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Just as one is stuck in a thick mud and the only way to get out is to leave behind the boots , the religious conandrums are solved by leaving religion behind , so be polite please , this a hand of help to our fellow humans .


Add your logic contributions .

1) The Designer circle : denying Evolution and accepting a 'designer' means the designer itself Must have been designed by another designer Because it could not Evolve by itself to the status of a designer ( god ) .


2) judge the 'creator' by its gory creations : consider the design process for the Prey/Predator animal kindom where most where designed to kill others in order to ... survive ! Than move to the human serial killers , etc.


3) perfection is not shared : if the designer could be Perfect than designing the human body was ... malicious ! At least the farts could have smell like roses never mind the waste of the energy packed Methane ...


4) The 'what goes around comes around ' effect : religious people deny all other religions but their own , therefore all religions are mutually nulled BY THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS with the net effect of invalidating all religions !


5) the snake-oil-salesman effect : if , for example , the Iranian Clerics , the top religious leaders , would really believe in allah than they should not Question allah's Protection and therefore should not have a military !
But because they spend a lot on the military , like most other religious countries , they are insulting allah by not Trusting him .
Further more , they don't consider that the infidels are also the creation of allah , so Why interfeer ?? Do the Iranian/etc. Clerics REALLY believe that allah could not handle its own creations , the infidels , hence it needed 'help' from Iran ??


6) the Crucifiction Soap Opera : as we are told gods know the future , they don't die and don't feel pain , so Christ ( with no pain from the 'ordeal' ) and his father both knew the outcome of the Crucifiction making the process a farce .


7) the personal choice deceit : if gods know the future they also know Your choice hence in your life you can not possibly arrive to a different choice , by ... design !


8)
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Just as one is stuck in a thick mud and the only way to get out is to leave behind the boots , the religious conandrums are solved by leaving religion behind , so be polite please , this a hand of help to our fellow humans .


Add your logic contributions .

1) The Designer circle : denying Evolution and accepting a 'designer' means the designer itself Must have been designed by another designer Because it could not Evolve by itself to the status of a designer ( god ) .


2) judge the 'creator' by its gory creations : consider the design process for the Prey/Predator animal kindom where most where designed to kill others in order to ... survive ! Than move to the human serial killers , etc.


3) perfection is not shared : if the designer could be Perfect than designing the human body was ... malicious ! At least the farts could have smell like roses never mind the waste of the energy packed Methane ...


4) The 'what goes around comes around ' effect : religious people deny all other religions but their own , therefore all religions are mutually nulled BY THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS with the net effect of invalidating all religions !


5) the snake-oil-salesman effect : if , for example , the Iranian Clerics , the top religious leaders , would really believe in allah than they should not Question allah's Protection and therefore should not have a military !
But because they spend a lot on the military , like most other religious countries , they are insulting allah by not Trusting him .
Further more , they don't consider that the infidels are also the creation of allah , so Why interfeer ?? Do the Iranian/etc. Clerics REALLY believe that allah could not handle its own creations , the infidels , hence it needed 'help' from Iran ??


6) the Crucifiction Soap Opera : as we are told gods know the future , they don't die and don't feel pain , so Christ ( with no pain from the 'ordeal' ) and his father both knew the outcome of the Crucifiction making the process a farce .


7) the personal choice deceit : if gods know the future they also know Your choice hence in your life you can not possibly arrive to a different choice , by ... design !


8)

 Quoting: @ist 33594769



... as you see , they Vote negativelly but do not answer with contra-arguments ...

If the points presented are so false and easy to defeat than why the religious do not 'crucify' my arguments in 2 easy sentences or so ? Please do , don't hold back .

I have much more about religion fantasies that will put Alice in Wonderland to shame , please present your arguments , thank you !


Here , prepare your self :

Thread: Parents , the Ultimate Criminals ?? ... and Their Direct Consequence : Religion , the Ultimate Proof of Stupidity ! No Wonder !
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Just as one is stuck in a thick mud and the only way to get out is to leave behind the boots , the religious conandrums are solved by leaving religion behind , so be polite please , this a hand of help to our fellow humans .


Add your logic contributions .

1) The Designer circle : denying Evolution and accepting a 'designer' means the designer itself Must have been designed by another designer Because it could not Evolve by itself to the status of a designer ( god ) .


