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Can anyone explain why the religious are so obtuse mentally, to even think outside the box?

 
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only when a person can free their minds and spirits from the thought prison that is religion do they begin to live an authentic life in line with the divinity that is within us all.

the secret religion keeps you from knowing and understanding is that you were not born damned or in need of saving.

The power of the individual is so strong that it must be crushed and controlled... and a sky god with the power to damn the unbeliever to eternal hell fire. It is an appealing notion to anyone who wants to feed and protect their false self... ego.

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A common example evolutionists will use is Lucy, which was a proven hoax. There is nothing evolution can point to at all, and no geologic column either. That was just an invention by some lawyer named Lyell.
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*example of a fossil
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I am sure you were taught to parrot this at Jerry Falwell's university or any other Christian school in the nation. AGAIN, go talk to an evolutionary biologist. They can explain these concepts to you using reality. You believe in a talking donkey and that a big star way up in the sky led people to a stable. You believe that some man named Samson killed 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass. You believe in a god who asked Jepthath to sacrifice his only daughter on an altar to him and she HAD to be a virgin. So please don't talk about evolution. First prove the shit you believe in.
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Would you like to talk about piltdown man instead? Or archaeopteryx, or the fact that haeckel's drawings are still in public books as evidence of gill slits in human embryos? Talk about whats really science, the burden of proof is not on creationists. Its on evolutionists/atheists to present one tiny little fact to support their theory (whatever it is).
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Why don't you explain how a God can exist who doesn't have a creator? The universe always existed and it is even expanding today. The universe always was so it doesn't need a creator but who created God? You can't say God always was because he could not have thought himself into existence. Explain how this God made all the planets, all the stars, all the galaxies, etc. on one single day but it took him another day just to make some simple plants on earth, and those plants grew without the sun. Before you make your silly assumptions about evolution, I think you got a lot of explaining to do yourself.

Explain how a donkey could talk using human language? Explain how a man lived in a fish for 3 days? Explain how some big star up in the sky could lead men to a stable? Explain where all the zombies went after they came out of their graves after the death of Jesus? And this could go on and on. YOu are just not intelligent enough to understand evolution, so go take a course in college. You will probably flunk out, but oh well, you always have the Bible to go back to.
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20657814,
Name just one fact that proves evolution, since it is so very proven...
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There are plenty of facts. Just go to any search engine and plug in "The truth of evolution." You would bring up thousands upon thousands of threads. Then do the opposite, pull up truth of creationism. You will get some crack pot Christians who will bring up the same stuff that has been said now for about 70 years. They never bring anything new to the table and everything they say has been disputed.

Do you know ANYTHING about Phylogenetic organisims or the DNA sequence? Do you know anything about the DNA genetic sequences of organisms? Have you studied cumulative mutations? Have you ever honestly taken a course in evolution? I will be honest. I don't know that much about it myself but I would rather believe in a brilliant scientist who has studied at Harvard university than to put my faith in some stupid pastor who is trying to make a quick buck off of people who are superstitious and gullible. Grow up. That is all you need to do.
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What are you claiming about DNA? Just the existence of information (regardless of complexity) implies an intelligent source.
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Even if there was an intelligent designer (which I highly doubt, but ID is still valid as a theory), there is no reason to believe the designer (or designers) were anything like any of the "gods" conjured up by man -- the Christian version or otherwise. Let's imagine for a moment the ID movement found that "smoking gun" somewhere in our DNA coding -- undeniable evidence that there was an intelligent designer of life (though I'm hard pressed to imagine what form that evidence would take) -- even if intelligent design could somehow be proven, it still doesn't guarantee that a "god" did the deed. I'm half-joking, but it could have been aliens, right? (And even though there is no solid evidence aliens have visited us, there is good reason to believe alien life exists on other planets and could somehow have played a hand in our origin). Or, it could have been any other kind of intelligent creator that hasn't yet been dreamed up by humans, something entirely unknown to us. So, the "faithful" (read: people who don't require evidence in order to fully believe something, even to the point of waging wars) who look to ID as a potential scientific buttress for their belief system should abandon the idea, because proof of an intelligent designer is a far cry from proof of a particular specific deity -- or even a deity at all.
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Also, I take issue with the idea that because something "looks coded" it was in fact truly intelligently designed. Stephen Meyer (Author of "Signature in the cell") cites the Rosetta Stone as a case for something that we wouldn't try to explain away based on natural phenomena -- that we obviously see the handiwork of intelligent design there and call it as such. He also uses the analogy of computer programming. Well, the difference between those things and the DNA found in life is that we're talking about millions of years when it comes to how life evolved. Sure, only intelligent, purposeful design could create computers or Rosetta Stones on an accelerated timetable, but given millions of years it's possible that something that "looks" intelligently coded is really the result of life forms grinding out and competing for survival over eons. Rosetta Stones and computers were created by intelligent life forms for a purpose, but were borne out by physical processes that can be pointed to -- chisels carving rock, machines soldering computer chips. What physical processes -- other than those of evolution could have borne out something like DNA? Was there a "biological factory" somewhere, where life was forged? Just because our only examples of complex, coded things were created by humans in a relatively short period of time, it does not mean that the only yet unexplained example of something that appears coded -- life -- could not have arisen "randomly" given enough time and variation. Flip enough coins, or randomly generate binary code, and patterns will appear, but no one would argue there was an "intelligent force" behind them. Add to those random events a lot of time and the shaping forces of natural selection and random mutation and something that "looks" coded could well "accidentally" appear... and take on life of its own.
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, "The righteous shall live by faith."

