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What’s With The Bible?

 
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Why is the Bible so Fucked up? For Example:

Michal had no child

2 Samuel 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

Michal had five children

2 Samuel 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:

God cannot lie
Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

God Lies to Abraham

Genesis 22:1-12 1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did prove Abraham, and said unto him: 'Abraham'; and he said: 'Here am I.' 2 And He said: 'Take now thy son, thine only son, whom thou lovest, even Isaac, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt-offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.' 3 And Abraham rose early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son; and he cleaved the wood for the burnt-offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him. 4 On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off. 5 And Abraham said unto his young men: 'Abide ye here with the ass, and I and the lad will go yonder; and we will worship, and come back to you.' 6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt-offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took in his hand the fire and the knife; and they went both of them together. 7 And Isaac spoke unto Abraham his father, and said: 'My father.' And he said: 'Here am I, my son.' And he said: 'Behold the fire and the wood; but where is the lamb for a burnt-offering?' 8 And Abraham said: 'God will provide Himself the lamb for a burnt-offering, my son.' So they went both of them together. 9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built the altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. 10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. 11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said: 'Abraham, Abraham.' And he said: 'Here am I.' 12 And he said: 'Lay not thy hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him; for now I know that thou art a God-fearing man, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son, from Me.'

God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

1 Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

God is Multiple entites

Genesis 1:26 26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.'

God is one entity

Deuteronomy 6:4 4 Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one.

Man was created after the other animals.

Genesis 1:25,26,27 24 And God said: 'Let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after its kind.' And it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after its kind, and the cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.' 27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

Man was created before the animals.

Genesis 2:18,19

And the LORD God said: 'It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him.' 19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them; and whatsoever the man would call every living creature, that was to be the name thereof.
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God Lies to Abraham

Genesis 22:1-12 1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did prove Abraham, and said unto him: 'Abraham'; and he said: 'Here am I.' 2 And He said: 'Take now thy son, thine only son, whom thou lovest, even Isaac, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt-offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.' 3 And Abraham rose early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son; and he cleaved the wood for the burnt-offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him. 4 On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off. 5 And Abraham said unto his young men: 'Abide ye here with the ass, and I and the lad will go yonder; and we will worship, and come back to you.' 6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt-offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took in his hand the fire and the knife; and they went both of them together. 7 And Isaac spoke unto Abraham his father, and said: 'My father.' And he said: 'Here am I, my son.' And he said: 'Behold the fire and the wood; but where is the lamb for a burnt-offering?' 8 And Abraham said: 'God will provide Himself the lamb for a burnt-offering, my son.' So they went both of them together. 9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built the altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. 10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. 11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said: 'Abraham, Abraham.' And he said: 'Here am I.' 12 And he said: 'Lay not thy hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him; for now I know that thou art a God-fearing man, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son, from Me.'


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I'll address one. Do you know why Abraham was commanded to slay his son Isaac? Do you know what was behind it?
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Since you're not replying, and might not, I'll continue so that maybe you're learn something here about the awesome God we serve.

Satan is the accuser. He is the one who goes before God and accuses us in front of the entire heavenly host. He hates God's faithful people, hates with with a passion. He hates them because he knows that they will be exhausted and he's going down......soon.

God had a faithful servant Job. Satan went before the Lord and accused Job. He said.....take away everything that he has and see if he will still love you. God, knowing Job's heart would be faithful allowed this to shame satan, and prove him a liar before the entire heavenly host.

You can read about this in the book of Job.

This same scenario occured with Abraham. Satan hated Abraham, and his son Isaac. He knew that the messiah would come from them and he wanted to try to destroy that because it is through the messiah that we are saved and redeemed. That is satan's worst nightmare.

So, satan approached God again, and made the same case against Abraham. He posed the accusation against Abraham that he wouldn't be faithful to God in all things. So, once again, God allowed this test to prove Abraham faithful and prove the devil to be the liar that he is.

When it was shown that Abraham was going to be 100% faithful to God and kill his son, the Lord said no and stopped it because the point was then made that he was faithful no matter what.

Once again......shamed the devil, and proved that there really are people in this world that really do love the Lord no matter what and will be faithful.

The Book of Jubilees chapter 17 & 18

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People are always trying to find fault with God, trying to accuse Him of wrong doing, trying to point the finger at Him and finding some evidence against Him, while every single instance satan is behind it and the people who are accusing God are ignorant of the facts behind everything.

Satan is a liar, an accuser and a deceiver.

