uk bedroom tax,the road to riots

How is it free if I am paying thousands per year in taxes?

No, only social housing. I.e. benefit recipients.

As long as idiots send their children to state funded schools, the schools will remain open.

Answer me this, do you honesty, really honestly, think the government would lower your taxes if they stopped paying for these things; or would they line their pockets with that money?

Your tax is you being robbed.
It has nothing to do with if you are an entitlement scrounger or not.

But that doesnt make any sense, in a country with an ageing and increasing population why would anybody expect that local council could perpetually house 70 year people on their own in a three bedroom house?

yup...that's what you folks from india and other countries do....come to our country, work and take jobs away from real citizens, buy land and build in your home "real" country, and then leave. jackass scum savages. get on with your sandal ass wearing selves. GTFO and stay out!

oh, as in immigrants?

for fucks sake, all you gotta do is apply for a smaller property,and swamp with sheer numbers, the ill thought out quick buck providing scheme.

Honestly, they should just give people a bonus for moving into smaller accommodation if this is really about clearing out space. People move quicker for incentives. It'll cost about the same in paperwork and government employee hours and the families that can would be more inclined to move.

But for some reason this machine runs best on punitive actions.

Must be all the love.

Sorry carpet, I'm not poor, I get paid very well thank you because of what I said before. Just because I hate paying tax that get spent on things I wouldn't Beveridge must be spinning in his grave to see what has become of his noble idea, I'm sure I saw an article a few weeks ago, that if we had stuck to his ideas the welfare bill would be around 15 billion , fuck me that's a long way from the 180 billion we currently spend.

How's fucking stupid idea was it to pay benefits to workers, hmm let me think thats rot a party that wanted to retain power at any cost, fuck what it did to society.

Put it this way, you own a company that employs staff, but you find that they leave, why, because they're not earning enough. After a period of time said company realises that hey we must retain our staff, retained staff are more productive. Now, if the government suddenly decides to up the wages of staff, because the unions etc are up in arms by giving them a benefit as a boss are you going to say , whoa there mister government hold on, we were going to do that, of course not. Less money paid out = more profit.

Unfortunatly Labour caved and wanting to buy votes flooded the UK with cheap labour and paid them as well. You do realise that the largest discrepancies between rich and poor were created under a socialist government. The largest ever tax takes are all created under Socialshit governments and I along with plenty of other people have had enough

But the point of state education is it allows those willing to put the effort in to progress into high paying jobs such as lawyers, doctors etc.

Those high paying jobs have higher tax contributions so when they have a job earning 100k a year, they have paid for their entire state funded education within a couple of years in tax contributions alone.

Smart, and what about all the people that do work to support themselves, have always worked to support themselves but are on a low wage and just need some help with their rent and council tax, I suppose it's just tough shit really huh, you lot on here are so savage and self important. I hope you have your jobs for life because one day you might need the help.
And it is us the people that pay to have a welfare system, it is our money that keeps it alive, not the Government that convinces you all that it is theirs and you cant have it, they want to take not give.
It is the foreign policy of it that is disgraceful and needs changing.
Why don't you all just uproot yourselves and move because you cannot afford the thieving council tax, it's very funny really isn't it.
Council tax benefit is a lifeline for most claiming it and loosing it is the difference between a roof over your head and dying in the street.
All you all go on about is scroungers and spongers, most people are working hard but on a low income and did not ask to have the shit that this system is forced onto them, but the ignoramus self important support it till the death.
Most of the austerity is a direct result of funnelling our money to the EU, rich evil bastards that couldn't care less if your dead in the street next week or able to donate all your hard earned, worked for cash like good little slaves should do.
Not all people that claim help with council tax are scroungers, just people caught in the system trap.

Hopefully for the majority of you people on here they will become homeless and die, then you can all stop your selfish moaning while you sit in your heated homes with food on the table no having to worry how to pay the next bill. Always those that have plenty and are OK that moan the most about those that have less.
No wonder this world is just a resemblance of hell, creating heaven was just too much for you, beyond your capability, because caring is not cool enough! And speaking of which, you moan about the poor, yet you allow this government to do all sorts of taxation on you and still you sit on your arses and just take it, do nothing but attack the less well off.
I work and am able to support myself, and if I cannot, then I will claim for some help and not feel ashamed of it, after all, I paid in it all my life to get it if I should ever need it, and thank God we have it.

Kids have been sharing rooms for centuries. Even whole families shared one room. There is nothing wrong with boys and girls under the age of ten sharing a room. Parent's should think of how many kids they can afford and have no more than that. Or they have to put up with government rules when they can support the children to their standards.

You changed, that"s the important thing.
I watched this happen. Amongst other things I saw the right wing press, Sun etc. selecting the most extreme negative cases that they could find- squatters in millionaires row, 18 kids in 3 houses on benefits etc. etc. ad-nauseum; none of the deserving cases. This particular rule is too simplistic, and will include many cases that will end up costing the taxpayer more, like, for instance, replacing disabled people's homes that have been heavily modified
in a very particular way.