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.

For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.

For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Claiming to be wise, they became fools,
and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,

because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
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You need to believe in God because you are desperate for immortality

no, I believe in other worlds and immortality because I have been out of the body several times now, and have met several others who also have been out of body.


I am in or attached to this body, but I can also separte myself from it in full consciousness.


Ergo, there is no reason not to think I will survive when this body stops.
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Well, if you do drugs like acid, you can have an OBE. I think you probably imagined being out of body. It is easy to do if you are tired or emotional. That doesn't make some god real. It only means that you detached emotionally.
Think of dreams, they are like having an OBE every night. But dreams don't prove god. So I guess you are going to claim you met "god" on your trip and he told you some secrets. I don't believe you. I am sorry. The fact that you believe in this obnoxious god is proof enough for me that you are telling lies, just like your daddy.
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Did you see God on some DMT trip or something? Just askin. I don't know. Maybe you could be right but you could just as well be wrong. I think that there is no such thing as a spirit or a soul but maybe I am wrong. I guess you have to prove your beliefs because you are the one who believes them. I have nothing to prove, as I do not believe in any supernatural type stories, unless I make em up myself.

I guess if I came in contact with a god, through a trip or some out of body type experience, I may believe. But I know that acid can make you see some pretty crazy stuff, you know. That is your brain being fried, like an egg, that has nothing to do with some god. I would like to believe we go back to source and somehow experience oneness with it but I still do doubt that and I am way, way older than you...so I win.
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How would you react and what would you think if you had an Outer-Body-Experience (OBE)? If you found your conscious awareness residing outside of and operating independent of your physical body, how would you make sense of that?

You sound like a critical thinker but I also get the impression that you have been disillusioned by the influence of those who push their dogmatic religious views about 'God' and the afterlife so it's made you dismiss the concepts all together. Is this accurate?

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There are plenty of facts. Just go to any search engine and plug in "The truth of evolution." You would bring up thousands upon thousands of threads. Then do the opposite, pull up truth of creationism. You will get some crack pot Christians who will bring up the same stuff that has been said now for about 70 years. They never bring anything new to the table and everything they say has been disputed.