2) judge the 'creator' by its gory creations : consider the design process for the Prey/Predator animal kindom where most where designed to kill others in order to ... survive ! Than move to the human serial killers , etc.


3) perfection is not shared : if the designer could be Perfect than designing the human body was ... malicious ! At least the farts could have smell like roses never mind the waste of the energy packed Methane ...


4) The 'what goes around comes around ' effect : religious people deny all other religions but their own , therefore all religions are mutually nulled BY THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS with the net effect of invalidating all religions !


5) the snake-oil-salesman effect : if , for example , the Iranian Clerics , the top religious leaders , would really believe in allah than they should not Question allah's Protection and therefore should not have a military !
But because they spend a lot on the military , like most other religious countries , they are insulting allah by not Trusting him .
Further more , they don't consider that the infidels are also the creation of allah , so Why interfeer ?? Do the Iranian/etc. Clerics REALLY believe that allah could not handle its own creations , the infidels , hence it needed 'help' from Iran ??


6) the Crucifiction Soap Opera : as we are told gods know the future , they don't die and don't feel pain , so Christ ( with no pain from the 'ordeal' ) and his father both knew the outcome of the Crucifiction making the process a farce .


7) the personal choice deceit : if gods know the future they also know Your choice hence in your life you can not possibly arrive to a different choice , by ... design !


8)
 Quoting: @ist 33594769



1) This is a logical fallacy my friend, you are giving the creator the characteristics of man - that he is in some way limited and finite. God as you call him is not like us, he is the 'alpha and the omega' he has always been and will always be - perpetual.
Don't give God the characteristics of man.

2) Creation was not always this way, indeed if you ever took time to read the bible you would see that this is all a result of sin, God is not in control of this world at the present time, we made a choice to serve ungodliness and therefore the world has been corrupted.
Indeed, in the prophecies regarding the new creation God will make (Yes, he is remaking this world anew) it says the 'lion will lay down with the lamb' this is very interesting as it points to the fact animals will no longer kill each other. Once again Gods creation will be as he intended it to be..."Good, very good"

3) The same argument above, our corrupted soul and body are to blame. God designed us perfect but we have chosen to move away from God.
An interesting little tid bit here for you, did you know the Bible says 'in him we have our being'? this is very significant, in a way you could say he is the 'electricity' that makes our body (machine) go.
When we cut the electricity off, we still have some residual charge but eventually the spark leaves us and we die.
Our bodies are shadows of their former selves.

4) I do not deny other religions, in fact I am sure without a doubt there are good and holy people around the world, the fact they never had the opportunity to read the bible does not condemn them. Their lives condemn or justify them, not what they read.

5) Hypocrisy, a result of our fallen nature. We are all hypocrites because we are all selfish.
Jesus said the root of all evil is the LOVE of money, what he means here is money is not evil but the selfishness that pushes us to constantly make ourselves 'first' above others, contrary to Gods holy law of love.

6) Yes, God new Jesus would be crucified. In fact one of the first things he tells us in Genesis is a prophecy regarding how he would die for us.
If you want to know, what did God do in the garden after adam&eve sinned? he KILLED a lamb! why would a perfect God of love kill a lamb? this was a prophecy! He killed the lamb and made it into clothing - he clothed adam and even in the righteousness of the lamb (Jesus)

7) God knows our future but we are free to choose. It is a conundrum I know! but there are some things I believe we simply cannot grasp (I.E. immortality and God existing forever, we are limited beings that are here for 60 or 70 years....it is arrogant to think we can understand the almighty)


Peace out.
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Just as one is stuck in a thick mud and the only way to get out is to leave behind the boots , the religious conandrums are solved by leaving religion behind , so be polite please , this a hand of help to our fellow humans .


Add your logic contributions .

1) The Designer circle : denying Evolution and accepting a 'designer' means the designer itself Must have been designed by another designer Because it could not Evolve by itself to the status of a designer ( god ) .


2) judge the 'creator' by its gory creations : consider the design process for the Prey/Predator animal kindom where most where designed to kill others in order to ... survive ! Than move to the human serial killers , etc.


3) perfection is not shared : if the designer could be Perfect than designing the human body was ... malicious ! At least the farts could have smell like roses never mind the waste of the energy packed Methane ...


4) The 'what goes around comes around ' effect : religious people deny all other religions but their own , therefore all religions are mutually nulled BY THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS with the net effect of invalidating all religions !


