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Yup, truth can be horrid at times.
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You have said nothing that was true, creepo.
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Actually I said a lot of true things, that's why I got attacked. If op is wise, he'll give his cheap gifts to women outside of the workplace, that way he won't create an uncomfortable work environment. Have fun flaming my posts.

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It's so true that nice guys get treated like crap. Too many women say that they are attracted to "confidence". Confidence means in this case means nothing more than a guy who is a self-centered jerk.

The nice guy tries to do something nice, and he is accused of having the same base intentions of the "confident" guy.
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Well this is somewhat true, but not every kind of jerk-like behavior will work. The kind that works is to appear to have potential, or to be intriguing.

The woman generally is totally unable to assess your potential income or power. So how you present it is everything. Normal rules of modesty don't apply here, just that you keep her entertained and interested.

And then things go easy.
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Don't be a "nice guy", okay? Don't be a typical beta male who is running around kissing women's asses. You will NEVER get laid that way.

Treat American women like crap, and you'll get more ass than a toilet seat.

American women are whores, and you don't treat a whore like a lady. Treat her like the whore she is, and THEN she will like you.

Drop the nice guy act, please.
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Wow.

Someone from Cambodia calling another person a whore.

Cambodia = Capital of whores.
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It's so true that nice guys get treated like crap. Too many women say that they are attracted to "confidence". Confidence means in this case means nothing more than a guy who is a self-centered jerk.

The nice guy tries to do something nice, and he is accused of having the same base intentions of the "confident" guy.
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Too be honest, it is w/e makes the Gina tingle,throb and drip. If a camp fire is starting between her legs, then she will respond. It seems like the jerk/self confident type behavior makes that happen.
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This is it. Your friend is that part of her.

As for "man up", the phrase must have been invented by a feminista. It doesn't work.
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Forget her and enjoy yourself some good brew!
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Duh, it's a work environment, OP. Not appropriate.
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This entire post sounds like it comes from someone who sees themselves as "above" others. "Makes them feel like they are on a lesser level"? My suggestion for anyone who thinks this way would be, "Get over yourself, you're not that great."
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


Well in case you hadnt noticed, the playing field is not level.

That's just the way it is.
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Who knew someone would come along in this thread who'd make the woman in the original post look like a saint...

What I've noticed is that most people who seem to think they're on the "upper level"...really aren't. It's all in their imagination.
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


men that get rejected a lot are women haters. Desperate men hit on women in the workplace. Men are dangerous creatures at times, especially the ones that claim to hate women/marriage, yet still want to hit on them and fuck them.

Yup. It was just my imagination...
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Round about logic she's using here to project an image onto men she deems unattractive so she can justify a reason to be
rude and mean to them. They're not generally assholes so she creates a delusional mindset in which all men she deems as low status are rapists and women beaters. Nothing more than a self eentitlement complex to make her feel better.

"Men are dangerous creatures at times, especially the ones that claim to hate women/marriage, yet still want to hit on them and fuck them."

And these are the men who typically get most of the women.
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Huh? I've never met, nor charmed a guy on the internet, I 'm happily married. hf
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Happily married to what? Your cat?
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my husband. we have a dog, actually, he's 2 but stillacts like a puppy.

I don't really like cats much.
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Sorry to be out of line but ... no kids?
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2 children and we are trying for one more, if you must know hf

We also have 2 horses, but they are currently in another state on a farm that uses them for dressage schooling. I hope to get them back next year, after I have the baby (hopefully).
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Duh, it's a work environment, OP. Not appropriate.
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What I 've been saying.... These people must not work at real jobs.
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Well in case you hadnt noticed, the playing field is not level.

That's just the way it is.
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Who knew someone would come along in this thread who'd make the woman in the original post look like a saint...

What I've noticed is that most people who seem to think they're on the "upper level"...really aren't. It's all in their imagination.
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


men that get rejected a lot are women haters. Desperate men hit on women in the workplace. Men are dangerous creatures at times, especially the ones that claim to hate women/marriage, yet still want to hit on them and fuck them.