Do you know ANYTHING about Phylogenetic organisims or the DNA sequence? Do you know anything about the DNA genetic sequences of organisms? Have you studied cumulative mutations? Have you ever honestly taken a course in evolution? I will be honest. I don't know that much about it myself but I would rather believe in a brilliant scientist who has studied at Harvard university than to put my faith in some stupid pastor who is trying to make a quick buck off of people who are superstitious and gullible. Grow up. That is all you need to do.
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What are you claiming about DNA? Just the existence of information (regardless of complexity) implies an intelligent source.
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Even if there was an intelligent designer (which I highly doubt, but ID is still valid as a theory), there is no reason to believe the designer (or designers) were anything like any of the "gods" conjured up by man -- the Christian version or otherwise. Let's imagine for a moment the ID movement found that "smoking gun" somewhere in our DNA coding -- undeniable evidence that there was an intelligent designer of life (though I'm hard pressed to imagine what form that evidence would take) -- even if intelligent design could somehow be proven, it still doesn't guarantee that a "god" did the deed. I'm half-joking, but it could have been aliens, right? (And even though there is no solid evidence aliens have visited us, there is good reason to believe alien life exists on other planets and could somehow have played a hand in our origin). Or, it could have been any other kind of intelligent creator that hasn't yet been dreamed up by humans, something entirely unknown to us. So, the "faithful" (read: people who don't require evidence in order to fully believe something, even to the point of waging wars) who look to ID as a potential scientific buttress for their belief system should abandon the idea, because proof of an intelligent designer is a far cry from proof of a particular specific deity -- or even a deity at all.
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Also, I take issue with the idea that because something "looks coded" it was in fact truly intelligently designed. Stephen Meyer (Author of "Signature in the cell") cites the Rosetta Stone as a case for something that we wouldn't try to explain away based on natural phenomena -- that we obviously see the handiwork of intelligent design there and call it as such. He also uses the analogy of computer programming. Well, the difference between those things and the DNA found in life is that we're talking about millions of years when it comes to how life evolved. Sure, only intelligent, purposeful design could create computers or Rosetta Stones on an accelerated timetable, but given millions of years it's possible that something that "looks" intelligently coded is really the result of life forms grinding out and competing for survival over eons. Rosetta Stones and computers were created by intelligent life forms for a purpose, but were borne out by physical processes that can be pointed to -- chisels carving rock, machines soldering computer chips. What physical processes -- other than those of evolution could have borne out something like DNA? Was there a "biological factory" somewhere, where life was forged? Just because our only examples of complex, coded things were created by humans in a relatively short period of time, it does not mean that the only yet unexplained example of something that appears coded -- life -- could not have arisen "randomly" given enough time and variation. Flip enough coins, or randomly generate binary code, and patterns will appear, but no one would argue there was an "intelligent force" behind them. Add to those random events a lot of time and the shaping forces of natural selection and random mutation and something that "looks" coded could well "accidentally" appear... and take on life of its own.
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I think the theory about aliens makes much more sense than any of our traditional religions do. There has to be life on other planets. The ancient books, even the Bible, speak of the Nephilim coming to earth, having sexual relations with women, and having children. In every religion there is some mention of snake gods, reptilians, or whatever you want to call them. The American Indians talked about them, named their tribes after them. The teaching of these reptilians is prevalent in China and Japan and really all over the world, except for places where this knowledge has been systematically destroyed.
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Would you like to talk about piltdown man instead? Or archaeopteryx, or the fact that haeckel's drawings are still in public books as evidence of gill slits in human embryos? Talk about whats really science, the burden of proof is not on creationists. Its on evolutionists/atheists to present one tiny little fact to support their theory (whatever it is).
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Piltdown Man was never used as evidence for evolution and may never have been used as evidence for anything but Piltdown Man. In any case, teaching that one person's hoax can undermine all of a science falsely teaches that science is very fragile and based on little evidence. It also falsely teaches students it is scientific to generalize from one thing to everything on the basis of one data point.

In regards to Haeckels embryo drawing's, unfortunately he faked some of the drawings to show similarities that were not there. However, anti-evolutionists assume that scientists get their data about biological development from these old drawings. They say that because these drawings were fudged, there is no evidence for evolution in developmental biology.
Again we have a case of an anti-evolutionist confusing an illustration with evidence. (The peppered moth is another example.) It is also a huge leap to conclude that one person's misdeed invalidates all of a science. But this is what Wells' “weakness” argument teaches. Wells' book did have one benefit, though: Haeckel's drawings have since been removed from most textbooks.
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No, your presumptions about why Christians think outside the box are completely wrong. And your excuses for why atheists don't are illogical themselves.

Christians use logic and science, and not all atheists do, as shown here in the straw man being burned. What atheists do is to put all of reality into a tiny, physical box and then demand proof of the non-physical; this is stacking the deck. If you make a thermometer that goes from 50 degrees to a hundred, can you use it to prove that no temperature ever goes lower than 50 or higher than a hundred? Of course not, but that's what materialism/naturalism does; it constricts all data to the natural and then proclaims that the supernatural doesn't exist! Anti-science and anti-logic to the core.
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Here is the thing, the reality is that the supernatural DOES NOT exist. You actually know this yourself. Everyone does. We live in a natural world that obeys the laws of nature. For instance, in the Bible is a story of a donkey talking to Balaam while walking down some road. This is the kind of story that Christians believe with no questions asked.

I believe this is a form of conditioning that has been foisted upon the Christian since childhood. It is sad, actually. They can't just let it go. They need an intervention. I read the story of elephants who were held by chains when they were young. As they got older, the chains were replaced by rope, but the elephants (who could have easily broken away from the rope) still remain tied and do not try to escape.

The same thing happens to those in cults. Many times, these people need intervention to break away from their brainwashing. So it is not your fault that you cling so desperately to myths and fantasies. These stories make you feel good. They give you a purpose. Atheists have broken those ropes, so to speak. That is all there really is to say. All the things you believe in that have a supernatural, invisible, or imaginary origin are not real. They are part of your imagination and you need them.
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As soon as you say "the supernatural doesn't exist", you're telling me that your 50-100 thermometer is measuring all possible temperatures. It is illogical and unscientific. So when you say a donkey can't be made by God to speak, you're saying no temperature can ever go above 100 because your thermometer doesn't allow it, and everyone knows no temperature can ever go higher. See the problem?

I believe that this denial of the supernatural is a defense mechanism of some kind, a wishing away of forces and realities that frighten people. And yes, that's sad; they just can't bear to look up because they're afraid of what they might see.