5) the snake-oil-salesman effect : if , for example , the Iranian Clerics , the top religious leaders , would really believe in allah than they should not Question allah's Protection and therefore should not have a military !
But because they spend a lot on the military , like most other religious countries , they are insulting allah by not Trusting him .
Further more , they don't consider that the infidels are also the creation of allah , so Why interfeer ?? Do the Iranian/etc. Clerics REALLY believe that allah could not handle its own creations , the infidels , hence it needed 'help' from Iran ??


6) the Crucifiction Soap Opera : as we are told gods know the future , they don't die and don't feel pain , so Christ ( with no pain from the 'ordeal' ) and his father both knew the outcome of the Crucifiction making the process a farce .


7) the personal choice deceit : if gods know the future they also know Your choice hence in your life you can not possibly arrive to a different choice , by ... design !


8)

 Quoting: @ist 33594769



1) This is a logical fallacy my friend, you are giving the creator the characteristics of man - that he is in some way limited and finite. God as you call him is not like us, he is the 'alpha and the omega' he has always been and will always be - perpetual.
Don't give God the characteristics of man.

2) Creation was not always this way, indeed if you ever took time to read the bible you would see that this is all a result of sin, God is not in control of this world at the present time, we made a choice to serve ungodliness and therefore the world has been corrupted.
Indeed, in the prophecies regarding the new creation God will make (Yes, he is remaking this world anew) it says the 'lion will lay down with the lamb' this is very interesting as it points to the fact animals will no longer kill each other. Once again Gods creation will be as he intended it to be..."Good, very good"

3) The same argument above, our corrupted soul and body are to blame. God designed us perfect but we have chosen to move away from God.
An interesting little tid bit here for you, did you know the Bible says 'in him we have our being'? this is very significant, in a way you could say he is the 'electricity' that makes our body (machine) go.
When we cut the electricity off, we still have some residual charge but eventually the spark leaves us and we die.
Our bodies are shadows of their former selves.

4) I do not deny other religions, in fact I am sure without a doubt there are good and holy people around the world, the fact they never had the opportunity to read the bible does not condemn them. Their lives condemn or justify them, not what they read.

5) Hypocrisy, a result of our fallen nature. We are all hypocrites because we are all selfish.
Jesus said the root of all evil is the LOVE of money, what he means here is money is not evil but the selfishness that pushes us to constantly make ourselves 'first' above others, contrary to Gods holy law of love.

6) Yes, God new Jesus would be crucified. In fact one of the first things he tells us in Genesis is a prophecy regarding how he would die for us.
If you want to know, what did God do in the garden after adam&eve sinned? he KILLED a lamb! why would a perfect God of love kill a lamb? this was a prophecy! He killed the lamb and made it into clothing - he clothed adam and even in the righteousness of the lamb (Jesus)

7) God knows our future but we are free to choose. It is a conundrum I know! but there are some things I believe we simply cannot grasp (I.E. immortality and God existing forever, we are limited beings that are here for 60 or 70 years....it is arrogant to think we can understand the almighty)


Peace out.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26304270



Dear fellow human , thank you for participating !

Let's take it one at a time , and please bring on your latest arguments :

Q : 1) The Designer circle : denying Evolution and accepting a 'designer' means the designer itself Must have been designed by another designer Because it could not Evolve by itself to the status of a designer ( god ) .

A : " 1) This is a logical fallacy my friend, you are giving the creator the characteristics of man - that he is in some way limited and finite.
God as you call him is not like us, he is the 'alpha and the omega' he has always been and will always be - perpetual. Don't give God the characteristics of man.


Q for A : Your answer/argument of not giving god characteristics of a human is not part of the Q # 1 which addresses the formation of a god as a complex entity , definetly not as a human .
Who Designed god , is the question , since Evolution is denyed by religions .
I suggest to try " god has no begining and no end , it appeared/formed from nothing " , etc.
Please try again addressing Q 1 , thanks .
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Just as one is stuck in a thick mud and the only way to get out is to leave behind the boots , the religious conandrums are solved by leaving religion behind , so be polite please , this a hand of help to our fellow humans .


Add your logic contributions .

1) The Designer circle : denying Evolution and accepting a 'designer' means the designer itself Must have been designed by another designer Because it could not Evolve by itself to the status of a designer ( god ) .


