Can anyone explain why the religious are so obtuse mentally, to even think outside the box?

They shave their face with some mace in the dark...

Maybe they are that way because they haven't read this short story and lecture in the link below about "Love."

[link to bvml.org]

wow - this place is really crawling with know-it-all's once again tonight - this is why glp is sucking bad

You don't think life after death is thinking outside the box?

Perhaps you are not the trail blazer you like to think you are.

The lie is comforting. The truth is too scary for them. Most of us were raised Christian. It gets indoctrinated early and becomes a part of us. We can either accept the programming or search for truth. I chose the latter.

I have done my research. God is real open your eyes.

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puleez not another holier-than-thou new ager - this place has been overrun by new age know-it-all zombies

Yep.

Why is it that if a person has moved from one viewpoint to another, they assume they went "up" or "higher"? There's an old saying about "jumping from the frying pan to the fire" that applies here.

Funny, I am religious and I always wonder why agnostics/atheists can't think outside the box.

If he/she/it really is real, it is up to you to prove it. You say, "Open your eyes." But that is insulting. Don't you think that every person out there has at one time searched for God, opened their eyes, and most of us find nothing and no one there.

So where is your proof? What is your evidence? Or are you just being a smart ass?

THere is absolutely no research you could have done to have any concrete proof that there is God. And which God would this be? You have to know there are hundreds of different religions. So what "God" did you find? If you can't answer any of these questions, maybe you shouldn't be so cocky? Just sayin.

It depends on what you mean by outside the box. No, atheists don't think outside the box in that we believe in what we can see, hear, taste, touch, feel, or what science has proven by tested theories and we believe in facts, and logic and reason.

Christians think outside the box because they believe in magical things, invisible gods, demons, satan, angels, ghosts, etc. They are superstitious and kind of like back woods type people. If you call that thinking outside of the box, then perhaps. I guess you have to explain what outside the box means.

No, your presumptions about why Christians think outside the box are completely wrong. And your excuses for why atheists don't are illogical themselves.

Christians use logic and science, and not all atheists do, as shown here in the straw man being burned. What atheists do is to put all of reality into a tiny, physical box and then demand proof of the non-physical; this is stacking the deck. If you make a thermometer that goes from 50 degrees to a hundred, can you use it to prove that no temperature ever goes lower than 50 or higher than a hundred? Of course not, but that's what materialism/naturalism does; it constricts all data to the natural and then proclaims that the supernatural doesn't exist! Anti-science and anti-logic to the core.

Well let's interject some logic then.

If Man is a word...

and Words represent Ideas...

and Ideas come from within Man...


Then Man is just an idea, within an idea, within an idea...






Logically true or false, and why?

Here is the thing, the reality is that the supernatural DOES NOT exist. You actually know this yourself. Everyone does. We live in a natural world that obeys the laws of nature. For instance, in the Bible is a story of a donkey talking to Balaam while walking down some road. This is the kind of story that Christians believe with no questions asked.

I believe this is a form of conditioning that has been foisted upon the Christian since childhood. It is sad, actually. They can't just let it go. They need an intervention. I read the story of elephants who were held by chains when they were young. As they got older, the chains were replaced by rope, but the elephants (who could have easily broken away from the rope) still remain tied and do not try to escape.

The same thing happens to those in cults. Many times, these people need intervention to break away from their brainwashing. So it is not your fault that you cling so desperately to myths and fantasies. These stories make you feel good. They give you a purpose. Atheists have broken those ropes, so to speak. That is all there really is to say. All the things you believe in that have a supernatural, invisible, or imaginary origin are not real. They are part of your imagination and you need them.

The children of Gaia (Sophia) are evolving through the astral into the mental realms and then beyond. Trouble is they are beset with predators along the way.........................and need a path to follow because most have not the slightest chance to make it on their own............................that is what (real)Christianity specifically is!


To focus ones mind and whole being on a faith is a powerful antisceptic against the predators - the fact that it is not very rational or logical adds to it's efficacy.

As soon as you say "the supernatural doesn't exist", you're telling me that your 50-100 thermometer is measuring all possible temperatures. It is illogical and unscientific. So when you say a donkey can't be made by God to speak, you're saying no temperature can ever go above 100 because your thermometer doesn't allow it, and everyone knows no temperature can ever go higher. See the problem?

I believe that this denial of the supernatural is a defense mechanism of some kind, a wishing away of forces and realities that frighten people. And yes, that's sad; they just can't bear to look up because they're afraid of what they might see.

