Desperately in need of Justice !! A young mother's unhappy story.... | |
| Yes I Did !!!! (OP) User ID: 33552634 02/04/2013 11:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just to show you how serious the crime of Parental Abduction is - here's the definition from a Government Study: Definition of Parental Abduction Parental abduction is defined as "the taking, retention, or concealment of a child or children by a parent, other family member, or their agent, in derogation of the custody rights, including visitation rights, of another parent or family member" (Girdner, 1994b, p. 1–11). Abductors may be other family members or their agents (e.g., girlfriend, boyfriend, grandparent, or even a private investigator), although in most cases the abductor is a child’s parent (Girdner, 1994c). Some State criminal statutes use the term "custodial interference"—rather than parental abduction, family abduction, or kidnapping—when referring to this crime and may include incidents in which children are detained or enticed away from the custodial parent. Custodial interference can also be defined to include interference with a court order of visitation or access. Parental abduction is a crime in all 50 States and the District of Columbia. ![]() "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." ~ Albert Einstein |
| Yes I Did !!!! (OP) User ID: 33552634 02/05/2013 12:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was sooooo hoping that someone would tell me what might happen to me if I post this letter with the real names in it, on my blog or publish it in a newspaper. I just want some help for my daughter. I'm so worried about her. I don't know how she's managed to handle this for so long - she's sure made out of stronger stuff than I am. But I think she's hit her limit. PLEASE.... any advice or suggestions that might help her ? ![]() Last Edited by Yes I Did !!!! on 02/05/2013 12:09 AM "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." ~ Albert Einstein |
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| Behcetssucks User ID: 22618040 02/05/2013 12:13 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am so sorry. That is truly heartbreaking. My brother went through severe custody issues in Portsmouth as well. It is all about who you know or who you can pay off. It will never be fair or make sense in Scioto county. Nothing he did ever worked. He finally got his kids back after the ex got tired of raising them. I wish I could tell you something more encouraging, but I do hope it works itself out soon. |
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| Behcetssucks User ID: 22618040 02/05/2013 12:23 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know, maybe you could call the school board and tell them they have employees that have kidnapped your grandchild. Call WSAZ, they would probably do a story. Call their church, put signs around town. Shame them. Wait till they cross into KY with the child, then call theFBI and report an interstate kidnapping. Call CPS and claim emotional abuse for witholding a child from its mother. |
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| Yes I Did !!!! (OP) User ID: 33552634 02/05/2013 12:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am so sorry. That is truly heartbreaking. My brother went through severe custody issues in Portsmouth as well. It is all about who you know or who you can pay off. It will never be fair or make sense in Scioto county. Nothing he did ever worked. He finally got his kids back after the ex got tired of raising them. I wish I could tell you something more encouraging, but I do hope it works itself out soon. Quoting: Behcetssucks It certainly seems like someone is getting "paid off" !! The father-in-law is a superintendant at one of the school districts. I don't know WHY they want to destroy my daughter after she was so supportive of that family. I think the mother was jealous and wanted her son back? Who knows ????? I've read so many articles about the corruption in the judicial system in Scioto County. "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." ~ Albert Einstein |
| Texan Buckeye User ID: 1533753 02/05/2013 12:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pinned it for you, OP. It could have been me, years back. My ex threatened to do the same thing. I hope it works out well for you. My experience with Ottawa Co. in Ohio wasn't much better, 30 years ago. They also serve who stand and wait. John Milton |
| Yes I Did !!!! (OP) User ID: 33552634 02/05/2013 12:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | tell your daughter to send her son certified letters and cards on a regular basis so the courts see that she never stopped attempting to make contact. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33372311 She got her son back in November, after six months of awful, awful worry and tears. She is afraid that the father is actually going to get full custody instead of shared parenting.... and he's the one who has MULTIPLE contempt charges filed against him for breaking the terms of the Parenting Agreement and Parental Abduction - but the courts aren't doing a thing about that !! She gets her son for 3-4 days a week, but he'll start school this coming fall, and the court will have to make one parent or the other the "residential parent" or else award sole custody - how can they give sole custody to a CRIMINAL ????? "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." ~ Albert Einstein |
