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Upstate NY. A good friend of mine in his 50's was attacked by 5 police officers for looking into why his wifes car was surrounded by cops outside of a resturant in a small town that i grew up in.

My question is, is this legal?
This man is the most layed back easy going types you will ever run across hands down. He is a veteran and keeps to himself and is well respected in the area.

Long story short, he looked out of a window in the resturant he was eating at to see his wife's car who had just pulled in, was surrounded by cops. He walked out and asked what was going on and is imediately replied with a hostile you need to back up and go back inside right now. He says, this is my wife and my vehicle i want to know what is going on here? Officer replied, go inside now or we will toss you in the back of that car right there!
My friend turned around and started WALKING AWAY and mumbling. He told me that he said "you fucking cops are something else I tell you". Opend the door to the resturant and was half way through the door when the door was yanked open from behind him, he is grabbed by 2 officers who then start to wrestle him out of the resturant. He held onto the door while trying to figure out what was happening and before he knew it he was on the floor with 5 officers on top of him like he was a 17 year old punk. Now before he hit the floor the cops were saying "quit resisting arrest". Now, Nobody ever told him he was under arrest and he was on his way IN the door just like they had told him to do, only with a few words that I thought the 1st Amendment allows him to say, correct?

I was under the impresuon that freedom of speech allows you to say/ or not say/ whatever your heart desires.
Am i wrong? Imput wanted please as we are confused and full of anger as he re-injured his rotator cuff injury/ and had to have x-rays, and has a pretty apparant limp.

His wife even said that she asked the officers for a cup of water because she was so upset from watching them take down her husband like that, and they said no.

After a bit of research and hear say, these officers are all part time cops because the town cannot afford real cops anymore. I also found out that many of these cops are only here because they have already been booted from another towns police force for excessive cases of harassment.

This town used to have very respectable officers who were great men and had respect and love for their town and the people living in it, but now those men have retired and the people that occupy this force now is dispicable to say at best. They also hire men from way down in NYC and Long Island now to come up here and just harass instead of protect. The good people of this town have been through enough with year after year of destructive flooding.

Is this happening in other towns as well in upstate NY?

Just to top it all off, this was all over a loud exhaust fix it ticket.
My friend was hauled in and held on 2500$ bail, for resisting arrest, and acting disorderly ( or something like that).

Is this justifiable? All over a "fix it" ticket?

These are the men that will be allowed to carry the weapons that are "too dangerous" (looking) for us regular folk?
These are the men who are going to "PROTECT US?" after we hand over our weapons?

My head is spinning.

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Any more info or links,OP?

For the record, small town cops SUCK; they are WORSE than big city cops. A lot of small towns are like little banana republics or police states.
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Any more info or links,OP?

For the record, small town cops SUCK; they are WORSE than big city cops. A lot of small towns are like little banana republics or police states.
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Suggest you Edit original post, OP, so that people know this is a true story. Just re-do the title.

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Get a GOOD lawyer.
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Are you sure they didn't just hug him, because the love him for his freedoms?
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A fight started between Army officers and police somewhere in India. Some 100 army officers arrived at the police station and trashed the policemen.

My friend said that one of the army officer sat on the chest of a policeman and gave him a good beating. I had a good laugh.
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If there is no video of the encounter, it is simply your friend's word against the word of 5 cops. Your friend loses. Record all encounters with the police.

In the not-too-distant future, everyone will be live recording/broadcasting everything that happens in their life (google glasses, anyone?). You know the cops will hate that.
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Suggest you Edit original post, OP, so that people know this is a true story. Just re-do the title.

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 Quoting: 13th-Century


Thanks, no other links or anything as this is something that just happened and is really nothing other than a personal story that i am trying to shed some light on, and get some answers to.

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120 Army Men Thrash Policemen (Video)

About 120 Army personnel came to the police station later and ransacked it. Army men in six vehicles rushed to the scene. A case has now being filed over the clash.

[link to ibnlive.in.com]
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I would speculate these 5 rogue cops are the hybrids bred without empathy or emotional values to distinguish them from real people who communicate with words rather than authoritarian force.

Were seeing more and more of these types operating in law enforcement all across the world.
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120 Army Men Thrash Policemen (Video)

About 120 Army personnel came to the police station later and ransacked it. Army men in six vehicles rushed to the scene. A case has now being filed over the clash.

[link to ibnlive.in.com]
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Awesome! Wish this would happen here..

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Its your responsibility to judge these POS.
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I would speculate these 5 rogue cops are the hybrids bred without empathy or emotional values to distinguish them from real people who communicate with words rather than authoritarian force.

Were seeing more and more of these types operating in law enforcement all across the world.
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I only see it getting worse at this point
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Back to my original question, was this legal or not?
Does the 1st Amendment protect him in this situation?
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Upstate NY. A good friend of mine in his 50's was attacked by 5 police officers for looking into why his wifes car was surrounded by cops outside of a resturant in a small town that i grew up in.

My question is, is this legal?