Yup. It was just my imagination...
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Round about logic she's using here to project an image onto men she deems unattractive so she can justify a reason to be
rude and mean to them. They're not generally assholes so she creates a delusional mindset in which all men she deems as low status are rapists and women beaters. Nothing more than a self eentitlement complex to make her feel better.

"Men are dangerous creatures at times, especially the ones that claim to hate women/marriage, yet still want to hit on them and fuck them."

And these are the men who typically get most of the women.
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Yeah, why does she say "dangerous"? It's what works and it's fair game, if the woman doesn't say she is unavailable.

She appears to hate men using what works. But in the battle of the sexes, both men and women should do what works. It's important for the perpetuation of the species.
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Well in case you hadnt noticed, the playing field is not level.

That's just the way it is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3114018


Who knew someone would come along in this thread who'd make the woman in the original post look like a saint...

What I've noticed is that most people who seem to think they're on the "upper level"...really aren't. It's all in their imagination.
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


men that get rejected a lot are women haters. Desperate men hit on women in the workplace. Men are dangerous creatures at times, especially the ones that claim to hate women/marriage, yet still want to hit on them and fuck them.

Yup. It was just my imagination...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3114018


Round about logic she's using here to project an image onto men she deems unattractive so she can justify a reason to be
rude and mean to them. They're not generally assholes so she creates a delusional mindset in which all men she deems as low status are rapists and women beaters. Nothing more than a self eentitlement complex to make her feel better.

"Men are dangerous creatures at times, especially the ones that claim to hate women/marriage, yet still want to hit on them and fuck them."

And these are the men who typically get most of the women.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21712215

Yes, yes fascinating, do go on. Please show us on the doll where they touched you.

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They are fucking insane, just like men. What's your point? We're all screwed in the head anymore.

Welcome to planet Earth, next stop - your miserable existence!
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Happily married to what? Your cat?
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my husband. we have a dog, actually, he's 2 but stillacts like a puppy.

I don't really like cats much.
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Sorry to be out of line but ... no kids?
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2 children and we are trying for one more, if you must know hf

We also have 2 horses, but they are currently in another state on a farm that uses them for dressage schooling. I hope to get them back next year, after I have the baby (hopefully).
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Well that's all pretty cool. We have friends with horses, and I tried to get my wife to agree to have a couple, but she was right to say no. They are a big responsibility, and we could not afford to have them boarded elsewhere in case we had a little time to ride them.
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Who knew someone would come along in this thread who'd make the woman in the original post look like a saint...

What I've noticed is that most people who seem to think they're on the "upper level"...really aren't. It's all in their imagination.
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


men that get rejected a lot are women haters. Desperate men hit on women in the workplace. Men are dangerous creatures at times, especially the ones that claim to hate women/marriage, yet still want to hit on them and fuck them.

Yup. It was just my imagination...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3114018


Round about logic she's using here to project an image onto men she deems unattractive so she can justify a reason to be
rude and mean to them. They're not generally assholes so she creates a delusional mindset in which all men she deems as low status are rapists and women beaters. Nothing more than a self eentitlement complex to make her feel better.

"Men are dangerous creatures at times, especially the ones that claim to hate women/marriage, yet still want to hit on them and fuck them."

And these are the men who typically get most of the women.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21712215


Yeah, why does she say "dangerous"? It's what works and it's fair game, if the woman doesn't say she is unavailable.

She appears to hate men using what works. But in the battle of the sexes, both men and women should do what works. It's important for the perpetuation of the species.
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by now you should know that mankind is the most dangerous species to roam the planet.
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Who knew someone would come along in this thread who'd make the woman in the original post look like a saint...

What I've noticed is that most people who seem to think they're on the "upper level"...really aren't. It's all in their imagination.
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


men that get rejected a lot are women haters. Desperate men hit on women in the workplace. Men are dangerous creatures at times, especially the ones that claim to hate women/marriage, yet still want to hit on them and fuck them.

