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BREAKING: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americans!

 
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BREAKING: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americans!
"A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S."


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This pisses me off.

These people are clear enemies of the republic and the U.S. Constitution.
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Brennan was the first administration official to publicly acknowledge drone strikes in a speech last year, calling them “consistent with the inherent right of self-defense.”

So, they can use the drones to take out Americans who they feel pose a threat. No indictment or charges needed. Looks like they have their bases covered. Go to camp (NDAA) or get droned out.

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Re: BREAKING: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americans!
Like I posted in the other thread with the same title

Drones are safer for the public than police helicopters...and environmentally much more friendly. Seriously, get a grip.

You guys have no problems with police helicopters, why would drones be a problem?? to me they seem like a natural evolution and the police departments would save money for the tax payer as drones are cheap to run.
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Police helicopters have been part of our world for decades, what makes you think that drones are not the best replacement?

A drone is CHEAP and does not pollute the environment like conventional helicopters do.
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Good article considering the source.
Here's a little more. Apparently it's not assassination, it's self defense...

“A lawful killing in self-defense is not an assassination,” the white paper reads. “In the Department’s view, a lethal operation conducted against a U.S. citizen whose conduct poses an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States would be a legitimate act of national self-defense that would not violate the assassination ban. Similarly, the use of lethal force, consistent with the laws of war, against an individual who is a legitimate military target would be lawful and would not violate the assassination ban.”
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I heard the command center for these drone strikes will be in Israel. LOL!

Too late for the American Sheeple to take their government back. You were distracted with porn and football and now the Zionists own you!

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The crazy thing is that somehow a memo can even legalize and justify assassination, er, targeted killings , of American citizens and everyone else buys it. That you could even propose this and have it taken seriously is the scariest part, IMHO.

Since when does writing shit on paper make it ok? Why does it hold any weight at all?
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The crazy thing is that somehow a memo can even legalize and justify assassination, er, targeted killings , of American citizens and everyone else buys it. That you could even propose this and have it taken seriously is the scariest part, IMHO.

Since when does writing shit on paper make it ok? Why does it hold any weight at all?
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called a social contract, you sign it when you are born.
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Powerful people writing shit on paper is all that statues(laws) have ever been.
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First to go-everyone who does not pay their $50 an ounce marijuana tax.

Then the tobacco smokers. Those will be easy, they cluster outside during breaks.

They can figure out some way to sense alcohol from the air, and take a drunk drivers. Or drivers who use way too much Axe.

The possibilities are endless!
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Like I posted in the other thread with the same title

Drones are safer for the public than police helicopters...and environmentally much more friendly. Seriously, get a grip.

You guys have no problems with police helicopters, why would drones be a problem?? to me they seem like a natural evolution and the police departments would save money for the tax payer as drones are cheap to run.
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Police helicopters have been part of our world for decades, what makes you think that drones are not the best replacement?

A drone is CHEAP and does not pollute the environment like conventional helicopters do.
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nice try shill boy.....
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Thread: They are GPS'ing your front door, what's next ........
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Like I posted in the other thread with the same title

Drones are safer for the public than police helicopters...and environmentally much more friendly. Seriously, get a grip.

You guys have no problems with police helicopters, why would drones be a problem?? to me they seem like a natural evolution and the police departments would save money for the tax payer as drones are cheap to run.
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Police helicopters have been part of our world for decades, what makes you think that drones are not the best replacement?

A drone is CHEAP and does not pollute the environment like conventional helicopters do.
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shills
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"A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S."


[link to openchannel.nbcnews.com]
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Well if it is designed to get shitbags like al-Awlaki, who really gives a shit?? Anybody that is engaged in destroying or harming the American people and their country is now fair game. Fuck having to prove you are al-Qaeda. If your name is Mohamed this or Ahmed that, and you are plotting to hurt Americans, then fuck, you're fair game.
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"A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S."


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 Quoting: XMFan


Well if it is designed to get shitbags like al-Awlaki, who really gives a shit?? Anybody that is engaged in destroying or harming the American people and their country is now fair game. Fuck having to prove you are al-Qaeda. If your name is Mohamed this or Ahmed that, and you are plotting to hurt Americans, then fuck, you're fair game.
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my god doctor, these test results are shocking, this guy is in fact, a shill
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This pisses me off.

These people are clear enemies of the republic and the U.S. Constitution.
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not only are they clear and present danger, but now openly declaring war upon the american people. what is more disgusting, is that "now", they are building legal framework in support of it.

traitors!
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The crazy thing is that somehow a memo can even legalize and justify assassination, er, targeted killings , of American citizens and everyone else buys it. That you could even propose this and have it taken seriously is the scariest part, IMHO.

