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SHIT JUST GOT REAL!!!!!

 
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Ok, forgive my stupidity, but can someone explain to me why it's a bad thing that the government says we can kill traitors?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24652273


first of all this is supposed to be a free country but how the govt defines a "traitor" has expanded a great deal. check up on that... for ex you can be considered a traitor for protesting something you are against. 2nd- what has happened to innocent until proven guilty? They are saying they can just suspect someone of being a traitor. JUST SUSPECT! thats not right. 3rd- this is just the start of something bad on the horizon. If the govt can kill its own people for something they only suspect them of doing, leadership becomes dictatorship.
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form of mind control.

"YOU WILL OBEY ALL US 5000 PEDOPHILES, MARXISTS, KLEPTOMANIACS, AND HEROINE ADDICTS!! YOU WILL OBEEEEEY"!!!!!

Get a grip. After the first two or three drones were launched a coup would start in DC. Then the military would turn around and go scumbag hunting in UK. GRIP

run along
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1070863


What must also be considered is that one of the greater heralded marks denoting the "beauty" of drones is that their use removes personnel from the actual point of conflict.

There are rooms just outside of Las Vegas staffed with personnel operating drones on the opposite side of the globe (open source info). The converse also applies - it wouldn't be difficult to establish operational control in other locations - even outside the Continental US - that would allow "others" the opportunity to pilot UAVs in the furtherance of managing, surveilling, controlling, and even firing upon the US citizenry as directed.

This is the greatest threat posed - never before has there existed such opportunity of such ease to utilize personnel from other portions of the globe against the population of a country.

Think about this for a while. Now think about the ramifications, and how easy it would be to put into place in rather short order.
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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So - who (or whom) is the one who decides if someone in America is a part of the Al-Qaeda that they can "target" with these "drones?" FBI? CIA? The President?

Yikes - I do not see this going anywhere but downhill!
Don't get mad - Get a Pepsi!
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So - who (or whom) is the one who decides if someone in America is a part of the Al-Qaeda that they can "target" with these "drones?" FBI? CIA? The President?

Yikes - I do not see this going anywhere but downhill!
 Quoting: *HAARP Lady*


See NDAA for further questions.

It answered mine.

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Éireann
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I wonder if the people who laughed at me when I pointed out how the english language is being redefined, are laughing at me now?

INGSOC, anyone?

*adds 'imminent' to the list of redefined words*
 Quoting: Éireann


And for anyone who would like to educate themselves further in the underlying concepts of "governmental structure" laid out in Orwell's book "1984", please read the following which is an analysis of "The Book" written by the opposition to the Party of Oceania:

The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism, by Emmanuel Goldstein, is the fictional book that is a thematic and plot element integral to the dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949), by George Orwell. In the totalitarian society of Oceania, ruled by the seemingly omnipotent, omniscient Party, in its propaganda, Emmanuel Goldstein is the principal enemy of the state — a former member of the Inner Party – continually conspiring against the leadership of Big Brother. Early in the story, the protagonist thinks to himself: "There were . . . whispered stories of a terrible book, a compendium of all the heresies, of which Goldstein was the author and which circulated clandestinely here and there. It was a book without a title. People referred to it, if at all, simply as The Book".

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Militarily, the Party do not fear the external conquest of Oceania — by either Eastasia or Eurasia — because the three super-states are military equals. The Oceanian social-class pyramid is a trinity: the ruling Inner Party — presided by Big Brother, an iconic, demigod leader (possibly fictional) meant to be worshiped and obeyed; the administrative Outer Party, who execute the rule of Oceania; and the Proles, who do the work. The mass of the populace will not revolt against the Party’s rule, because the Minitrue’s propaganda denies them the facts that would allow them to compare countries and political systems – and so discover their enslavement. Therefore, the only possible, internal enemies would be "the splitting-off of a new group of able, under-employed, power-hungry people, and the growth of liberalism and scepticism in their own ranks".

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Oh how the today of yesterday is now the today of tomorrow...

"It happened while they were sleeping..."

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So - who (or whom) is the one who decides if someone in America is a part of the Al-Qaeda that they can "target" with these "drones?" FBI? CIA? The President?

Yikes - I do not see this going anywhere but downhill!
 Quoting: *HAARP Lady*


More specifically,

I believe Obama will give the official order to the military.
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Senators threaten 'confrontation' with Obama nominees over drone concerns


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In their letter Monday, the senators said they believe there are "circumstances" where a U.S. president can use "lethal force" against Americans who "choose to take up arms" against their country, "just as President Lincoln had the authority to direct Union troops to fire upon Confederate forces during the Civil War."

But they said "it is vitally important" for Congress and the public to understand how the administration interprets the limits on that power. They complained that the administration has ignored prior requests for legal opinions from the Justice Department.

[link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: Earth Cries


ok...Just to clarify, Mr. President, you have the authority to wage drone warfare against American citizens on US soil. We just wanted to clear that up!

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Senators threaten 'confrontation' with Obama nominees over drone concerns


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In their letter Monday, the senators said they believe there are "circumstances" where a U.S. president can use "lethal force" against Americans who "choose to take up arms" against their country, "just as President Lincoln had the authority to direct Union troops to fire upon Confederate forces during the Civil War."