Yup. It was just my imagination...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3114018


Round about logic she's using here to project an image onto men she deems unattractive so she can justify a reason to be
rude and mean to them. They're not generally assholes so she creates a delusional mindset in which all men she deems as low status are rapists and women beaters. Nothing more than a self eentitlement complex to make her feel better.

"Men are dangerous creatures at times, especially the ones that claim to hate women/marriage, yet still want to hit on them and fuck them."

And these are the men who typically get most of the women.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21712215

Yes, yes fascinating, do go on. Please show us on the doll where they touched you.

tomato
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Wow, I am sometimes tempted to ask you the same thing. As a man, what he writes seems to be basically true. You are the one who called men dangerous.
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There is nothing wrong with a nice guy.
Who would want an idiot, attractive or not.

Nice guy...please.
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men that get rejected a lot are women haters. Desperate men hit on women in the workplace. Men are dangerous creatures at times, especially the ones that claim to hate women/marriage, yet still want to hit on them and fuck them.

Yup. It was just my imagination...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3114018


Round about logic she's using here to project an image onto men she deems unattractive so she can justify a reason to be
rude and mean to them. They're not generally assholes so she creates a delusional mindset in which all men she deems as low status are rapists and women beaters. Nothing more than a self eentitlement complex to make her feel better.

"Men are dangerous creatures at times, especially the ones that claim to hate women/marriage, yet still want to hit on them and fuck them."

And these are the men who typically get most of the women.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21712215


Yeah, why does she say "dangerous"? It's what works and it's fair game, if the woman doesn't say she is unavailable.

She appears to hate men using what works. But in the battle of the sexes, both men and women should do what works. It's important for the perpetuation of the species.
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by now you should know that mankind is the most dangerous species to roam the planet.
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Sure, but aren't you stepping back from your statement quite a bit? Especially in your mindset of workplace rules, to call someone "dangerous" is to put quite a label on him, or her.

Men are men, women are women, vive la difference. Do you see anything to complain about with that?
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There is nothing wrong with a nice guy.
Who would want an idiot, attractive or not.

Nice guy...please.
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Yes but recalling the crude-but-truthy post just above, would you be interested in a nice guy that didn't make "Gina" react?
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my husband. we have a dog, actually, he's 2 but stillacts like a puppy.

I don't really like cats much.
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Sorry to be out of line but ... no kids?
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2 children and we are trying for one more, if you must know hf

We also have 2 horses, but they are currently in another state on a farm that uses them for dressage schooling. I hope to get them back next year, after I have the baby (hopefully).
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Well that's all pretty cool. We have friends with horses, and I tried to get my wife to agree to have a couple, but she was right to say no. They are a big responsibility, and we could not afford to have them boarded elsewhere in case we had a little time to ride them.
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They are expensive but they are great teachers, great friends. I plan on getting another one that will be for western trail riding.
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I think it's ridiculous to insinuate that only jerks can have confidence/sex appeal. Jerks don't impress me. Most women have experience with 1 or 2 (some more, if they're clueless), but eventually we wake up. Unless of course you're a drama queen.

A funny, dorky, NICE guy is far more attractive to me than some idiot who thinks he's God's gift to women, and treats everyone (not just women) like trash. The majority of time, those guys are as dumb as bricks, too.

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Round about logic she's using here to project an image onto men she deems unattractive so she can justify a reason to be
rude and mean to them. They're not generally assholes so she creates a delusional mindset in which all men she deems as low status are rapists and women beaters. Nothing more than a self eentitlement complex to make her feel better.

"Men are dangerous creatures at times, especially the ones that claim to hate women/marriage, yet still want to hit on them and fuck them."

And these are the men who typically get most of the women.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21712215


Yeah, why does she say "dangerous"? It's what works and it's fair game, if the woman doesn't say she is unavailable.

She appears to hate men using what works. But in the battle of the sexes, both men and women should do what works. It's important for the perpetuation of the species.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33389306


by now you should know that mankind is the most dangerous species to roam the planet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3114018

Sure, but aren't you stepping back from your statement quite a bit? Especially in your mindset of workplace rules, to call someone "dangerous" is to put quite a label on him, or her.