My head is spinning.
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I wish your friend and his wife all the luck they need.

In my country things are still reasonable.
God forbid I would ever come in your your situation.
If I would tell you what my reaction would be, I WOULD NOT ONLY BE BANNED HERE FOR LIFE, BUT ALSO INCARCERATED.

wtf
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He was following the orders of the police. He's allowed to speak, and muttering anything except a death threat is legal and normally just ignored.

So, the law should side with him. Now, will it? That's a much harder question to answer.

My guess is that there is very little than can be done.
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Major errors- muttering swear words, fighting, being silent, resisting arrest.

Correct responses- ask lawful questions.

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He was following the orders of the police. He's allowed to speak, and muttering anything except a death threat is legal and normally just ignored.

So, the law should side with him. Now, will it? That's a much harder question to answer.

My guess is that there is very little than can be done.
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I agree. Nothing he can do right now, sad as it is for me to say that.

If he filed a formal complaint, the police would lie and make out he spit at somebody - which is now an assault charge.

Let it go and remember - never get into a confrontation with police. You will lose.

That is, until the change comes.
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Dude! Your friend should have obey the cop's order to back inside. If he had seen those pigs roughing up his wife, then by all means,that's the time to show those useless pigs whose the boss. Hope your friend wasn't drinking, if so, he's out of options for legal revenge.blackeye
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I would speculate these 5 rogue cops are the hybrids bred without empathy or emotional values to distinguish them from real people who communicate with words rather than authoritarian force.

Were seeing more and more of these types operating in law enforcement all across the world.
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I only see it getting worse at this point
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What town in upstate NY?
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is this the price of freedom?

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Upstate NY. A good friend of mine in his 50's was attacked by 5 police officers for looking into why his wifes car was surrounded by cops outside of a resturant in a small town that i grew up in.

My question is, is this legal?
This man is the most layed back easy going types you will ever run across hands down. He is a veteran and keeps to himself and is well respected in the area.

Long story short, he looked out of a window in the resturant he was eating at to see his wife's car who had just pulled in, was surrounded by cops. He walked out and asked what was going on and is imediately replied with a hostile you need to back up and go back inside right now. He says, this is my wife and my vehicle i want to know what is going on here? Officer replied, go inside now or we will toss you in the back of that car right there!
My friend turned around and started WALKING AWAY and mumbling. He told me that he said "you fucking cops are something else I tell you". Opend the door to the resturant and was half way through the door when the door was yanked open from behind him, he is grabbed by 2 officers who then start to wrestle him out of the resturant. He held onto the door while trying to figure out what was happening and before he knew it he was on the floor with 5 officers on top of him like he was a 17 year old punk. Now before he hit the floor the cops were saying "quit resisting arrest". Now, Nobody ever told him he was under arrest and he was on his way IN the door just like they had told him to do, only with a few words that I thought the 1st Amendment allows him to say, correct?

I was under the impresuon that freedom of speech allows you to say/ or not say/ whatever your heart desires.
Am i wrong? Imput wanted please as we are confused and full of anger as he re-injured his rotator cuff injury/ and had to have x-rays, and has a pretty apparant limp.

His wife even said that she asked the officers for a cup of water because she was so upset from watching them take down her husband like that, and they said no.

After a bit of research and hear say, these officers are all part time cops because the town cannot afford real cops anymore. I also found out that many of these cops are only here because they have already been booted from another towns police force for excessive cases of harassment.

This town used to have very respectable officers who were great men and had respect and love for their town and the people living in it, but now those men have retired and the people that occupy this force now is dispicable to say at best. They also hire men from way down in NYC and Long Island now to come up here and just harass instead of protect. The good people of this town have been through enough with year after year of destructive flooding.

Is this happening in other towns as well in upstate NY?

Just to top it all off, this was all over a loud exhaust fix it ticket.
My friend was hauled in and held on 2500$ bail, for resisting arrest, and acting disorderly ( or something like that).

Is this justifiable? All over a "fix it" ticket?

These are the men that will be allowed to carry the weapons that are "too dangerous" (looking) for us regular folk?
These are the men who are going to "PROTECT US?" after we hand over our weapons?

My head is spinning.
 Quoting: Citratox


You need a GOOD lawyer.

- Sue the town
- Sue the cops

Easy case for a good lawyer.
Lot of witnesses to this no doubt.

You may have just won the lottery.
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Upstate NY. A good friend of mine in his 50's was attacked by 5 police officers for looking into why his wifes car was surrounded by cops outside of a resturant in a small town that i grew up in.

My question is, is this legal?
This man is the most layed back easy going types you will ever run across hands down. He is a veteran and keeps to himself and is well respected in the area.