But calling me brainwashed? Maybe it's you...

they've already invested too much in the idea. to destroy the idea would literally destroy their mind. its like an inoperable brain tumor man

I agree. If tomorrow "science" discovered that evo is bunk and there really is a Designer, they'd go barking mad.

God is real but xianity is off the mark

Look, it is completely against logic, reason, common sense and even intelligence to believe that a donkey talked to some man, using human language because "God did it." It is rather unbelievable, actually, to someone who hasn't been programmed and brainwashed, like me.

I want you to be honest here. If there was a story about a bright pink monkey that had white glossy wings that spoke to some biblical prophet and told him that he would be a instrument of the Lord, YOU WOULD BELIEVE IT. The fact is, there is NO story in the Bible, no matter how bizarre, that you would not believe. There is no story in the Koran that a person of the Islam faith would not believe. You are bowing down to a book. Books like these belong on a shelf in a library under the title, "Fiction."

Show me one example of something supernatural happening in the world today that could not be explained by science. Tell me why prayer is completely ineffective. You know this world does not operate the way you want it to. There is no magic, no fairies, no elves, no gods, no demons, etc.

There is a good rule to follow. If it can be proven, you should believe it. If it can't be proven, you should suspend your belief in it. There is no reason to believe in anything without some sort of proof, scientific or otherwise. We all need to grow up sometime.

It can be described in many ways.

Sunday School = child abuse. There's a reason the bible says "suffer little children to come unto me." The sentence isn't finished though. It should read" "Suffer little children to come unto me so that I can brainwash him/her." A child is incapable of rationalizing until around the age of 15 or so. That's why children believe in the Tooth Fairy, Santa Clause, Easter Bunny and so on. The same thing happens when they're taught about this jesus character. The only difference is, the parents neglect to tell their children that jesus is make believe just like the tooth fairy and therefore, the child keeps on believing the jesus fairy tale. Religion is one of the most popular tools used by TPTB for mind control.

Mind Control Methods:

1 – Thought control – by implementing ideas, beliefs, thoughts and emotions.

2 – Spiritual Experiences – from meeting “angels”, “demons”, “guides” to “masters” and “advanced beings.”

3 – Religion – One of their most popular methods.

4 – Technology – Mostly based on “wavelength” technology – Vibrations. Sound and Radio waves are most common – too high or too low to be heard but still very effective for mind control. Light, sound, frequencies, vibrations are all very powerful tools to be used and abused to manipulate the mind.

This post is BS... How's that for obtuse?



And one star to boot!

Last Edited by S.O.S. on 02/08/2013 10:43 PM

Science has already proven evolution. That is why it is a difficult course taught in college. Some invisible man in the sky did not create man out of dirt and then make a woman from the man's rib. It just doesn't work that way. There was no man who created a big boat and then swam to that segregated land mass of Australia and picked up a couple of kangaroos, put them on his back, and swam back across the ocean so they could ride in his big boat that survived the big flood. Isn't it more LOGICAL that the animals in Australia evolved differently? Look, you will never be able to prove the Bible or God by using logic, reason, common sense or any type of intelligence. You will lose.

Didn't you see what I said about the thermometer? You keep insisting that the supernatural is impossible just because you demand that we all use your naturalist "thermometer". It's a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts; you'll only find what you rig the game to allow. You want me to prove that there are temperatures higher than 100 but demand I use your 100-max thermometer to do it!

It is you who are brainwashed, IMHO, and you who need to be deprogrammed. It is you who needs to be honest and admit that you have no objective, logical, or scientific reason to restrict all reality to that which is physical and observable. And if you were really honest, you'd admit that hypothetical entities such as dark matter are non-physical and unobservable, as even atheists who have accepted the plasma cosmology theory have stated.

Proof is as subjective and constrained as people make it, and none is more constrained than naturalism.

You sound well versed in the techniques!

Surely one who has this much knowledge on the subject

has simply PULLED IT FROM HIS OWN ASS!

Evolution is a philosophical interpretive framework that is unfalsifiable and not to be equated with science. So it has proved nothing but that circular reasoning is still a logical fallacy. Logic is your biggest enemy.

New age know-it-all zombies v/s christian know-it-all zombies! Thunder dome!



This should get interesting.

Can anyone explain why the anti-religious are so obtuse that they must continue to ask questions such as this ad nauseam?

This goes on in a thousand forums every day. I have tried over the years to at least get them to question their own beliefs and submit to their own standards of relentless interrogation, but they seem hopelessly obsessed with that which they don't believe. I think it's time to just let them be and stop playing this silly game of using their 50-100 calibrated thermometers to "prove" that temperatures cannot exist outside of that range. I've run out of ways to say it.