Men are men, women are women, vive la difference. Do you see anything to complain about with that?
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I stand by everything I said. And I must go to bed soon, I am due to run 15 miles tomorrow morning and need to be well rested for my training.

Good evening enjoy your debates ;)
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There is nothing wrong with a nice guy.
Who would want an idiot, attractive or not.

Nice guy...please.
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Yes but recalling the crude-but-truthy post just above, would you be interested in a nice guy that didn't make "Gina" react?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33389306


Look...I want a nice guy. Not his money, doesnt have to want kids, doesnt have to be perfect (no one is).

If hes nice and he really loves me...thats VERY attractive.
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There is nothing wrong with a nice guy.
Who would want an idiot, attractive or not.

Nice guy...please.
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Yes but recalling the crude-but-truthy post just above, would you be interested in a nice guy that didn't make "Gina" react?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33389306


Look...I want a nice guy. Not his money, doesnt have to want kids, doesnt have to be perfect (no one is).

If hes nice and he really loves me...thats VERY attractive.
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Sorry to say the truth again, but your Gina is going to go into hibernation. The Nice Guy isn't going to get that pearl to glisten and put out of its misery when it longs for that alpha D.
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tell her you are queer as a 9 dollar bill and that you are disgusted that she would even think you'd even try to fuck her with a 10 dollar bribe.. act all disgusted.. gag a few times and run to the bathroom.

She will have you over stripping naked in front of you within the week!
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There is nothing wrong with a nice guy.
Who would want an idiot, attractive or not.

Nice guy...please.
 Quoting: Taralily


Yes but recalling the crude-but-truthy post just above, would you be interested in a nice guy that didn't make "Gina" react?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33389306


Look...I want a nice guy. Not his money, doesnt have to want kids, doesnt have to be perfect (no one is).

If hes nice and he really loves me...thats VERY attractive.
 Quoting: Taralily


Sorry to say the truth again, but your Gina is going to go into hibernation. The Nice Guy isn't going to get that pearl to glisten and put out of its misery when it longs for that alpha D.
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So even if you do get a wife in some other way, it's not going to be a very stable marriage eh? ;)

A good stable marriage requires some level of sex to be satisfying enough for both parties. I believe that.
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There is nothing wrong with a nice guy.
Who would want an idiot, attractive or not.

Nice guy...please.
 Quoting: Taralily


Yes but recalling the crude-but-truthy post just above, would you be interested in a nice guy that didn't make "Gina" react?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33389306


Look...I want a nice guy. Not his money, doesnt have to want kids, doesnt have to be perfect (no one is).

If hes nice and he really loves me...thats VERY attractive.
 Quoting: Taralily


Sorry to say the truth again, but your Gina is going to go into hibernation. The Nice Guy isn't going to get that pearl to glisten and put out of its misery when it longs for that alpha D.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32852547


Oh, and "alpha" doesn't have to be big, strong, rich. It just has to get Gina interested a bit, once. Not too freakin' hard.

Gina is a loyal friend to a guy.
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I used to work fo a very wealthy guy in the financial buz. One year, profits were so high, he gifted me the maximun amount he could without any tax implications, it worked out to be over 12k, and the guy was a good family man that new how to thank the people who worked hard for him. This gift was not from company money, not a bonus, it was from his own money, out of his estate.

Some men are very generous.
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swallowed did ya..
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No actually she did the right thing, wish i could find a woman like that with her head screwed on.

You say you like her but you havent let her know that......well you FAILED

She does know that, she saw you coming a mile away.

Why the fuck would you give her the god damn card?...cos you want to be nice......why you want to be nice?....cos you want her to like you.....why do you want her to like you?......because you like her.....and why do you like her?....because you have the urge to procreate same as all of us....PERIOD

You gave her the damn thing cos you wanna fuck her, she knows that, she's obviously honest to herself, and thats hard to find these days, YOU still arent honest with yourself or anyone else in turn.

The question is .....WTF is wrong with men these days?