Long story short, he looked out of a window in the resturant he was eating at to see his wife's car who had just pulled in, was surrounded by cops. He walked out and asked what was going on and is imediately replied with a hostile you need to back up and go back inside right now. He says, this is my wife and my vehicle i want to know what is going on here? Officer replied, go inside now or we will toss you in the back of that car right there!
My friend turned around and started WALKING AWAY and mumbling. He told me that he said "you fucking cops are something else I tell you". Opend the door to the resturant and was half way through the door when the door was yanked open from behind him, he is grabbed by 2 officers who then start to wrestle him out of the resturant. He held onto the door while trying to figure out what was happening and before he knew it he was on the floor with 5 officers on top of him like he was a 17 year old punk. Now before he hit the floor the cops were saying "quit resisting arrest". Now, Nobody ever told him he was under arrest and he was on his way IN the door just like they had told him to do, only with a few words that I thought the 1st Amendment allows him to say, correct?

I was under the impresuon that freedom of speech allows you to say/ or not say/ whatever your heart desires.
Am i wrong? Imput wanted please as we are confused and full of anger as he re-injured his rotator cuff injury/ and had to have x-rays, and has a pretty apparant limp.

His wife even said that she asked the officers for a cup of water because she was so upset from watching them take down her husband like that, and they said no.

After a bit of research and hear say, these officers are all part time cops because the town cannot afford real cops anymore. I also found out that many of these cops are only here because they have already been booted from another towns police force for excessive cases of harassment.

This town used to have very respectable officers who were great men and had respect and love for their town and the people living in it, but now those men have retired and the people that occupy this force now is dispicable to say at best. They also hire men from way down in NYC and Long Island now to come up here and just harass instead of protect. The good people of this town have been through enough with year after year of destructive flooding.

Is this happening in other towns as well in upstate NY?

Just to top it all off, this was all over a loud exhaust fix it ticket.
My friend was hauled in and held on 2500$ bail, for resisting arrest, and acting disorderly ( or something like that).

Is this justifiable? All over a "fix it" ticket?

These are the men that will be allowed to carry the weapons that are "too dangerous" (looking) for us regular folk?
These are the men who are going to "PROTECT US?" after we hand over our weapons?

My head is spinning.
 Quoting: Citratox


You need a GOOD lawyer.

- Sue the town
- Sue the cops

Easy case for a good lawyer.
Lot of witnesses to this no doubt.

You may have just won the lottery.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


Yes they're are lots of witnesses, and after what they put them thorough I hope it happens. He also said that the officer asked him if he hunted and got a deer this year, and what type of gun he uses. He told them he had a 50 cal mounted in his tree stand
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Upstate NY. A good friend of mine in his 50's was attacked by 5 police officers for looking into why his wifes car was surrounded by cops outside of a resturant in a small town that i grew up in.

My question is, is this legal?
This man is the most layed back easy going types you will ever run across hands down. He is a veteran and keeps to himself and is well respected in the area.

Long story short, he looked out of a window in the resturant he was eating at to see his wife's car who had just pulled in, was surrounded by cops. He walked out and asked what was going on and is imediately replied with a hostile you need to back up and go back inside right now. He says, this is my wife and my vehicle i want to know what is going on here? Officer replied, go inside now or we will toss you in the back of that car right there!
My friend turned around and started WALKING AWAY and mumbling. He told me that he said "you fucking cops are something else I tell you". Opend the door to the resturant and was half way through the door when the door was yanked open from behind him, he is grabbed by 2 officers who then start to wrestle him out of the resturant. He held onto the door while trying to figure out what was happening and before he knew it he was on the floor with 5 officers on top of him like he was a 17 year old punk. Now before he hit the floor the cops were saying "quit resisting arrest". Now, Nobody ever told him he was under arrest and he was on his way IN the door just like they had told him to do, only with a few words that I thought the 1st Amendment allows him to say, correct?

I was under the impresuon that freedom of speech allows you to say/ or not say/ whatever your heart desires.
Am i wrong? Imput wanted please as we are confused and full of anger as he re-injured his rotator cuff injury/ and had to have x-rays, and has a pretty apparant limp.

His wife even said that she asked the officers for a cup of water because she was so upset from watching them take down her husband like that, and they said no.

After a bit of research and hear say, these officers are all part time cops because the town cannot afford real cops anymore. I also found out that many of these cops are only here because they have already been booted from another towns police force for excessive cases of harassment.

This town used to have very respectable officers who were great men and had respect and love for their town and the people living in it, but now those men have retired and the people that occupy this force now is dispicable to say at best. They also hire men from way down in NYC and Long Island now to come up here and just harass instead of protect. The good people of this town have been through enough with year after year of destructive flooding.

Is this happening in other towns as well in upstate NY?

Just to top it all off, this was all over a loud exhaust fix it ticket.
My friend was hauled in and held on 2500$ bail, for resisting arrest, and acting disorderly ( or something like that).

Is this justifiable? All over a "fix it" ticket?

These are the men that will be allowed to carry the weapons that are "too dangerous" (looking) for us regular folk?
These are the men who are going to "PROTECT US?" after we hand over our weapons?

My head is spinning.
 Quoting: Citratox


I'd try to get in touch with the A-Team to take care of it.
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