2) judge the 'creator' by its gory creations : consider the design process for the Prey/Predator animal kindom where most where designed to kill others in order to ... survive ! Than move to the human serial killers , etc.


3) perfection is not shared : if the designer could be Perfect than designing the human body was ... malicious ! At least the farts could have smell like roses never mind the waste of the energy packed Methane ...


4) The 'what goes around comes around ' effect : religious people deny all other religions but their own , therefore all religions are mutually nulled BY THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS with the net effect of invalidating all religions !


5) the snake-oil-salesman effect : if , for example , the Iranian Clerics , the top religious leaders , would really believe in allah than they should not Question allah's Protection and therefore should not have a military !
But because they spend a lot on the military , like most other religious countries , they are insulting allah by not Trusting him .
Further more , they don't consider that the infidels are also the creation of allah , so Why interfeer ?? Do the Iranian/etc. Clerics REALLY believe that allah could not handle its own creations , the infidels , hence it needed 'help' from Iran ??


6) the Crucifiction Soap Opera : as we are told gods know the future , they don't die and don't feel pain , so Christ ( with no pain from the 'ordeal' ) and his father both knew the outcome of the Crucifiction making the process a farce .


7) the personal choice deceit : if gods know the future they also know Your choice hence in your life you can not possibly arrive to a different choice , by ... design !


8)
 Quoting: @ist 33594769



1) This is a logical fallacy my friend, you are giving the creator the characteristics of man - that he is in some way limited and finite. God as you call him is not like us, he is the 'alpha and the omega' he has always been and will always be - perpetual.
Don't give God the characteristics of man.

2) Creation was not always this way, indeed if you ever took time to read the bible you would see that this is all a result of sin, God is not in control of this world at the present time, we made a choice to serve ungodliness and therefore the world has been corrupted.
Indeed, in the prophecies regarding the new creation God will make (Yes, he is remaking this world anew) it says the 'lion will lay down with the lamb' this is very interesting as it points to the fact animals will no longer kill each other. Once again Gods creation will be as he intended it to be..."Good, very good"

3) The same argument above, our corrupted soul and body are to blame. God designed us perfect but we have chosen to move away from God.
An interesting little tid bit here for you, did you know the Bible says 'in him we have our being'? this is very significant, in a way you could say he is the 'electricity' that makes our body (machine) go.
When we cut the electricity off, we still have some residual charge but eventually the spark leaves us and we die.
Our bodies are shadows of their former selves.

4) I do not deny other religions, in fact I am sure without a doubt there are good and holy people around the world, the fact they never had the opportunity to read the bible does not condemn them. Their lives condemn or justify them, not what they read.

5) Hypocrisy, a result of our fallen nature. We are all hypocrites because we are all selfish.
Jesus said the root of all evil is the LOVE of money, what he means here is money is not evil but the selfishness that pushes us to constantly make ourselves 'first' above others, contrary to Gods holy law of love.

6) Yes, God new Jesus would be crucified. In fact one of the first things he tells us in Genesis is a prophecy regarding how he would die for us.
If you want to know, what did God do in the garden after adam&eve sinned? he KILLED a lamb! why would a perfect God of love kill a lamb? this was a prophecy! He killed the lamb and made it into clothing - he clothed adam and even in the righteousness of the lamb (Jesus)

7) God knows our future but we are free to choose. It is a conundrum I know! but there are some things I believe we simply cannot grasp (I.E. immortality and God existing forever, we are limited beings that are here for 60 or 70 years....it is arrogant to think we can understand the almighty)


Peace out.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26304270



Continuing ....


Q 2 ) judge the 'creator' by its gory creations : consider the design process for the Prey/Predator animal kindom where most where designed to kill others in order to ... survive ! Than move to the human serial killers , etc.

A 2 : " 2) Creation was not always this way, indeed if you ever took time to read the bible you would see that this is all a result of sin, God is not in control of this world at the present time, we made a choice to serve ungodliness and therefore the world has been corrupted.
Indeed, in the prophecies regarding the new creation God will make (Yes, he is remaking this world anew) it says the 'lion will lay down with the lamb' this is very interesting as it points to the fact animals will no longer kill each other. Once again Gods creation will be as he intended it to be..."Good, very good" .


