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Breaking -N. Korea planning simultaneous nuclear tests – Seoul

 
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Breaking -N. Korea planning simultaneous nuclear tests – Seoul
North Korea plans to conduct two nuclear tests at once, or in quick succession, South Korea said. The prediction is based on satellite data that allegedly uncovered an uptick in activity at two tunnels at the North's Punggye-ri nuclear test site.

"There is a chance that the southern tunnel is a decoy, but we aren't ruling out that the regime will conduct nuclear tests simultaneously at both tunnels," South Korean newspaper Chosun Ilbo quoted a military source as saying.

Testing multiple devices at the same time could be part of an effort to produce smaller nuclear warheads that could be mounted on missiles, the source said.

Earlier reports suggested the test will take place before February 10 – the start of the Lunar New Year. Other reports have claimed the test will fall on February 16, the birthday of late North Korean leader Kim Jong-il.


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Thanks OP, it's going to be an interesting week.

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Plutonium test and Uranium test. There were reports of doing a simultaneous test back in Spring when everone thought the nuke tests were imminent.

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One is a North Korean weapon, the other is an Iranian weapon. Think about it, Iran will need to prove any design they have and the Koreans are a big source of tech info, they test there to cover up the fact they have reached the end of their R&D cycle, if they tested at home they would have to admit they had a weapons program and maybe face military action. This way they can still deny the program.
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We just love imminent????
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Well why don't they hurry up and do it? Watching n korea is like waiting for a constipated poodle to take a shit and about as interesting.

ie., same anticlimactic series of non events and if they do it will go up, arc and come down..then we will heave the same collective sigh we've been sighing every few months and years on end.yawn
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One is a North Korean weapon, the other is an Iranian weapon. Think about it, Iran will need to prove any design they have and the Koreans are a big source of tech info, they test there to cover up the fact they have reached the end of their R&D cycle, if they tested at home they would have to admit they had a weapons program and maybe face military action. This way they can still deny the program.
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That actually makes a ton of sense. Good call bro.
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One is a North Korean weapon, the other is an Iranian weapon. Think about it, Iran will need to prove any design they have and the Koreans are a big source of tech info, they test there to cover up the fact they have reached the end of their R&D cycle, if they tested at home they would have to admit they had a weapons program and maybe face military action. This way they can still deny the program.
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Most likely you are correct.
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One is a North Korean weapon, the other is an Iranian weapon. Think about it, Iran will need to prove any design they have and the Koreans are a big source of tech info, they test there to cover up the fact they have reached the end of their R&D cycle, if they tested at home they would have to admit they had a weapons program and maybe face military action. This way they can still deny the program.
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yes
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One is a North Korean weapon, the other is an Iranian weapon. Think about it, Iran will need to prove any design they have and the Koreans are a big source of tech info, they test there to cover up the fact they have reached the end of their R&D cycle, if they tested at home they would have to admit they had a weapons program and maybe face military action. This way they can still deny the program.
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I would go as far as to say that even if it turns out to be a single shot test, the shot will be Iranian for sure. The N.Korean program has really been dead for a while, they may struggle for the fissile material to make another test. The Iranians on the other hand are about ready by all accounts to begin testing. They sure have all the materials and the will. Would not surprise me if both shots are Iranian. If there is two I will predict they are different yields, this will be a first and last test for Iranian devices, they will make full use of this opportunity to get it all done. If they have two design they will both be tested there together. My guess is they will be very different in yield and hence the need to test both.
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Meanwhile the usa is pushing a story that Netantanyahoo is "going it alone" against syria, iran and lebanon.
If that isn't ridiculously transparent I don't know what is.
Duh, gee we fuhgot the u.s. wanted to watch israel's entertainment from a safe (transparent) distance.

Didn't we know already in 2003 this was a cover for mideast u.s. steadily advancing occupation..we knew 10 years ago and now they're talking about NKorea non-events.

NOBODY GIVES A SPIT ABOUT N KOREA. NOT EVEN KOREA.
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One is a North Korean weapon, the other is an Iranian weapon. Think about it, Iran will need to prove any design they have and the Koreans are a big source of tech info, they test there to cover up the fact they have reached the end of their R&D cycle, if they tested at home they would have to admit they had a weapons program and maybe face military action. This way they can still deny the program.
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I would go as far as to say that even if it turns out to be a single shot test, the shot will be Iranian for sure. The N.Korean program has really been dead for a while, they may struggle for the fissile material to make another test. The Iranians on the other hand are about ready by all accounts to begin testing. They sure have all the materials and the will. Would not surprise me if both shots are Iranian. If there is two I will predict they are different yields, this will be a first and last test for Iranian devices, they will make full use of this opportunity to get it all done. If they have two design they will both be tested there together. My guess is they will be very different in yield and hence the need to test both.
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I'm pretty sure the focus will be for North Korea's program but they might involve Iran in some way.... North Korea successfully tested a long range missile and all they need now is to miniaturize a warhead. With every test they get closer and closer to developing a nuclear warhead. That might be the reason for two at once...
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One is a North Korean weapon, the other is an Iranian weapon. Think about it, Iran will need to prove any design they have and the Koreans are a big source of tech info, they test there to cover up the fact they have reached the end of their R&D cycle, if they tested at home they would have to admit they had a weapons program and maybe face military action. This way they can still deny the program.
 Quoting: Fireengineer