But calling me brainwashed? Maybe it's you...
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Look, it is completely against logic, reason, common sense and even intelligence to believe that a donkey talked to some man, using human language because "God did it." It is rather unbelievable, actually, to someone who hasn't been programmed and brainwashed, like me.

I want you to be honest here. If there was a story about a bright pink monkey that had white glossy wings that spoke to some biblical prophet and told him that he would be a instrument of the Lord, YOU WOULD BELIEVE IT. The fact is, there is NO story in the Bible, no matter how bizarre, that you would not believe. There is no story in the Koran that a person of the Islam faith would not believe. You are bowing down to a book. Books like these belong on a shelf in a library under the title, "Fiction."

Show me one example of something supernatural happening in the world today that could not be explained by science. Tell me why prayer is completely ineffective. You know this world does not operate the way you want it to. There is no magic, no fairies, no elves, no gods, no demons, etc.

There is a good rule to follow. If it can be proven, you should believe it. If it can't be proven, you should suspend your belief in it. There is no reason to believe in anything without some sort of proof, scientific or otherwise. We all need to grow up sometime.
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And there lay the hubris and foolishness of science. There was a time when gravity was magical. Now everyone knows about it. But there were also people who decided that looking for gravity was a waste of time and even heresy... and that'd be the roll you're playing now.

The idea that things that can't be proven should be dismissed goes against the very tenants of scientific discovery.

repugnant. Perhaps things that can't be proven simply need for someone to come along with a way to prove them.
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Did you see God on some DMT trip or something? Just askin. I don't know. Maybe you could be right but you could just as well be wrong. I think that there is no such thing as a spirit or a soul but maybe I am wrong. I guess you have to prove your beliefs because you are the one who believes them. I have nothing to prove, as I do not believe in any supernatural type stories, unless I make em up myself.

I guess if I came in contact with a god, through a trip or some out of body type experience, I may believe. But I know that acid can make you see some pretty crazy stuff, you know. That is your brain being fried, like an egg, that has nothing to do with some god. I would like to believe we go back to source and somehow experience oneness with it but I still do doubt that and I am way, way older than you...so I win.
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How would you react and what would you think if you had an Outer-Body-Experience (OBE)? If you found your conscious awareness residing outside of and operating independent of your physical body, how would you make sense of that?

You sound like a critical thinker but I also get the impression that you have been disillusioned by the influence of those who push their dogmatic religious views about 'God' and the afterlife so it's made you dismiss the concepts all together. Is this accurate?
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If I had an OBE, and I once had an "experience" when I was younger, I just attributed it to my brain, if you know what I'm saying. I think that when my brain dies, I will be gone. I think all the supernatural, out of body experiences, like dreams, happen because of our brain. But I don't think we live on after death...but I could be wrong, of course.

I have the tendency to look toward the natural. I have had some really weird and unexplainable things happen to me but I think I search for some reasoning in the realm of reality. Sometimes it is hard to find. But I don't see the possibility of some caring god who is looking down from heaven at this mess we have made of the earth and who would not lift a single heavenly finger to change things. I think that God would be barbaric.

Imagine watching while children starve to death on a daily basis, and not doing a thing. God can supposedly do anything. Would he not make their land compatible to grow crops? Would he not give them water? I think we would like to think we live forever but I don't want to live forever. So maybe that explains it. I wish to die and be no more. I don't have that desire. Desire always influences our beliefs. Don't you think?
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I think the theory about aliens makes much more sense than any of our traditional religions do. There has to be life on other planets. The ancient books, even the Bible, speak of the Nephilim coming to earth, having sexual relations with women, and having children. In every religion there is some mention of snake gods, reptilians, or whatever you want to call them. The American Indians talked about them, named their tribes after them. The teaching of these reptilians is prevalent in China and Japan and really all over the world, except for places where this knowledge has been systematically destroyed.
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they've already invested too much in the idea. to destroy the idea would literally destroy their mind. its like an inoperable brain tumor man
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I agree. If tomorrow "science" discovered that evo is bunk and there really is a Designer, they'd go barking mad.
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Science has already proven evolution. That is why it is a difficult course taught in college. Some invisible man in the sky did not create man out of dirt and then make a woman from the man's rib. It just doesn't work that way. There was no man who created a big boat and then swam to that segregated land mass of Australia and picked up a couple of kangaroos, put them on his back, and swam back across the ocean so they could ride in his big boat that survived the big flood. Isn't it more LOGICAL that the animals in Australia evolved differently? Look, you will never be able to prove the Bible or God by using logic, reason, common sense or any type of intelligence. You will lose.
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no sir, it did not. That's why it's still called the theory of evolution.