| ladulce User ID: 30056751 02/05/2013 12:33 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look and see if you can find a family resource center in your area. These should be free and should have a 'parent advocate'. Also, your local YWCA should have a domestic violence advocate that could help. Unfortunately, in the court, it is often who you know. HAving these advocates in the courtroom with your daughter lend her credibility- that she is trying to heal and improve parenting skills,etc. As far as posting the letter with real names, I would advise against posting the names of the other family. They could sue for defamation, but, would have to prove it. The stress of another lawsuit should be a huge deterrent. Also, on a personal note- I would suggest making the letter far shorter and sticking to facts. You are emotionally involved and that is evident, but, facts are what ultimately matter in these cases. For example, how many days the child was without contact with his mother and the fact that it was in direct violation of an existing court order is far more important than the birth of the other 2 babies (which have nothing to do with case) Best wishes. I am in Wisconsin. If I was in your state, I would offer to help. LEt me know if you need additional basic info. |
| ladulce User ID: 30056751 02/05/2013 12:35 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | tell your daughter to send her son certified letters and cards on a regular basis so the courts see that she never stopped attempting to make contact. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33372311 Exactly. great point. She should be documenting EVERY attempted contact- who, what time, what was said, etc. These records can be very important in proving her dedication to being a mom. |
| Yes I Did !!!! (OP) User ID: 33552634 02/05/2013 12:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pinned it for you, OP. It could have been me, years back. My ex threatened to do the same thing. I hope it works out well for you. My experience with Ottawa Co. in Ohio wasn't much better, 30 years ago. Quoting: Texan Buckeye Thank you so much !! I'm thinking that I'll make flyers, set up a bank account and call it "xxx Defense Fund" and try to get the news stations in the area to cover the story. I don't know.... she lost the only good attorney she had, after firing 2. Now she can't afford to pay another one. If I can get a campaign going... maybe we could get one of the BEST ???? After all.... Clinton took donations for HIS defense fund. LOL "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." ~ Albert Einstein |
| Behcetssucks User ID: 22618040 02/05/2013 12:36 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am so sorry. That is truly heartbreaking. My brother went through severe custody issues in Portsmouth as well. It is all about who you know or who you can pay off. It will never be fair or make sense in Scioto county. Nothing he did ever worked. He finally got his kids back after the ex got tired of raising them. I wish I could tell you something more encouraging, but I do hope it works itself out soon. Quoting: Behcetssucks It certainly seems like someone is getting "paid off" !! The father-in-law is a superintendant at one of the school districts. I don't know WHY they want to destroy my daughter after she was so supportive of that family. I think the mother was jealous and wanted her son back? Who knows ????? I've read so many articles about the corruption in the judicial system in Scioto County. WHo knows why people do evil things. Any grandmother that would deny a child access to their child must have a dark evil heart. I've seen it so many times it sickens me. My prayers are with you, your daughter, and the poor child. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33372311 02/05/2013 12:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems that what you are really dealing with is corruption. You would have to be extremely rich to win at that. I went through something similar. The only thing that worked was prayer. Believe it or not, I got hired at a job where the owner was close friends with the head of Family Court. God can do things that no amount of money can. Your daughter should also seek professional support/counseling. It will help her keep her present family intact. There are even some who also work with the courts. do some research, there are still ethical people out there but do your homework |
| Texan Buckeye User ID: 1533753 02/05/2013 12:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pinned it for you, OP. It could have been me, years back. My ex threatened to do the same thing. I hope it works out well for you. My experience with Ottawa Co. in Ohio wasn't much better, 30 years ago. Quoting: Texan Buckeye Thank you so much !! I'm thinking that I'll make flyers, set up a bank account and call it "xxx Defense Fund" and try to get the news stations in the area to cover the story. I don't know.... she lost the only good attorney she had, after firing 2. Now she can't afford to pay another one. If I can get a campaign going... maybe we could get one of the BEST ???? After all.... Clinton took donations for HIS defense fund. LOL Yvw. I wish I could do more than just pin it for you. Hopefully, more will see this with solid advice for you. They also serve who stand and wait. John Milton |