Q to A 2 : You said that god ( Allmighty , The creator ) is NOT in control " at the moment " ??
Does the Vatican know that you posted that ?
Please try again , thanks !
Suggestion : do NOT try to help my atheist cause in That way , I don't find it funny ... Should we go to your Third argument ?
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Just as one is stuck in a thick mud and the only way to get out is to leave behind the boots , the religious conandrums are solved by leaving religion behind , so be polite please , this a hand of help to our fellow humans .


Add your logic contributions .

1) The Designer circle : denying Evolution and accepting a 'designer' means the designer itself Must have been designed by another designer Because it could not Evolve by itself to the status of a designer ( god ) .


2) judge the 'creator' by its gory creations : consider the design process for the Prey/Predator animal kindom where most where designed to kill others in order to ... survive ! Than move to the human serial killers , etc.


3) perfection is not shared : if the designer could be Perfect than designing the human body was ... malicious ! At least the farts could have smell like roses never mind the waste of the energy packed Methane ...


4) The 'what goes around comes around ' effect : religious people deny all other religions but their own , therefore all religions are mutually nulled BY THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS with the net effect of invalidating all religions !


5) the snake-oil-salesman effect : if , for example , the Iranian Clerics , the top religious leaders , would really believe in allah than they should not Question allah's Protection and therefore should not have a military !
But because they spend a lot on the military , like most other religious countries , they are insulting allah by not Trusting him .
Further more , they don't consider that the infidels are also the creation of allah , so Why interfeer ?? Do the Iranian/etc. Clerics REALLY believe that allah could not handle its own creations , the infidels , hence it needed 'help' from Iran ??


6) the Crucifiction Soap Opera : as we are told gods know the future , they don't die and don't feel pain , so Christ ( with no pain from the 'ordeal' ) and his father both knew the outcome of the Crucifiction making the process a farce .


7) the personal choice deceit : if gods know the future they also know Your choice hence in your life you can not possibly arrive to a different choice , by ... design !


8)
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Does any one see this post ?!
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Just as one is stuck in a thick mud and the only way to get out is to leave behind the boots , the religious conandrums are solved by leaving religion behind , so be polite please , this a hand of help to our fellow humans .


Add your logic contributions .

1) The Designer circle : denying Evolution and accepting a 'designer' means the designer itself Must have been designed by another designer Because it could not Evolve by itself to the status of a designer ( god ) .


2) judge the 'creator' by its gory creations : consider the design process for the Prey/Predator animal kindom where most where designed to kill others in order to ... survive ! Than move to the human serial killers , etc.


3) perfection is not shared : if the designer could be Perfect than designing the human body was ... malicious ! At least the farts could have smell like roses never mind the waste of the energy packed Methane ...


4) The 'what goes around comes around ' effect : religious people deny all other religions but their own , therefore all religions are mutually nulled BY THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS with the net effect of invalidating all religions !


5) the snake-oil-salesman effect : if , for example , the Iranian Clerics , the top religious leaders , would really believe in allah than they should not Question allah's Protection and therefore should not have a military !
But because they spend a lot on the military , like most other religious countries , they are insulting allah by not Trusting him .
Further more , they don't consider that the infidels are also the creation of allah , so Why interfeer ?? Do the Iranian/etc. Clerics REALLY believe that allah could not handle its own creations , the infidels , hence it needed 'help' from Iran ??


6) the Crucifiction Soap Opera : as we are told gods know the future , they don't die and don't feel pain , so Christ ( with no pain from the 'ordeal' ) and his father both knew the outcome of the Crucifiction making the process a farce .


7) the personal choice deceit : if gods know the future they also know Your choice hence in your life you can not possibly arrive to a different choice , by ... design !


8)
 Quoting: @ist 33594769


....

3) The same argument above, our corrupted soul and body are to blame. God designed us perfect but we have chosen to move away from God.
An interesting little tid bit here for you, did you know the Bible says 'in him we have our being'? this is very significant, in a way you could say he is the 'electricity' that makes our body (machine) go.
When we cut the electricity off, we still have some residual charge but eventually the spark leaves us and we die.
Our bodies are shadows of their former selves.

4) I do not deny other religions, in fact I am sure without a doubt there are good and holy people around the world, the fact they never had the opportunity to read the bible does not condemn them. Their lives condemn or justify them, not what they read.

5) Hypocrisy, a result of our fallen nature. We are all hypocrites because we are all selfish.
Jesus said the root of all evil is the LOVE of money, what he means here is money is not evil but the selfishness that pushes us to constantly make ourselves 'first' above others, contrary to Gods holy law of love.