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Would you like to talk about piltdown man instead? Or archaeopteryx, or the fact that haeckel's drawings are still in public books as evidence of gill slits in human embryos? Talk about whats really science, the burden of proof is not on creationists. Its on evolutionists/atheists to present one tiny little fact to support their theory (whatever it is).
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Piltdown Man was never used as evidence for evolution and may never have been used as evidence for anything but Piltdown Man. In any case, teaching that one person's hoax can undermine all of a science falsely teaches that science is very fragile and based on little evidence. It also falsely teaches students it is scientific to generalize from one thing to everything on the basis of one data point.

In regards to Haeckels embryo drawing's, unfortunately he faked some of the drawings to show similarities that were not there. However, anti-evolutionists assume that scientists get their data about biological development from these old drawings. They say that because these drawings were fudged, there is no evidence for evolution in developmental biology.
Again we have a case of an anti-evolutionist confusing an illustration with evidence. (The peppered moth is another example.) It is also a huge leap to conclude that one person's misdeed invalidates all of a science. But this is what Wells' “weakness” argument teaches. Wells' book did have one benefit, though: Haeckel's drawings have since been removed from most textbooks.
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Thank you. I don't know enough about evolution to say all that. They, unfortunately, won't listen to the evidence and they will continue to question the same old things over and over again. It is like talking to a wall.
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I think the theory about aliens makes much more sense than any of our traditional religions do. There has to be life on other planets. The ancient books, even the Bible, speak of the Nephilim coming to earth, having sexual relations with women, and having children. In every religion there is some mention of snake gods, reptilians, or whatever you want to call them. The American Indians talked about them, named their tribes after them. The teaching of these reptilians is prevalent in China and Japan and really all over the world, except for places where this knowledge has been systematically destroyed.
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It is too late for me to watch those videos but I am going to presume that the old man is telling me that aliens are demons and then I'm gonna laugh. I need a laugh tonight, but no thanks. I've heard it all before and demons don't travel in flying saucers. If these videos are something else, give me a brief synopsis and I will watch them tomorrow.
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I think the theory about aliens makes much more sense than any of our traditional religions do. There has to be life on other planets. The ancient books, even the Bible, speak of the Nephilim coming to earth, having sexual relations with women, and having children. In every religion there is some mention of snake gods, reptilians, or whatever you want to call them. The American Indians talked about them, named their tribes after them. The teaching of these reptilians is prevalent in China and Japan and really all over the world, except for places where this knowledge has been systematically destroyed.
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It is too late for me to watch those videos but I am going to presume that the old man is telling me that aliens are demons and then I'm gonna laugh. I need a laugh tonight, but no thanks. I've heard it all before and demons don't travel in flying saucers. If these videos are something else, give me a brief synopsis and I will watch them tomorrow.
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Really? Know some demons do ya? How do they get around?
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Here is the thing, the reality is that the supernatural DOES NOT exist. You actually know this yourself. Everyone does. We live in a natural world that obeys the laws of nature. For instance, in the Bible is a story of a donkey talking to Balaam while walking down some road. This is the kind of story that Christians believe with no questions asked.

I believe this is a form of conditioning that has been foisted upon the Christian since childhood. It is sad, actually. They can't just let it go. They need an intervention. I read the story of elephants who were held by chains when they were young. As they got older, the chains were replaced by rope, but the elephants (who could have easily broken away from the rope) still remain tied and do not try to escape.

The same thing happens to those in cults. Many times, these people need intervention to break away from their brainwashing. So it is not your fault that you cling so desperately to myths and fantasies. These stories make you feel good. They give you a purpose. Atheists have broken those ropes, so to speak. That is all there really is to say. All the things you believe in that have a supernatural, invisible, or imaginary origin are not real. They are part of your imagination and you need them.
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As soon as you say "the supernatural doesn't exist", you're telling me that your 50-100 thermometer is measuring all possible temperatures. It is illogical and unscientific. So when you say a donkey can't be made by God to speak, you're saying no temperature can ever go above 100 because your thermometer doesn't allow it, and everyone knows no temperature can ever go higher. See the problem?

I believe that this denial of the supernatural is a defense mechanism of some kind, a wishing away of forces and realities that frighten people. And yes, that's sad; they just can't bear to look up because they're afraid of what they might see.

But calling me brainwashed? Maybe it's you...
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Look, it is completely against logic, reason, common sense and even intelligence to believe that a donkey talked to some man, using human language because "God did it." It is rather unbelievable, actually, to someone who hasn't been programmed and brainwashed, like me.

I want you to be honest here. If there was a story about a bright pink monkey that had white glossy wings that spoke to some biblical prophet and told him that he would be a instrument of the Lord, YOU WOULD BELIEVE IT. The fact is, there is NO story in the Bible, no matter how bizarre, that you would not believe. There is no story in the Koran that a person of the Islam faith would not believe. You are bowing down to a book. Books like these belong on a shelf in a library under the title, "Fiction."

