.

Do you expect your governments to be all reasonable and shit? Some highly-paid consultant found a way to squeeze more money out of the taxpayer and this is what you're stuck with.

If you have a spare bedroom in your house that you own or rent which is being used as a study or a studio or whatever, the government is mandating that you pay them more tribute for the privilege of having that room. If you don't wish to pay, then you can move all your expensive computer equipment or photography gear or DJing kit into the living room and then invite some stranger to sublet the room from from you. Your choices are - 1. Pay the tribute or 2. rent it out to someone.

Yep, this'll end well.

I'm with the OP, when a government starts mandating how you live in your own home, then that government needs to be brought down a peg or two and realise who funds their generous pension plan.

While you're rioting about that, don't forget to riot about the TV tax thing - that's fucking outrageous.
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this is not about people who own their own homes.
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02/07/2013 06:49 PM
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this is not about people who own their own homes.
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Um, people can buy their council home here.
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02/07/2013 06:51 PM
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Good tax for the british tax payer. Why should anyone working contribute to a person living with one kid who lives in a 3 bedroom house.
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btw, this thread is not about funding public education.

this thread is about people living in government housing who need to move to quarters more suited to the family size. and there is nothing wrong with that.
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Bedroom tax is a great idea. Your basically rioting or striking against working people who pay your wages or benefits. If it was your own money and you had to rent a place, would you rent a place with a spare room and therefore have less disposable income each month?
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yup.
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I really hope im wrong i do. I just hope i get a few more years to prepare better.
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So are people who OWN their own council homes being told to move and/or taxed on rooms that they own?

Didn't know that Brits could own government housing.

They can only rent in the US. Anyway, if they could buy a home they wouldn't be living in government housing anyway here.
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Only problem i can see is if a single chav is living in a 3 bedroom house with just one kid she may go out get up the spout so she dont have to pay tax for the spare room
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So are people who OWN their own council homes being told to move and/or taxed on rooms that they own?

Didn't know that Brits could own government housing.

They can only rent in the US. Anyway, if they could buy a home they wouldn't be living in government housing anyway here.
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No, if you bought your council house it dont effect them
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Bedroom tax is a great idea. Your basically rioting or striking against working people who pay your wages or benefits. If it was your own money and you had to rent a place, would you rent a place with a spare room and therefore have less disposable income each month?
 Quoting: Donizetti 13520531


they would be living with relatives, friends, roommates or renting a one room(studio) apartment. when it is your money you treat it differently.
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So are people who OWN their own council homes being told to move and/or taxed on rooms that they own?

Didn't know that Brits could own government housing.

They can only rent in the US. Anyway, if they could buy a home they wouldn't be living in government housing anyway here.
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No, if you bought your council house it dont effect them
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Didn't think so.

So this thread is not about people who own council houses. Only people who rent them or live in them for free.
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So are people who OWN their own council homes being told to move and/or taxed on rooms that they own?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


They dont own them, they rent them from the government, or if they dont work, the government pays for it.


Didn't know that Brits could own government housing.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


They can, but it involves them buying a house from the government at discounted rates if they have previously been a tenant.

Im not sure exactly how it works.
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The UK is in total meltdown, muzzie invasion puckering ass mode.

Used to be a great country and the sun never set on the British Empire and that was won with guess what ?? Guns.

Give up all the colonies and subject the citizens to ever more draconian laws ending in gun confiscation and 24-7 surveillance, no natural resources and now you have a shithole full of violence.

Well at least you have a few pubs for now.
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Dozens of pubs close their doors for the last time, every day.

Those that manage to stay open, charge about $5 - $10 for a pint.

damned
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Have an X in London. Would be cheaper to fly her here to drink beer - cheers
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So are people who OWN their own council homes being told to move and/or taxed on rooms that they own?

Didn't know that Brits could own government housing.

They can only rent in the US. Anyway, if they could buy a home they wouldn't be living in government housing anyway here.
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No, if you bought your council house it dont effect them
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Didn't think so.

So this thread is not about people who own council houses. Only people who rent them or live in them for free.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


Yes

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