uk bedroom tax,the road to riots

And to produce all that would cost a lot more, all because you think the level of control is not steep enough. Cash or tokens, what's the difference other than controlling someone's life to buggery costing the shitty system even more.
What, you think that all their money is going on drugs and alcohol, and how dare they, they must be controlled to ensure they get their rations just as the government says so.
FFS, you people get worse and worse.
Instead of giving £50, get a token printed up and distributed for another £50 making the total £100, real smart for megalomaniacal control methods. Better still, why not just bring back the workhouses and give them porridge.

They won't be "asked" to pay, they'll be told.
And they'll be "allowed" to sublet.

Geezuz, being a subject must be nauseating.

Smart, and what about all the people that do work to support themselves, have always worked to support themselves but are on a low wage and just need some help with their rent and council tax, I suppose it's just tough shit really huh, you lot on here are so savage and self important. I hope you have your jobs for life because one day you might need the help.
And it is us the people that pay to have a welfare system, it is our money that keeps it alive, not the Government that convinces you all that it is theirs and you cant have it, they want to take not give.
It is the foreign policy of it that is disgraceful and needs changing.
Why don't you all just uproot yourselves and move because you cannot afford the thieving council tax, it's very funny really isn't it.
Council tax benefit is a lifeline for most claiming it and loosing it is the difference between a roof over your head and dying in the street.
All you all go on about is scroungers and spongers, most people are working hard but on a low income and did not ask to have the shit that this system is forced onto them, but the ignoramus self important support it till the death.
Most of the austerity is a direct result of funnelling our money to the EU, rich evil bastards that couldn't care less if your dead in the street next week or able to donate all your hard earned, worked for cash like good little slaves should do.
Not all people that claim help with council tax are scroungers, just people caught in the system trap.

Hopefully for the majority of you people on here they will become homeless and die, then you can all stop your selfish moaning while you sit in your heated homes with food on the table no having to worry how to pay the next bill. Always those that have plenty and are OK that moan the most about those that have less.
No wonder this world is just a resemblance of hell, creating heaven was just too much for you, beyond your capability, because caring is not cool enough! And speaking of which, you moan about the poor, yet you allow this government to do all sorts of taxation on you and still you sit on your arses and just take it, do nothing but attack the less well off.
I work and am able to support myself, and if I cannot, then I will claim for some help and not feel ashamed of it, after all, I paid in it all my life to get it if I should ever need it, and thank God we have it.

Family and friends are the crutch not the government.

If i lost my house and everything id pitch a fucking tent in my friends garden for a few months or move back in with my parents find a job cleaning fucking toilets if i have to until i had enough for a deposit.

When the government becomes the crutch it gives too much help to buy votes.

Vested interest. Its like giving prisoners the vote, they will vote for whoever gets them out sooner.

Oh dear. Have I hit a nerve, tell me why should I pay for the privelige of having all my comments handed over to the US government when I can still have that for free. Free is an option

And once again, no, i'm not a scrounger I put a shit load more into the system than I take out. But this has digressed, why should people who take from the system be upset when the system bites back, so what, your in your 60's lived in your house since you were 20ish raised your kids etc and now they ask you to leave or pay something for the wasted space you reaped the benefit for 40 + years

Oh really? You obviously don't remember the Poll Tax riots...

I can't remember seeing any Americans rioting with their precious guns either...

That was the end of a engineered war and was universal. And people who can afford sky TV and big TV's to watch it on are cheating in one way or other. You don't really believe people can afford all that on benefits, and that is whet is needed, to stop the cheats.
It is always self evident in the end that those at the top are the densest and most of their wealth is corrupted wealth. Go figure.

The only people i see getting butthurt about all this are those who know the jig is fucking up.

This only affects benefit spongers anyway.

WGAS

that isn't what the thread is about is it. It's about people who take from tax payers and are now upset that they have to give something back

Do you think most of the people with decent televisions are cheats or that they work?
I met someone that worked and lived in council housing because I guess they got into the housing when they were poorer. Their place was full of consumer junk. It was kind of claustrophobic to be honest. I was happy to cut the visit short.

My guess would be a lot of people are like that: they work some, they are unemployed some, then they work again. They probably feel like they have been lacking and buy useless products which could have been money better spent, but that is what the feeling of deprivation does to many people.
As you can see from the people on this thread, most have been on benefits or are currently on benefits, but they worked before or after receiving them and will go on and on with pride about their assets they had while working. Thus they see themselves as "success stories" or "not a bad scrounger" stories. Chances are they are not really that special and they are just made to feel so because they mistakenly believe the "everyone receiving benefits is on them for life" stereotype.

I meant people with all the gear on benefits, they can only afford all that gear if they are on more than benefits. Not necessarily working, I can't see how they would do that unless it were cash in hand. I think in all honesty that is true, but mostly women with children are claiming to be single when they have undeclared partners is the biggest form of cheating, it cannot be proven unless private investigators are on it, but that would surely cost too much.
Most people eat, drink and think TV and media, stereotypes are all they know, they regurgitate and live it every day, so one person claiming a benefit is scrounger and so are they all, the youth mind.

Lucky im not in council housing and even luckier I got land in kashmir. Im moving there sooner rather than later. What a shithole the uk truly has become

I meant people with all the gear on benefits, they can only afford all that gear if they are on more than benefits. Not necessarily working, I can't see how they would do that unless it were cash in hand. I think in all honesty that is true, but mostly women with children are claiming to be single when they have undeclared partners is the biggest form of cheating, it cannot be proven unless private investigators are on it, but that would surely cost too much.
Most people eat, drink and think TV and media, stereotypes are all they know, they regurgitate and live it every day, so one person claiming a benefit is scrounger and so are they all, the youth mind.

Yeah, I'm sure there are a few bending the rules, just like rules are bent in everything. I just don't think it is so easy to define who is a cheat and who has just lived their life. Chances are most cheating is for small sums anyway. Benefits aren't exactly great riches to begin with.

It seems people can stay in council housing regardless of income changes, and I think many do as a safety net, especially considering it is so hard to get into in the first place. I can't fault them for it, just because they are working this month doesn't mean the job will still be there in five years, but their family to support probably still will be. But because of that I can't exactly say "That one has a nice car, they must be stealing from me."

Really, the whole thing looks more like a diversion to move the mind away from the reality of over taxation. Like, "Oh, look, that mum just ran away with a fiver!" while they're robbing the bank behind you.