Show me one example of something supernatural happening in the world today that could not be explained by science. Tell me why prayer is completely ineffective. You know this world does not operate the way you want it to. There is no magic, no fairies, no elves, no gods, no demons, etc.

There is a good rule to follow. If it can be proven, you should believe it. If it can't be proven, you should suspend your belief in it. There is no reason to believe in anything without some sort of proof, scientific or otherwise. We all need to grow up sometime.
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And there lay the hubris and foolishness of science. There was a time when gravity was magical. Now everyone knows about it. But there were also people who decided that looking for gravity was a waste of time and even heresy... and that'd be the roll you're playing now.

The idea that things that can't be proven should be dismissed goes against the very tenants of scientific discovery.

repugnant. Perhaps things that can't be proven simply need for someone to come along with a way to prove them.
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Except that evolution has already been proven, we have fossil evidence. And except for the fact that God can NEVER be proven. What God are you going to prove exists? Does it HAVE to be the Christian God? Are you in with the Muslim God? Are you going to say that the Mormons and Joseph Smith have the correct God? OR maybe the Hindu people are correct about their many gods? Or maybe Calvinists have the right god, or the anabaptists or the Brethren. Science makes scientific discoveries. Religions try to make "god" discoveries and they always fail.
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I think the theory about aliens makes much more sense than any of our traditional religions do. There has to be life on other planets. The ancient books, even the Bible, speak of the Nephilim coming to earth, having sexual relations with women, and having children. In every religion there is some mention of snake gods, reptilians, or whatever you want to call them. The American Indians talked about them, named their tribes after them. The teaching of these reptilians is prevalent in China and Japan and really all over the world, except for places where this knowledge has been systematically destroyed.
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It is too late for me to watch those videos but I am going to presume that the old man is telling me that aliens are demons and then I'm gonna laugh. I need a laugh tonight, but no thanks. I've heard it all before and demons don't travel in flying saucers. If these videos are something else, give me a brief synopsis and I will watch them tomorrow.
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Really? Know some demons do ya? How do they get around?
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Nope, don't know any demons. Are you one? And I have never seen any aliens. I have the tendency to not believe in things that haven't been proven by science. That's for you to do.
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Except that evolution has already been proven, we have fossil evidence.
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There is absolutely no proof for evolution. It is another FAITH.

Fossils do not prove evolution. Fossils prove that things died.
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they've already invested too much in the idea. to destroy the idea would literally destroy their mind. its like an inoperable brain tumor man
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I agree. If tomorrow "science" discovered that evo is bunk and there really is a Designer, they'd go barking mad.
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Science has already proven evolution. That is why it is a difficult course taught in college. Some invisible man in the sky did not create man out of dirt and then make a woman from the man's rib. It just doesn't work that way. There was no man who created a big boat and then swam to that segregated land mass of Australia and picked up a couple of kangaroos, put them on his back, and swam back across the ocean so they could ride in his big boat that survived the big flood. Isn't it more LOGICAL that the animals in Australia evolved differently? Look, you will never be able to prove the Bible or God by using logic, reason, common sense or any type of intelligence. You will lose.
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no sir, it did not. That's why it's still called the theory of evolution.
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Yes, sir, it definitely did. And I am not a sir, I am a woman. But anyway, go take a course in college on evolution. They call it the theory of evolution, kind of like they call it the theory of gravity. So the theory of gravity is in the same class as the theory of evolution. You believe in gravity, don't you?
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Yes, sir, it definitely did.
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By the very definition of science, it has done no such thing.
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As soon as you say "the supernatural doesn't exist", you're telling me that your 50-100 thermometer is measuring all possible temperatures. It is illogical and unscientific. So when you say a donkey can't be made by God to speak, you're saying no temperature can ever go above 100 because your thermometer doesn't allow it, and everyone knows no temperature can ever go higher. See the problem?

I believe that this denial of the supernatural is a defense mechanism of some kind, a wishing away of forces and realities that frighten people. And yes, that's sad; they just can't bear to look up because they're afraid of what they might see.

But calling me brainwashed? Maybe it's you...
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Look, it is completely against logic, reason, common sense and even intelligence to believe that a donkey talked to some man, using human language because "God did it." It is rather unbelievable, actually, to someone who hasn't been programmed and brainwashed, like me.

I want you to be honest here. If there was a story about a bright pink monkey that had white glossy wings that spoke to some biblical prophet and told him that he would be a instrument of the Lord, YOU WOULD BELIEVE IT. The fact is, there is NO story in the Bible, no matter how bizarre, that you would not believe. There is no story in the Koran that a person of the Islam faith would not believe. You are bowing down to a book. Books like these belong on a shelf in a library under the title, "Fiction."