| Yes I Did !!!! (OP) User ID: 33552634 02/05/2013 12:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look and see if you can find a family resource center in your area. These should be free and should have a 'parent advocate'. Also, your local YWCA should have a domestic violence advocate that could help. Quoting: ladulce Unfortunately, in the court, it is often who you know. HAving these advocates in the courtroom with your daughter lend her credibility- that she is trying to heal and improve parenting skills,etc. As far as posting the letter with real names, I would advise against posting the names of the other family. They could sue for defamation, but, would have to prove it. The stress of another lawsuit should be a huge deterrent. Also, on a personal note- I would suggest making the letter far shorter and sticking to facts. You are emotionally involved and that is evident, but, facts are what ultimately matter in these cases. For example, how many days the child was without contact with his mother and the fact that it was in direct violation of an existing court order is far more important than the birth of the other 2 babies (which have nothing to do with case) Best wishes. I am in Wisconsin. If I was in your state, I would offer to help. LEt me know if you need additional basic info. You're absolutely right. I just had to VENT. I feel helpless, and my daughter feels like everything is HOPELESS. I just refuse to let these people get away with this kind of horrible stuff. They're not only hurting my daughter.... they're hurting my grandson !!! You'd think they'd know better !! They're school teachers for God's sake !! It's hard not to let my emotions get in the way... good thing I wasn't in court with my daughter. OMG !!! "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." ~ Albert Einstein |
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| Yes I Did !!!! (OP) User ID: 33552634 02/05/2013 12:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | tell your daughter to send her son certified letters and cards on a regular basis so the courts see that she never stopped attempting to make contact. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33372311 Exactly. great point. She should be documenting EVERY attempted contact- who, what time, what was said, etc. These records can be very important in proving her dedication to being a mom. Yep... she did exactly that, through the whole ordeal of being kept away from her son. "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." ~ Albert Einstein |
| Yes I Did !!!! (OP) User ID: 33552634 02/05/2013 12:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems that what you are really dealing with is corruption. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33372311 You would have to be extremely rich to win at that. I went through something similar. The only thing that worked was prayer. Believe it or not, I got hired at a job where the owner was close friends with the head of Family Court. God can do things that no amount of money can. Your daughter should also seek professional support/counseling. It will help her keep her present family intact. There are even some who also work with the courts. do some research, there are still ethical people out there but do your homework We are praying fools. LOL I'm just afraid that this thing is going to take away her faith. I consider her a "baby Christian". "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." ~ Albert Einstein |
| Yes I Did !!!! (OP) User ID: 33552634 02/05/2013 12:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am so sorry. That is truly heartbreaking. My brother went through severe custody issues in Portsmouth as well. It is all about who you know or who you can pay off. It will never be fair or make sense in Scioto county. Nothing he did ever worked. He finally got his kids back after the ex got tired of raising them. I wish I could tell you something more encouraging, but I do hope it works itself out soon. Quoting: Behcetssucks It certainly seems like someone is getting "paid off" !! The father-in-law is a superintendant at one of the school districts. I don't know WHY they want to destroy my daughter after she was so supportive of that family. I think the mother was jealous and wanted her son back? Who knows ????? I've read so many articles about the corruption in the judicial system in Scioto County. WHo knows why people do evil things. Any grandmother that would deny a child access to their child must have a dark evil heart. I've seen it so many times it sickens me. My prayers are with you, your daughter, and the poor child. You're wonderful and I really appreciate the prayers !! "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." ~ Albert Einstein |
| Yes I Did !!!! (OP) User ID: 33552634 02/05/2013 12:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems that what you are really dealing with is corruption. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33372311 You would have to be extremely rich to win at that. I went through something similar. The only thing that worked was prayer. Believe it or not, I got hired at a job where the owner was close friends with the head of Family Court. God can do things that no amount of money can. Your daughter should also seek professional support/counseling. It will help her keep her present family intact. There are even some who also work with the courts. do some research, there are still ethical people out there but do your homework Absolutely NO doubt in my mind that we are dealing with corruption and "pay-offs". This is just soooooo unfair. "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." ~ Albert Einstein |