Since when does writing shit on paper make it ok? Why does it hold any weight at all?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21427624


called a social contract, you sign it when you are born.
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stipulations for contract law include, full disclosure of all stipulations and clauses, there has to be a mark of consent as in a signature, and at any time the terms of the contract can be modified, by either party of the contract, at any time during the contract, and the contract is only still binding by mutual consent by both parties after such modifications.

if any contract does not meet those requirements, then it is null and void. this includes any communist superimpositions via color of commercial law.

these maxims are well established, in, and with reason and logic, as history attests to, via documents like the magna carta.
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The crazy thing is that somehow a memo can even legalize and justify assassination, er, targeted killings , of American citizens and everyone else buys it. That you could even propose this and have it taken seriously is the scariest part, IMHO.

Since when does writing shit on paper make it ok? Why does it hold any weight at all?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21427624


called a social contract, you sign it when you are born.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1302314


stipulations for contract law include, full disclosure of all stipulations and clauses, there has to be a mark of consent as in a signature, and at any time the terms of the contract can be modified, by either party of the contract, at any time during the contract, and the contract is only still binding by mutual consent by both parties after such modifications.

if any contract does not meet those requirements, then it is null and void. this includes any communist superimpositions via color of commercial law.

these maxims are well established, in, and with reason and logic, as history attests to, via documents like the magna carta.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19004483


at birth, there is no way for any of the requirements for contract law to be met, as is self evident by the fact that you are a child, and have no understanding of what the hell is going on, much less legal trickery and framework.

there is no such thing as a social contract entered into at birth. it is even more fictitious than GOV CORP. and even if there was, according to contract law itself, you have the right to modify the contract, even null and void it.

more imaginations of men, that have been veiled upon humanity for profits and gain.
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even if they did it no1 would raise one finger to bring down a drone
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even if they did it no1 would raise one finger to bring down a drone
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drones operate at an altitude so high, no one will even know they are there.
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Real news like this has to be green pinned and some rambling nutcase nebulous "call to action" gets orange pinned.

I don't get it.

Anyway, 5 stars OP.
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"A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S."


[link to openchannel.nbcnews.com]
 Quoting: XMFan


Well if it is designed to get shitbags like al-Awlaki, who really gives a shit?? Anybody that is engaged in destroying or harming the American people and their country is now fair game. Fuck having to prove you are al-Qaeda. If your name is Mohamed this or Ahmed that, and you are plotting to hurt Americans, then fuck, you're fair game.
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get a clue please ... "associated forces" are the operative words here ... we aren't concerned with ahmad and muhammad ... this is the next step in using drones here in america against anyone named tom, john, or nancy
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So what is the situation between Anonymous and the Justice Dept. now?
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Does the US Constitution extend to those outside of the US? And if a US citizen is found to be committing acts of war against the US, surely none can argue they have any protection under it?

However.. if they had protection in the first place, how can they be deemed not to after the fact without due process?

*shrugs*
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"A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S."


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 Quoting: XMFan


Well if it is designed to get shitbags like al-Awlaki, who really gives a shit?? Anybody that is engaged in destroying or harming the American people and their country is now fair game. Fuck having to prove you are al-Qaeda. If your name is Mohamed this or Ahmed that, and you are plotting to hurt Americans, then fuck, you're fair game.
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how about if your name is Barack and you are actively engaged in destroying the nation with a group of your cronies? is their one for that?
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“A lawful killing in self-defense is not an assassination,”

That sure cover's a lot of ground,so basically the government can put out the kill order on anyone seen as a 'threat'.

So it begins...uhoh
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Sorry to burst your bubble folks - but ALL governments absolutely need to be able to kill anyone they deem is sufficiently dangerous to the national interests.

It is only within the artificial bubble of civil society that the legal system operates - same situation as 'international law' really.

Your only safeguard as citizens is to make sure you elect decent honorable moral people - which you have failed to do.........................so basically you are fucked.


Alll the misdirection and hoopla over the yrs about the nast old CIA running amock with death squads was put up by the Marxists and Commies because they hadn't taken over the system yet - now they have - all the lefty idiots are going to be all for, bumping off terrorist and dangerous subversives - (so long as they are the Christian Patriot variety)
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Like I posted in the other thread with the same title

Drones are safer for the public than police helicopters...and environmentally much more friendly. Seriously, get a grip.

You guys have no problems with police helicopters, why would drones be a problem?? to me they seem like a natural evolution and the police departments would save money for the tax payer as drones are cheap to run.
-------------------------------------------------------------​

Police helicopters have been part of our world for decades, what makes you think that drones are not the best replacement?

A drone is CHEAP and does not pollute the environment like conventional helicopters do.
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Just let them try drone strikes on Americans in this country..then you will have millions rushing the White House and dragging those asshats out of there and tar and feather them..that is before they are thrown in prison forever or executed.
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