Agree. People need to be accountable for their actions. Why work when everything is handed to you? That is the consensus now among those on welfare. There is no shame now being a lazy bum and stealing from others.

Family and friends are the crutch not the government.

If i lost my house and everything id pitch a fucking tent in my friends garden for a few months or move back in with my parents find a job cleaning fucking toilets if i have to until i had enough for a deposit.

When the government becomes the crutch it gives too much help to buy votes.

Vested interest. Its like giving prisoners the vote, they will vote for whoever gets them out sooner.

First, I am talking about all of the years prior to college and university. That's a good decade per child of teachers, books, school buildings, etc,etc,etc.

With your argument you could also say that state funded food creates more energy to look for jobs, or state funded housing creates more clean and energetic people to work, or state funded health care creates happier healthier people that can work longer hours.

And yet, you only attach it to state funded education.
The fact that you think a state funded education will lead to 100k a year is laughable, but I will leave you with that fantasy carrot.

Parent funded food, education and housing also supposedly create those things; just FYI.

Why is education different in your mind? Why do you think it is so special exactly? Should the children learn to be dependent on government for their information from the start?

If those children never ate, would their minds have the fuel to learn in the schools? If they didn't get good rest would they learn or fall asleep at their desks? If they were ill and could not access a doctor, would that change their ability to learn?

You take one little thing and say "oh this entitlement is the only one we need, this one is fine to scrounge off of", but you forget that you are a complete person that needs more than a government funded teacher to indoctrinate them....you also forget that it is still scrounging. That shiny education apple fell from the same tree as the housing apple. Look up.
You hate that tree for taking your money, you hate that tree for giving to others. Why do you trust that tree with your mind and the minds of your children?

And also, this April the government are no longer supporting council tax and housing benefit, the council tax is going to rise considerably to fund it. How does that float your goat.
It means more people will be forced to apply for benefits costing even more. The whole thing is designed to cost more and eventually collapse hurting you all, everybody.
Then the whining better off won't be so bloody smug and insulting and insinuating.
Watch the traveller sites grow exponentially, they are the only ones with sense.
Defeat is thrust upon you imminently.

LOL. Lump is either a sponger or very wealthy. If lump were middle class and paying for it all s/he would be outraged. Or lump is just a shill. There is no making sense to this idiot.

Dude i think you are missing the point, people like you are clearly not the problem. The welfare state should exist to help people help themselves.

Its the people taking you and me and the government as mugs as a lifestyle choice that are the issue.

Carpet, stop being so self righteous go out there and give all your inherited money to them, and see what they think of you. You're just trolling this thread.

Oh and by the way, being self employed and from a state education I see your 100k and raise you, that one statement alone proves what an arse you are smug fucker

I see no hate in you. You just want people to carry their own load and quit freeloading off others.

and your riots are??

You're too fucking stupid to vote, a liability, stay home and watch soaps instead.

But if the house is too large for her she needs to move then and open up space for other families. Where are her children? They should be helping/taking care of her. Not the taxpayers unless she is truly incapable of taking care of herself. Then she should be moved to a retirement home if there is really no one to care for her.

Yeah, pretty much. They pile everyone into the same cart, label them as bad, and then pat you individually on the head and say, "Oh, but not you Johnny. I'm sorry you have to suffer because of these scroungers."

The end result is always the same.
I hate to watch it happen, but it's not like it isn't already written.

As for me. I've always been me. I just thought the work we were doing was theoretical, having never stepped outside to see it in person. Now that I've seen, I want to gouge my eyes out.

Why oh why does everyone get tared with the same brush, i am on benefits because i have a spinal problem, i,m 6ft 4 tall, left school in 1976 joined the army did 5 years service, left and was a gravedigger for 3 yrs, got made redundant for a JCB, got factory work and did that for25 yrs, bending over benches that was too small, now my back is ruined,i claim ESA, i dont drink or smoke or do drugs, i cant afford to go out every week, and have not had a holiday in 10 years, but you all lump me into the same boat, i am just a scrounger, i feel really terrible that i cant support myself and contribute to society, and this last few years i dont like going outside because of the guilt i feel, and now my wife has to be admitted t hospital because she has to have open heart surgery, it is a very worryin time, but who cares we are just scroungers who should be on the streets or entitled to nothing, maybe sometimes people should think about the legitemate people getting benefits before lumping us scroungers and cheats.

People living on benefits pay no taxes. How can they?

They are given for nothing £100s and then someone takes £10 off them and somehow they paid tax?

Its laughable.

100k a year and you cannot even afford a few quid for a membership on this site?
Either you are lying or you really are scrounging everywhere.

Lying about your bank account isn't necessary. I know it may seem to be because society attaches status to financial funds, but it's not.

Also, after stating that on an open forum, you may want to check your firewall.

I don't own a TV, but thanks for that.