I would go as far as to say that even if it turns out to be a single shot test, the shot will be Iranian for sure. The N.Korean program has really been dead for a while, they may struggle for the fissile material to make another test. The Iranians on the other hand are about ready by all accounts to begin testing. They sure have all the materials and the will. Would not surprise me if both shots are Iranian. If there is two I will predict they are different yields, this will be a first and last test for Iranian devices, they will make full use of this opportunity to get it all done. If they have two design they will both be tested there together. My guess is they will be very different in yield and hence the need to test both.
 Quoting: Fireengineer


I'm pretty sure the focus will be for North Korea's program but they might involve Iran in some way.... North Korea successfully tested a long range missile and all they need now is to miniaturize a warhead. With every test they get closer and closer to developing a nuclear warhead. That might be the reason for two at once...
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So what? The bigger loose cannon is Israel with 200 warheads and won't allow any inspections. What about that?
In the same way Iran's nuclear capacity is not the issue, nor syria's nor ANYBODY'S.
Occupation for resources by the u.s. is the name of the game, or are you just unable to recognize the obvious that has been going on for a full decade.
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isnt 2 the number of bombs they have altogether?
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isnt 2 the number of bombs they have altogether?
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They apparently have enough material for about 6.
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If they fire the nukes just right, the original shockwave in the ground can be added upon. Making a very sharp seismic shockwave.

Especially if the next explosion occurs right as the pulse circles the globe, making each hit stronger and stronger.
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If they fire the nukes just right, the original shockwave in the ground can be added upon. Making a very sharp seismic shockwave.

Especially if the next explosion occurs right as the pulse circles the globe, making each hit stronger and stronger.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


Yeah, no, the real world doesn't work like that.
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Test 1: Seoul.

Test 2: Tokyo.
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One is a North Korean weapon, the other is an Iranian weapon. Think about it, Iran will need to prove any design they have and the Koreans are a big source of tech info, they test there to cover up the fact they have reached the end of their R&D cycle, if they tested at home they would have to admit they had a weapons program and maybe face military action. This way they can still deny the program.
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On May 28th 1998 Pakistan detonated five nuclear weapons in the Chagai-I test.
There has been speculation that not all five nuclear devices were Pakistani in origin.
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Plutonium test and Uranium test. There were reports of doing a simultaneous test back in Spring when everone thought the nuke tests were imminent.
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This is exactly the same as last time.
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Stop stretching...
Iran doesn't need to be one of the tests...They are sharing tech. It would be the same as last time. Uranium and Plutonium.
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The ONLY reason I can see for simultaneous tests would be to so contaminate the outgassing resulting from the test (some does happen even with an underground test) that it would be difficult to determine the source of the material used in making the explosive device (ie: was the uranium from Iranian mines etc.).

IF there are two simultaneous, or near simultaneous tests then it is very plausible that they are doing a test on behalf of Iran, OR some other country.
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ill have a coffee and afterwards ill go hide under the table
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Thanks OP! hf
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[link to www.endgamebeginningofww3.com] Latest Mideast/World News

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Last Edited by --Voltaic-- on 02/04/2013 04:31 PM
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If they fire the nukes just right, the original shockwave in the ground can be added upon. Making a very sharp seismic shockwave.

Especially if the next explosion occurs right as the pulse circles the globe, making each hit stronger and stronger.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


Yeah, no, the real world doesn't work like that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589518


Ah yeah, it actually does!

The same concept can be used to bring a steel bridge down with a hammer. Just got to hit the steel exactly when the previous impulse reflects back to the point where the hammer hits.

Also the same effect that causes the goblet to break from the opera singer.

Also why the military breaks march cadence when crossing bridges.



Be sure you know what you are talking about before you open your mouth....k




example: If the shock wave travels 1000 feet per second, line up 10 bombs spaced 100 feet apart and detonate them exactly 1/10th a second apart.

The shock wave on one side will have 10 explosions combined.

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The so-called low yields of N.K. tests are in line with something specialized for EMP use.
It does not have to have a huge blast effect.
Which makes it smaller and easier to deliver on a missile for a fledgling nuke power.

And by the way.... concerning the so-called EMP fear fest...

For decades it has been standard strategic nuclear warfare protocol (going back when there were just four declared nuclear powers) to first detonate bombs very high for the emp effect.... to knock out communications, grids... and then have the city busters land just after.

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