But they said "it is vitally important" for Congress and the public to understand how the administration interprets the limits on that power. They complained that the administration has ignored prior requests for legal opinions from the Justice Department.

[link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: Earth Cries


ok...Just to clarify, Mr. President, you have the authority to wage drone warfare against American citizens on US soil. We just wanted to clear that up!


obamadevil
 Quoting: Requiemdream (Ghost)


freakout
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I wonder if the people who laughed at me when I pointed out how the english language is being redefined, are laughing at me now?

INGSOC, anyone?

*adds 'imminent' to the list of redefined words*
 Quoting: Éireann


And for anyone who would like to educate themselves further in the underlying concepts of "governmental structure" laid out in Orwell's book "1984", please read the following which is an analysis of "The Book" written by the opposition to the Party of Oceania:

The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism, by Emmanuel Goldstein, is the fictional book that is a thematic and plot element integral to the dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949), by George Orwell. In the totalitarian society of Oceania, ruled by the seemingly omnipotent, omniscient Party, in its propaganda, Emmanuel Goldstein is the principal enemy of the state — a former member of the Inner Party – continually conspiring against the leadership of Big Brother. Early in the story, the protagonist thinks to himself: "There were . . . whispered stories of a terrible book, a compendium of all the heresies, of which Goldstein was the author and which circulated clandestinely here and there. It was a book without a title. People referred to it, if at all, simply as The Book".

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Militarily, the Party do not fear the external conquest of Oceania — by either Eastasia or Eurasia — because the three super-states are military equals. The Oceanian social-class pyramid is a trinity: the ruling Inner Party — presided by Big Brother, an iconic, demigod leader (possibly fictional) meant to be worshiped and obeyed; the administrative Outer Party, who execute the rule of Oceania; and the Proles, who do the work. The mass of the populace will not revolt against the Party’s rule, because the Minitrue’s propaganda denies them the facts that would allow them to compare countries and political systems – and so discover their enslavement. Therefore, the only possible, internal enemies would be "the splitting-off of a new group of able, under-employed, power-hungry people, and the growth of liberalism and scepticism in their own ranks".

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Oh how the today of yesterday is now the today of tomorrow...

"It happened while they were sleeping..."
 Quoting: Éireann


I agree.

But I also think Huxley's Brave New World is a great example of the current American paradox: slavery is freedom. Many are blissfully unaware of their chains...or even WANT them.

Sad. Sad.
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form of mind control.

"YOU WILL OBEY ALL US 5000 PEDOPHILES, MARXISTS, KLEPTOMANIACS, AND HEROINE ADDICTS!! YOU WILL OBEEEEEY"!!!!!

Get a grip. After the first two or three drones were launched a coup would start in DC. Then the military would turn around and go scumbag hunting in UK. GRIP

run along
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1070863


What must also be considered is that one of the greater heralded marks denoting the "beauty" of drones is that their use removes personnel from the actual point of conflict.

There are rooms just outside of Las Vegas staffed with personnel operating drones on the opposite side of the globe (open source info). The converse also applies - it wouldn't be difficult to establish operational control in other locations - even outside the Continental US - that would allow "others" the opportunity to pilot UAVs in the furtherance of managing, surveilling, controlling, and even firing upon the US citizenry as directed.

This is the greatest threat posed - never before has there existed such opportunity of such ease to utilize personnel from other portions of the globe against the population of a country.

Think about this for a while. Now think about the ramifications, and how easy it would be to put into place in rather short order.
 Quoting: ClydeX

Ha! And Ender's Game will be coming out this year in movie form.

[link to www.imdb.com]

Touché , PTB!
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My oh my. I believe this is what Anonymous released to it's chosen news source. Check this out! [link to openchannel.nbcnews.com]
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pretty leery of anonymous's reactionary shit - obama has command authority of the drones? really? an actor and huckster with ceremonial power at best? wrong again, a
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or youŕe a terrorist
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Ok, forgive my stupidity, but can someone explain to me why it's a bad thing that the government says we can kill traitors?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24652273


due process baby, tyrannical gov't killing freedom fighters etc etc etc
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02/05/2013 12:11 PM
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That's it??.. that is al?..

First ALL of us have known this shit for some time.

NDAA anyone?. The sheeple will glooss over this like it does not exist.. becuase like they are keeping us safe from the terrorists and stuff..like.. ya know man.

I hate this kenyan cocksucker and his entire goon squad, but anon better have some better shit than this if they think they are going to get the people worked up. especially enough to shut the motherfuckers down.

Stuff like this means nothing to the majority of dumbed down douchebags in this country.. they don't see a problem.
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I wonder if the people who laughed at me when I pointed out how the english language is being redefined, are laughing at me now?

INGSOC, anyone?