Show me one example of something supernatural happening in the world today that could not be explained by science. Tell me why prayer is completely ineffective. You know this world does not operate the way you want it to. There is no magic, no fairies, no elves, no gods, no demons, etc.

There is a good rule to follow. If it can be proven, you should believe it. If it can't be proven, you should suspend your belief in it. There is no reason to believe in anything without some sort of proof, scientific or otherwise. We all need to grow up sometime.
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And there lay the hubris and foolishness of science. There was a time when gravity was magical. Now everyone knows about it. But there were also people who decided that looking for gravity was a waste of time and even heresy... and that'd be the roll you're playing now.

The idea that things that can't be proven should be dismissed goes against the very tenants of scientific discovery.

repugnant. Perhaps things that can't be proven simply need for someone to come along with a way to prove them.
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Except that evolution has already been proven, we have fossil evidence. And except for the fact that God can NEVER be proven. What God are you going to prove exists? Does it HAVE to be the Christian God? Are you in with the Muslim God? Are you going to say that the Mormons and Joseph Smith have the correct God? OR maybe the Hindu people are correct about their many gods? Or maybe Calvinists have the right god, or the anabaptists or the Brethren. Science makes scientific discoveries. Religions try to make "god" discoveries and they always fail.
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No ma'am, evolutionary THEORY has not been proven. That's scientific arrogance without solid proof.

As for which God? I have no idea. I'm not in this debate on one side or the other. I'm in this debate because there's hubris on both sides and the truth is lying in the middle, as it always is. To dismiss one or the other is the obtuse part of all this. To claim supreme authority on the subject and to discount all other viewpoints is the very thing that will hamstring both searches. You began all this claiming that the religious are 'stuck in the box'. The statement is true, but no more true than for yourself. You don't want to search all possibilities, only those you understand. Which, by the way, is the exact same thing you accuse the religious of.

repugnant, destructive, and obtuse.

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Except that evolution has already been proven, we have fossil evidence.
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There is absolutely no proof for evolution. It is another FAITH.

Fossils do not prove evolution. Fossils prove that things died.
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Okay, I am going to bed. Have it your way. Fossils don't prove evolution and I just wasted a bunch of money to send my kids to college. God created the world in six days and then he needed to rest. God spoke to Moses in a burning bush, then ten days later, he decided he would kill Moses instead. But Moses had his wife cut the tip of their son's penis off, smear the blood all over his feet, and then God spared Moses. And we all know that all these stories are great and lovely and so true.

Of course, Lot sent his virgin daughters out so that a crowd of people could have sex with them. He was just trying to protect the angels that came to his door. And which Bible character was it that had two daughters that got him drunk and raped him so they could get pregnant and carry on the family name. I can't recall that name but it might have been Lot or Jack from the Beanstalk. Fill me in. And we have that man named Jonah who was living in a whale and he lit a candle and then the whale sneezed him up on dry land. And that could be Pinnochio that I'm thinking about too, but it is late. So thank you. I now believe in Bible God.
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Evolution is a new faith with new high priests.
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I agree. If tomorrow "science" discovered that evo is bunk and there really is a Designer, they'd go barking mad.
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Science has already proven evolution. That is why it is a difficult course taught in college. Some invisible man in the sky did not create man out of dirt and then make a woman from the man's rib. It just doesn't work that way. There was no man who created a big boat and then swam to that segregated land mass of Australia and picked up a couple of kangaroos, put them on his back, and swam back across the ocean so they could ride in his big boat that survived the big flood. Isn't it more LOGICAL that the animals in Australia evolved differently? Look, you will never be able to prove the Bible or God by using logic, reason, common sense or any type of intelligence. You will lose.
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no sir, it did not. That's why it's still called the theory of evolution.
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Yes, sir, it definitely did. And I am not a sir, I am a woman. But anyway, go take a course in college on evolution. They call it the theory of evolution, kind of like they call it the theory of gravity. So the theory of gravity is in the same class as the theory of evolution. You believe in gravity, don't you?
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Apologies for the sir when it should have been a ma'am. So, you think I should go listen to other people who only believe one way so that I can understand 'how it is'?

Madame, you just invited me to your church. See you Sunday.
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The same can be said about atheists. Atheism has every trait of a religion, but we can't tell you that eh? Just watch, when you all find out your TRUE purpose.scheming Here's a hint...Albert Pike.

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1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

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Look, it is completely against logic, reason, common sense and even intelligence to believe that a donkey talked to some man, using human language because "God did it." It is rather unbelievable, actually, to someone who hasn't been programmed and brainwashed, like me.

I want you to be honest here. If there was a story about a bright pink monkey that had white glossy wings that spoke to some biblical prophet and told him that he would be a instrument of the Lord, YOU WOULD BELIEVE IT. The fact is, there is NO story in the Bible, no matter how bizarre, that you would not believe. There is no story in the Koran that a person of the Islam faith would not believe. You are bowing down to a book. Books like these belong on a shelf in a library under the title, "Fiction."