6) Yes, God new Jesus would be crucified. In fact one of the first things he tells us in Genesis is a prophecy regarding how he would die for us.
If you want to know, what did God do in the garden after adam&eve sinned? he KILLED a lamb! why would a perfect God of love kill a lamb? this was a prophecy! He killed the lamb and made it into clothing - he clothed adam and even in the righteousness of the lamb (Jesus)

7) God knows our future but we are free to choose. It is a conundrum I know! but there are some things I believe we simply cannot grasp (I.E. immortality and God existing forever, we are limited beings that are here for 60 or 70 years....it is arrogant to think we can understand the almighty)


Peace out.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26304270



Re 3 : " God designed us perfect but we have chosen to move away from God. "

Have you heard of Birth Defects ??


Re 4 : " I do not deny other religions, " .

Here I am to help you ! Keep reading .

Re 5 : " Hypocrisy, a result of our fallen nature. We are all hypocrites because we are all selfish. "

Have you heard of DNA and that is The cause of our personality ?


Re 6 : " why would a perfect God of love kill a lamb? this was a prophecy! He killed the lamb and made it into clothing - "

Yes , that's what I am pointing out , the symbolism here is : a SICK minded god , the creator of the prey/predator relation . Hence you are praying to an evil god .


Re 7 : " God knows our future but we are free to choose. It is a conundrum I know! "

No condrum there , the difference between Mother Theresa and Marie Antoinette is the DNA , their Neural Networks that perceived reality differently .
Please study the DNA and be impressed how the Future of decission making is embeded in it , hence , according to religions , each is 'designed' differently and so Act differently and ... predictably .
Hence you have no choice but to act according to your pre-programed DNA/Neural Networks ( the difference pointed above between personalities ) .


Please try again ( and we didn't get in yet into Who wrote the bible/quran/etc and How did that person Heard Voices in their heads unless they met god personally , a lot of fun ) .
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Just as one is stuck in a thick mud and the only way to get out is to leave behind the boots , the religious conandrums are solved by leaving religion behind , so be polite please , this a hand of help to our fellow humans .


Add your logic contributions .

1) The Designer circle : denying Evolution and accepting a 'designer' means the designer itself Must have been designed by another designer Because it could not Evolve by itself to the status of a designer ( god ) .


2) judge the 'creator' by its gory creations : consider the design process for the Prey/Predator animal kindom where most where designed to kill others in order to ... survive ! Than move to the human serial killers , etc.


3) perfection is not shared : if the designer could be Perfect than designing the human body was ... malicious ! At least the farts could have smell like roses never mind the waste of the energy packed Methane ...


4) The 'what goes around comes around ' effect : religious people deny all other religions but their own , therefore all religions are mutually nulled BY THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS with the net effect of invalidating all religions !


5) the snake-oil-salesman effect : if , for example , the Iranian Clerics , the top religious leaders , would really believe in allah than they should not Question allah's Protection and therefore should not have a military !
But because they spend a lot on the military , like most other religious countries , they are insulting allah by not Trusting him .
Further more , they don't consider that the infidels are also the creation of allah , so Why interfeer ?? Do the Iranian/etc. Clerics REALLY believe that allah could not handle its own creations , the infidels , hence it needed 'help' from Iran ??


6) the Crucifiction Soap Opera : as we are told gods know the future , they don't die and don't feel pain , so Christ ( with no pain from the 'ordeal' ) and his father both knew the outcome of the Crucifiction making the process a farce .


7) the personal choice deceit : if gods know the future they also know Your choice hence in your life you can not possibly arrive to a different choice , by ... design !


8)
 Quoting: @ist 33594769




Hmmmm , Predisposed , no choice on behaviour ?

Should we believe that if those people would tell themselves " Be good , no violence ! " they will be good ?

But what if their Predisposition , DNA , prevents them from self-control ?????????????????????????????? DUH !!!


" ... A leading German neurologist believes he has found an ‘evil patch’ in the brains of violent criminals.

Having spent years analysing the brains of convicted offenders for the German government, Dr Gerhard Roth now claims brain scans of rapists and murderers reveal a dark mass between the two frontal lobes.