*adds 'imminent' to the list of redefined words*
 Quoting: Éireann


And for anyone who would like to educate themselves further in the underlying concepts of "governmental structure" laid out in Orwell's book "1984", please read the following which is an analysis of "The Book" written by the opposition to the Party of Oceania:

The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism, by Emmanuel Goldstein, is the fictional book that is a thematic and plot element integral to the dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949), by George Orwell. In the totalitarian society of Oceania, ruled by the seemingly omnipotent, omniscient Party, in its propaganda, Emmanuel Goldstein is the principal enemy of the state — a former member of the Inner Party – continually conspiring against the leadership of Big Brother. Early in the story, the protagonist thinks to himself: "There were . . . whispered stories of a terrible book, a compendium of all the heresies, of which Goldstein was the author and which circulated clandestinely here and there. It was a book without a title. People referred to it, if at all, simply as The Book".

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Militarily, the Party do not fear the external conquest of Oceania — by either Eastasia or Eurasia — because the three super-states are military equals. The Oceanian social-class pyramid is a trinity: the ruling Inner Party — presided by Big Brother, an iconic, demigod leader (possibly fictional) meant to be worshiped and obeyed; the administrative Outer Party, who execute the rule of Oceania; and the Proles, who do the work. The mass of the populace will not revolt against the Party’s rule, because the Minitrue’s propaganda denies them the facts that would allow them to compare countries and political systems – and so discover their enslavement. Therefore, the only possible, internal enemies would be "the splitting-off of a new group of able, under-employed, power-hungry people, and the growth of liberalism and scepticism in their own ranks".

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Oh how the today of yesterday is now the today of tomorrow...

"It happened while they were sleeping..."
 Quoting: Éireann


I agree.

But I also think Huxley's Brave New World is a great example of the current American paradox: slavery is freedom. Many are blissfully unaware of their chains...or even WANT them.

Sad. Sad.
 Quoting: CreationPoetique


Also illustrated in 'prison culture'.
Many, I'd almost say most.. people are only comfortable in the 'hive'.
The protruding nail gets hammered...

hammer
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see what I mean??.. look above my last post.. a douchebag who sees no issues.

we have a country full of dumb motherfuckers right now.
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Wired Magazine is all over his shit!

How Obama Transformed an Old Military Concept So He Can Drone Americans

[link to www.wired.com]

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Perpetually dumbfounded.

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no wonder Obama asked his troops if they were willing to shoot American citizens


something big is going to happen in the US and its not good.

glad i am thousands of miles clear lolsign
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Wired Magazine is all over his shit!

How Obama Transformed an Old Military Concept So He Can Drone Americans

[link to www.wired.com]
 Quoting: Requiemdream (Ghost)


[snip]


Under the Obama administration, the decision to target members of al-Qaida abroad, both foreign citizens and Americans, is made under a regularized institutional process known by the shorthand of the “disposition matrix.” One of its architects, White House counterterrorism chief, John Brennan, will testify on Thursday ahead of a Senate vote to confirm him as CIA director. Eleven senators, Democrat and Republican, wrote to the White House on Monday requesting the full secret memos — plural — explaining the administration’s arguments for targeting Americans in drone strikes and commando raids.

Whether or not they receive the memos, the white paper asserts an understanding of battlefield imminence that means little more than the mere existence of al-Qaida, and unconstrained by protections for U.S. citizens that the Constitution traditionally grants. Once the U.S. makes that claim, so can others, creating pretext for further acts of war.

“The Justice Department’s legal arguments purportedly defending targeted killing fundamentally misconceive the nature of self-defense,” University of Notre Dame professor Mary Ellen O’Connell said in a prepared statement. “It is a right to use military force against a state that has or is about to launched a major military attack on the United States. The 9/11 attacks led to a war of self-defense in Afghanistan. That had all the hallmarks of legality. Contrast that use of force with the CIA firing of missiles from drones at a single individual and innocent bystanders in Yemen. You do not need to be an expert in international law to understand the enormous violation of law involved and the egregious conduct involved in attempting to exploit lack of knowledge of the law to achieve political cover for targeted killing.”
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no wonder Obama asked his troops if they were willing to shoot American citizens


something big is going to happen in the US and its not good.

glad i am thousands of miles clear lolsign
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Your turn is coming. Be patient.
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no wonder Obama asked his troops if they were willing to shoot American citizens


something big is going to happen in the US and its not good.

glad i am thousands of miles clear lolsign
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Your turn is coming. Be patient.
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cruise

No one can escape technology.

internet
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if this is what anons released... kind of a dud.

people are actually surprised that the US will kill known senior-level terrorists? who cares how they do it? suffocate them with microwaveable dildos for all i care... ya know?
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This is why they want those evil assault rifles banned. They can be used to shoot down the American killing drones.
 Quoting: samanthasunflower


you do realize drones fly thousands of feet over ur head right?
 Quoting: mrmuffins69


Bullshit. I saw one two days ago in nor Cal...not more than 500 ft overhead
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door
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why are so many people surprised.. didn't NDAA 2012 make it clear they can wack who ever they want? now they're just laying the 'legal' framework for what they already have the 'right' to do..
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gee i don't know, maybe people hadn't heard of that. if everyone doesn't know the exact info you know, then they're idiots huh? gtfo
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he never said idiots, idiot. gtfo
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no, that's what he's implying, idiot. are you really that slow?
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