Show me one example of something supernatural happening in the world today that could not be explained by science. Tell me why prayer is completely ineffective. You know this world does not operate the way you want it to. There is no magic, no fairies, no elves, no gods, no demons, etc.

There is a good rule to follow. If it can be proven, you should believe it. If it can't be proven, you should suspend your belief in it. There is no reason to believe in anything without some sort of proof, scientific or otherwise. We all need to grow up sometime.
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And there lay the hubris and foolishness of science. There was a time when gravity was magical. Now everyone knows about it. But there were also people who decided that looking for gravity was a waste of time and even heresy... and that'd be the roll you're playing now.

The idea that things that can't be proven should be dismissed goes against the very tenants of scientific discovery.

repugnant. Perhaps things that can't be proven simply need for someone to come along with a way to prove them.
 Quoting: VeryNigh

Except that evolution has already been proven, we have fossil evidence. And except for the fact that God can NEVER be proven. What God are you going to prove exists? Does it HAVE to be the Christian God? Are you in with the Muslim God? Are you going to say that the Mormons and Joseph Smith have the correct God? OR maybe the Hindu people are correct about their many gods? Or maybe Calvinists have the right god, or the anabaptists or the Brethren. Science makes scientific discoveries. Religions try to make "god" discoveries and they always fail.
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No ma'am, evolutionary THEORY has not been proven. That's scientific arrogance without solid proof.

As for which God? I have no idea. I'm not in this debate on one side or the other. I'm in this debate because there's hubris on both sides and the truth is lying in the middle, as it always is. To dismiss one or the other is the obtuse part of all this. To claim supreme authority on the subject and to discount all other view points is the very thing that will hamstring both searches. You began all this claiming that the religious are 'stuck in the box'. The statement is true, but no more true than for yourself. You don't want to search all possibilities, only those you understand. Which, by the way, is the exact same thing you accuse the the religious of.

repugnant, destructive, and obtuse.
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Well, who the hell do you believe in then? Are you some limp wristed, I will let others decide my truth for me, type of people? You gotta take a stand somewhere. You gotta believe in something. You take that chance that you could be wrong but your position is just ridiculous. Sitting on the fence, waiting until someone comes up with something that tickles your ears? Grow up. Decide what you want to believe and then tell people about it.
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Science has already proven evolution. That is why it is a difficult course taught in college. Some invisible man in the sky did not create man out of dirt and then make a woman from the man's rib. It just doesn't work that way. There was no man who created a big boat and then swam to that segregated land mass of Australia and picked up a couple of kangaroos, put them on his back, and swam back across the ocean so they could ride in his big boat that survived the big flood. Isn't it more LOGICAL that the animals in Australia evolved differently? Look, you will never be able to prove the Bible or God by using logic, reason, common sense or any type of intelligence. You will lose.
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no sir, it did not. That's why it's still called the theory of evolution.
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Yes, sir, it definitely did. And I am not a sir, I am a woman. But anyway, go take a course in college on evolution. They call it the theory of evolution, kind of like they call it the theory of gravity. So the theory of gravity is in the same class as the theory of evolution. You believe in gravity, don't you?
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Apologies for the sir when it should have been a ma'am. So, you think I should go listen to other people who only believe one way so that I can understand 'how it is'?

Madame, you just invited me to your church. See you Sunday.
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Sorry, I don't go to church so I can't invite you.
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Except that evolution has already been proven, we have fossil evidence.
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There is absolutely no proof for evolution. It is another FAITH.

Fossils do not prove evolution. Fossils prove that things died.
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Proof by belief creates truth vacuously. Proof by fact defines truth incompletely, yet provides a consistent frame to expand understanding. Where theory crosses into fact may be a function only of one's desire or ability to comprehend accumulating fact.

It's effectively impossible to prove the scientific rational to those who entertain only belief, and those who substitute belief for fact do so at their (and unfortunately others) peril. The deeper more interesting question is, "Why do they do so?"

Substitute the word "gravity" for "evolution" during creationist arguments. What do you conclude? Those who wish to explore divine intervention should post to philosophy or religion, and leave science alone.
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The same can be said about atheists. Atheism has every trait of a religion, but we can't tell you that eh? Just watch, when you all find out your TRUE purpose.scheming Here's a hint...Albert Pike.
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Yeah, I know all about Pike. He is going to turn the Christians against the atheists. The Christians (kind hearted sweethearts that they are) are going to kill all the atheists. Then they are going to become disillusioned with their own stupid religion of Christianity and look for a new savior which will be Pike's One world Order. I will be dead and you will be a slave. I think I will be in better shape.

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