Speaking to the Daily Mail Dr Roth said: “We showed these people short films and measured their brain waves…Whenever there were brutal and squalid scenes the subjects showed no emotions. In the areas of the brain where we create compassion and sorrow, nothing happened.”

According to Dr Roth, almost all hardened criminals have “severe shortcomings” in the part of the brain that sits in the lower forehead, leading him to believe that some offenders may have a “genetic predisposition” to violence ... " ...



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Predisposed , no choice on behaviour ?

Should we believe that if those people would tell themselves " Be good , no violence ! " they will be good ?

But what if their Predisposition , DNA , prevents them from self-control ??? DUH !!!


" ... A leading German neurologist believes he has found an ‘evil patch’ in the brains of violent criminals.

Having spent years analysing the brains of convicted offenders for the German government, Dr Gerhard Roth now claims brain scans of rapists and murderers reveal a dark mass between the two frontal lobes.

Speaking to the Daily Mail Dr Roth said: “We showed these people short films and measured their brain waves…Whenever there were brutal and squalid scenes the subjects showed no emotions. In the areas of the brain where we create compassion and sorrow, nothing happened.”

According to Dr Roth, almost all hardened criminals have “severe shortcomings” in the part of the brain that sits in the lower forehead, leading him to believe that some offenders may have a “genetic predisposition” to violence ... " ...



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And now , ladies and gentleman , The Creator :


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3-D Printer Meets Embryonic Stem Cells

Using stem cells as the “ink” in a 3-D printer, researchers in Scotland hope to eventually build 3-D printed organs and tissues. A team at Heriot-Watt University used a specially designed valve-based technique to deposit whole, live cells onto a surface in a specific pattern ....


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Thread: Parents , the Ultimate Criminals ?? ... and Their Direct Consequence : Religion , the Ultimate Proof of Stupidity ! No Wonder !
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Just as one is stuck in a thick mud and the only way to get out is to leave behind the boots , the religious conandrums are solved by leaving religion behind , so be polite please , this a hand of help to our fellow humans .


Add your logic contributions .

1) The Designer circle : denying Evolution and accepting a 'designer' means the designer itself Must have been designed by another designer Because it could not Evolve by itself to the status of a designer ( god ) .


2) judge the 'creator' by its gory creations : consider the design process for the Prey/Predator animal kindom where most where designed to kill others in order to ... survive ! Than move to the human serial killers , etc.


3) perfection is not shared : if the designer could be Perfect than designing the human body was ... malicious ! At least the farts could have smell like roses never mind the waste of the energy packed Methane ...


4) The 'what goes around comes around ' effect : religious people deny all other religions but their own , therefore all religions are mutually nulled BY THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS with the net effect of invalidating all religions !


5) the snake-oil-salesman effect : if , for example , the Iranian Clerics , the top religious leaders , would really believe in allah than they should not Question allah's Protection and therefore should not have a military !
But because they spend a lot on the military , like most other religious countries , they are insulting allah by not Trusting him .
Further more , they don't consider that the infidels are also the creation of allah , so Why interfeer ?? Do the Iranian/etc. Clerics REALLY believe that allah could not handle its own creations , the infidels , hence it needed 'help' from Iran ??


6) the Crucifiction Soap Opera : as we are told gods know the future , they don't die and don't feel pain , so Christ ( with no pain from the 'ordeal' ) and his father both knew the outcome of the Crucifiction making the process a farce .


7) the personal choice deceit : if gods know the future they also know Your choice hence in your life you can not possibly arrive to a different choice , by ... design !


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Read between the lines on this major Demographics shift : the whites are giving up religion , they saw it , experienced it and now are garbageing it !! Ata-a-human !


Nearly half of the church’s worldwide followers now come from Latin America. With a population of nearly 200 million, Brazil is the largest Catholic country in the world.

The church is growing rapidly in Asia too, with major population centres in the Philippines, China and India.

However, it is Africa where the Catholic Church is seeing its most spectacular growth. Over the past century, the numbers of Catholics on the continent have grown from some two million in 1900 to a present day figure of 180 million.

By the year 2025, the African church is projected to rise to 230 million, when one in six Catholics worldwide will be African.

In the space of one hundred years, the balance of demographic power in the Catholic Church, in terms of its ordinary membership, has swung diametrically.


Whereas before, three-quarters of the church’s followers resided in Europe and North America, today more than 70 per cent of the world’s Catholics are living in Africa, Asia and Central, South America ...


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