God is HOLY........and ALWAYS HOLY and TRUE.

FACT........take it to the bank. Don't make yourself an enemy of the one who loves you the most, which is the Lord.

Put the blame where the blame should be, on the enemy. The one who caused us to fall in the first place.

Don't align yourself with the enemy by falsely accusing the one who loves you and wants to redeem your lost soul.

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Why do believers undermine GOD's Omniscience with their explanations?

GOD through his omniscience knows ALL things. He knows what we have done, he knows what we are doing and what we will do in the future.

So Lisa are you saying GOD didn't know that Abraham would kill his son through faith & obedience? His omniscience means he already knows Abraham's worthiness.

Really? Is this how GOD works?

And are you saying GOD really needed to let Satan loose on all the innocents in JOB?

Really?

What happens to free will when GOD allows Satan to kill Job's servants & family?

They didn't die through any choices they made! There was no free will when GOD allowed this!

They were innocent and you really believe GOD sacrifices innocents in his tussles with Satan?

Is GOD really this unintelligent?

It's the same as when GOD allegedy hardened Pharoah's heart 11 odd times. Free will out the window.

GOD could just have said be gone Satan... I know the hearts of my followers, OR, better still click his fingers and destroy Satan.

Why do Christians undermine GOD's magnificence with their misinterpretations?
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Why do believers undermine GOD's Omniscience with their explanations?

GOD through his omniscience knows ALL things. He knows what we have done, he knows what we are doing and what we will do in the future.

So Lisa are you saying GOD didn't know that Abraham would kill his son through faith & obedience? His omniscience means he already knows Abraham's worthiness.

Really? Is this how GOD works?

And are you saying GOD really needed to let Satan loose on all the innocents in JOB?

Really?

What happens to free will when GOD allows Satan to kill Job's servants & family?

They didn't die through any choices they made! There was no free will when GOD allowed this!

They were innocent and you really believe GOD sacrifices innocents in his tussles with Satan?

Is GOD really this unintelligent?

It's the same as when GOD allegedy hardened Pharoah's heart 11 odd times. Free will out the window.

GOD could just have said be gone Satan... I know the hearts of my followers, OR, better still click his fingers and destroy Satan.

Why do Christians undermine GOD's magnificence with their misinterpretations?
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It's about justice and proving, before all of creation, that satan is a liar.....all all his accusations amount to nothing.
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Why do believers undermine GOD's Omniscience with their explanations?

GOD through his omniscience knows ALL things. He knows what we have done, he knows what we are doing and what we will do in the future.
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You confuse knowing with being. Two different things.
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Why is the Bible so Fucked up? For Example:

Michal had no child

2 Samuel 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

Michal had five children

2 Samuel 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:



The mention of five sons of Michal is interesting enough; what makes it more interesting is the father's name! Edriel was none other than the husband of Merav, Michal's older sister (Shemuel I 18:19)!

Sanhedrin 19b resolves this by facts that Michal raised the children after Merav died young. Ralbag (Shemuel I 25:44) augments this by pointing out that if Michal actually was childless, she might have been given the children to raise in the absence of any children of her own
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I WILL CONTINUE WITH YOUR NEXT QUESTION





God cannot lie
Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

God Lies to Abraham

Genesis 22:1-12 1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did prove Abraham, and said unto him: 'Abraham'; and he said: 'Here am I.' 2 And He said: 'Take now thy son, thine only son, whom thou lovest, even Isaac, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt-offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.' 3 And Abraham rose early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son; and he cleaved the wood for the burnt-offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him. 4 On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off. 5 And Abraham said unto his young men: 'Abide ye here with the ass, and I and the lad will go yonder; and we will worship, and come back to you.' 6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt-offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took in his hand the fire and the knife; and they went both of them together. 7 And Isaac spoke unto Abraham his father, and said: 'My father.' And he said: 'Here am I, my son.' And he said: 'Behold the fire and the wood; but where is the lamb for a burnt-offering?' 8 And Abraham said: 'God will provide Himself the lamb for a burnt-offering, my son.' So they went both of them together. 9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built the altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. 10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. 11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said: 'Abraham, Abraham.' And he said: 'Here am I.' 12 And he said: 'Lay not thy hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him; for now I know that thou art a God-fearing man, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son, from Me.'