Some are blind some are not, those who are not seem 'weird' to those who are.....but the same is not true in reverse, those who are blind just come across as dickheads to me, not weird at all, just stupid...unaware...blind

Ofcourse there will be a miriad of people out there who wanna fight me on this, can't we just be nice?....it is innocent i swear......LIARS or BLIND...NEXT!

granny
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Exactly.

Everyone on here bashes women for being 'gold diggers', yet OP tried to gain her attention with a cheap, regifted coffee card.


Men are just as much to blame for lacking the proper courting skills.

Being honest, up front and sincere when looking for love is a lost art.
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It's not about courting - it's about attracting, and seducing. This is a different skillset, and it's not taught effectively to anyone young enough to be able to use it effectively.

The key is that if you got laid last night, you are more attractive to girls today. Fuck anything to make sure that happens.

Attractive is often truly not giving a shit.
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not in my book. I am a woman of purity. And I would never lay down with a man who slept with a woman just to get laid, not in this day and age. love is a very special gift, lovemaking should only be done with someone you love. Your life's path and subsequent experiences will reflect how you live.

The new sexy is purity, and thats why its so hard to find, everyone is so used up and dirty and if you think this is untrue, you are not looking deeply enough into someone's eyes to see the depth of their lost soul.

Saving one's self for a true, meaningful relationship wil yield a far better relationship, both physical and spiritual than one could ever imagine.

But keep following that world view of fucking everything and anything to gain the attention of that one woman you will never have a chance with...
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Unless of course he is a multi-millionaire.. then you would be polishing a knob in record time!

and liking it!
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Women are ultra-impressionable beings and therefore are easily controlled by aliens and the elite. The main purpose of women on Earth (that is, what aliens have programmed them to do) is to enslave men via relationships. Women are obsessed with relationships and love (due to alien programming), and don't care about anything else in life. They would have men believe that being in a relationship is one of the most important things in existence, not realizing that men couldn't care less about being in a relationship--and rightly so. Furthermore, women force men to waste their precious time and resources on them. This demonic charade (i.e., relationships) has gone on for far too long and obviously has no end in sight. Thus, you can blame women for the downfall and utter hopelessness of humanity.

Make no mistake: It is indeed tragic that a man cannot satisfy his sexual needs without also getting trapped in a relationship at the same time (otherwise, he will be accused of rape, since non-relationship consensual sex does not exist on Earth, due to the aforementioned programming of women). Demonic enslavement traps such as this are the standard modus operandi of the Reptilians and Darkness. Now, just imagine if you had to buy an entire pizza restaurant just to order a pizza--an evil absurdity indeed.

Another thing that makes women insufferable is the fact that they are, essentially, babies. That is, they possess the emotional maturity of a 4-year-old boy. Women cry, throw fits, and need men to take care of them. Um, adults shouldn't need other people to take care of them.

All in all, women promote the enslavement, rather than the liberation, of humanity. It's bad enough that aliens and the elite already control us. Now, throw women into the equation and you have absolute misery. They are like sheep dogs helping out a shepherd (hence the term "bitch," in case you didn't know).

And to think, women are actually proud of their controlling ways. What a disgrace.
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How can a woman enslave a man unless he is enslaved by his own desires. I haven't met a man yet that could do without a woman.
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Yes but recalling the crude-but-truthy post just above, would you be interested in a nice guy that didn't make "Gina" react?
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Look...I want a nice guy. Not his money, doesnt have to want kids, doesnt have to be perfect (no one is).

If hes nice and he really loves me...thats VERY attractive.
 Quoting: Taralily


Sorry to say the truth again, but your Gina is going to go into hibernation. The Nice Guy isn't going to get that pearl to glisten and put out of its misery when it longs for that alpha D.
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Oh, and "alpha" doesn't have to be big, strong, rich. It just has to get Gina interested a bit, once. Not too freakin' hard.

Gina is a loyal friend to a guy.
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You dont get it do you. Some of us do not want just anything. You think all women just cant resist no matter what.
Sorry but this one can. The nice guy sure can get it to "glisten" and has :)

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