| Yes I Did !!!! (OP) User ID: 33552634 02/05/2013 12:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OMG !! Check this out: CORRUPTION IN NORTH CAROLINA COURT IS MINOR COMPARED TO CORRUPTION IN SCIOTO COUNTY OHIO COURTS! [link to dougdeepereturns.blogspot.com] "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." ~ Albert Einstein |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 31907650 02/05/2013 01:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He/she who has the most money in domestic court, wins. That is why the ability to represent yourself is critical, assuming one has the brains to do the forms correctly, speak coherently, etc. Even then, judges hate pro se cases and while he was off base saying he'd hold her in contempt if she didn't get an attorney, bottom-line is if judge hates pro se and she insists on asserting her rights to self-represent, he will simply rule against her in everything. If no money to get a lawyer, I'm sorry to say it's game over. Retard wins. I went through this when I was very young. All on my own, parents halfway across the country with no money to help me. Me, facing my own retard and his family with the money and roots. I could not win, I didn't have the resources to do anything about it. I walked away. There was no other viable option. And I was seriously fucked up for several years before I forgave myself for doing so, with self-destructive behavior and more follies as a result until I pulled it together. Tough road, but inevitable for her. |
| Ralph--a house dog User ID: 25802009 02/05/2013 01:05 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know, maybe you could call the school board and tell them they have employees that have kidnapped your grandchild. Call WSAZ, they would probably do a story. Call their church, put signs around town. Shame them. Wait till they cross into KY with the child, then call theFBI and report an interstate kidnapping. Call CPS and claim emotional abuse for witholding a child from its mother. Quoting: Behcetssucks Consider some of these ideas... "Who decides?" ---Robert A. Heinlein [link to www.westcoasttruth.com] "Do Not Go Gentle into that Good Night.....Rage, rage against the dying of the light" ----Dylan Thomas |
| Yes I Did !!!! (OP) User ID: 33552634 02/05/2013 01:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He/she who has the most money in domestic court, wins. That is why the ability to represent yourself is critical, assuming one has the brains to do the forms correctly, speak coherently, etc. Even then, judges hate pro se cases and while he was off base saying he'd hold her in contempt if she didn't get an attorney, bottom-line is if judge hates pro se and she insists on asserting her rights to self-represent, he will simply rule against her in everything. If no money to get a lawyer, I'm sorry to say it's game over. Retard wins. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31907650 I went through this when I was very young. All on my own, parents halfway across the country with no money to help me. Me, facing my own retard and his family with the money and roots. I could not win, I didn't have the resources to do anything about it. I walked away. There was no other viable option. And I was seriously fucked up for several years before I forgave myself for doing so, with self-destructive behavior and more follies as a result until I pulled it together. Tough road, but inevitable for her. That's what my daughter is saying - that she can't win and she has to just give up for her own preservation and that of her new husband and baby. Her present husband is a jewel, by the way. Even my grandson calls him "Dad" which surprised us all when he just, out of nowhere, started doing that. He calls his biological father "Daddy".. so there's the difference. LOL "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." ~ Albert Einstein |
| cg User ID: 24455934 02/05/2013 01:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | both parties are wrong and because of their own selfish desires. a kid pays the tab. if this is the worst she has been though, she has had a great life. hope things work out for the child, the adults are washed up, both of them. leaving on her part was the first mistake or trying to. life makes perfect sence to those doing what's best for others... |
| Yes I Did !!!! (OP) User ID: 33552634 02/05/2013 01:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know, maybe you could call the school board and tell them they have employees that have kidnapped your grandchild. Call WSAZ, they would probably do a story. Call their church, put signs around town. Shame them. Wait till they cross into KY with the child, then call theFBI and report an interstate kidnapping. Call CPS and claim emotional abuse for witholding a child from its mother. Quoting: Behcetssucks Consider some of these ideas... My grandson is enjoying his normal visitation with his mother and his father at this point. I did write letters during the ordeal, when my son-in-law was hiding my grandson. The letters did nothing, as far as I know ??? What is WSAZ ??? "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." ~ Albert Einstein |
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| Yes I Did !!!! (OP) User ID: 33552634 02/05/2013 01:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | both parties are wrong and because of their own selfish desires. a kid pays the tab. Quoting: cg 24455934 if this is the worst she has been though, she has had a great life. hope things work out for the child, the adults are washed up, both of them. leaving on her part was the first mistake or trying to. life makes perfect sence to those doing what's best for others... My daughter never left her husband... he walked out on HER. The time that he scared her with the butcher knife, she only wanted to come stay with me for a couple of days while he got his shit together.... she was really frightened, but didn't intend to end her marriage. "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." ~ Albert Einstein |