GOD DID NOT LIE TO ABRAHAM HE WAS GOING TO TAKE ISAAC BUT THE ANGELS PLEADED WITH HIM AND HE PROVIDED A LAMB INSTEAD. I WILL PROVE THIS

jASHER CHAPTER 23
63 And Abraham heard the words of Isaac, and he lifted up his voice and wept when Isaac spake these words; and Abraham's tears gushed down upon Isaac his son, and Isaac wept bitterly, and he said to his father, Hasten thou, O my father, and do with me the will of the Lord our God as He has commanded thee.


64 And the hearts of Abraham and Isaac rejoiced at this thing which the Lord had commanded them; but the eye wept bitterly whilst the heart rejoiced.


65 And Abraham bound his son Isaac, and placed him on the altar upon the wood, and Isaac stretched forth his neck upon the altar before his father, and Abraham stretched forth his hand to take the knife to slay his son as a burnt offering before the Lord.


66 At that time the angels of mercy came before the Lord and spake to him concerning Isaac, saying,


67 0 Lord, thou art a merciful and compassionate King over all that thou hast created in heaven and in earth, and thou supportest them all; give therefore ransom and redemption instead of thy servant Isaac, and pity and have compassion upon Abraham and Isaac his son, who are this day performing thy commands.


68 Hast thou seen, O Lord, how Isaac the son of Abraham thy servant is bound down to the slaughter like an animal? now therefore let thy pity be roused for them, O Lord.


69 At that time the Lord appeared unto Abraham, and called to him, from heaven, and said unto him, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him, for now I know that thou fearest God in performing this act, and in not withholding thy son, thine only son, from me.





God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


I WILL PROVE WHY HE SENT STRONG DELUSION "THE CAUSE"BECASUE THE MAN OF SI IS REVEALD AND PEOPLE WILLFULLY FOLLOW AFTER HIM AND NOT REPENT.THIS IS JUST BEFORE THE COMING OF MESSIAH

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.







1 Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.


I WILL JUSTIFY WHY GOD PUT A LYING SPIRIT IN THE MOUTHS OF THE PROPHETS ALSO.THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL WERE WORSHIPING IDOLS AND SACRIFICING THEIR CHILDREN AND THEN GOING BEFORE THE PROPHETS FOR COUNSEL

3 Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumblingblock of their iniquity before their face: should I be enquired of at all by them?

4 Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols;

5 That I may take the house of Israel in their own heart, because they are all estranged from me through their idols.

6 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations.

7 For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to enquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself:

8 And I will set my face against that man, and will make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the midst of my people; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.








God is Multiple entites

Genesis 1:26 26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.'

God is one entity

Deuteronomy 6:4 4 Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one.


PROOF
THE WORD GOD WAS INJECTED IN THE BIBLE THE REAL HEBREW WORD IN THAT VERSE IS ELOHIM WHICH IS THE COMBINATION OF THE FATHER THE WORD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.THREE ENTITIES THE FATHER IS GOD ALMIGHTY..THE WORD IS A SPIRIT WHICH BECAME FLESH EVENTUALLY AND IS YESHSHIYEH[jesus] AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.

GOD THE FATHER OF ALL CREATED EVERYTHING BY THE WORD AS HE SPOKE IT..THIS IS THE SAME JESUS IN THE FLESH THE WORD OF GOD

GOD IS ONE THERE IS NO OTHER GOD OR EQUAL THE SON HAS HIS ROLE THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS HER ROLE. THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR WITNESS IN HEAVEN.THE FATHER THE WORD AND THE SPIRIT








Man was created after the other animals.

Genesis 1:25,26,27 24 And God said: 'Let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after its kind.' And it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after its kind, and the cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.' 27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

Man was created before the animals.

Genesis 2:18,19

And the LORD God said: 'It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him.' 19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them; and whatsoever the man would call every living creature, that was to be the name thereof.
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I WILL DEBUNK THIS ALSO AND THEN REPENT

IF YOU LOOK AT GENESIS CHAPTER TWO YOU WILL SEE IT IS A SUMMARIZATION OF CHAPTER ONE AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PRINT THOSE SCRIPTURES TO PROVE THAT BUT I FEEL THE NEED TO


2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Heb 4:4

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.




4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

The summary starts right after the conclusion above and as follows

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.



NOW YOU HEATHENS DON'T SIT HERE AND THINK I WILL LET YOU DESTROY THE WORKS OF MY FATHER ..BECAUSE HE IS TRUE AND GRACIOUS AND KIND AND WILL NOT LIE

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Why do believers undermine GOD's Omniscience with their explanations?

GOD through his omniscience knows ALL things. He knows what we have done, he knows what we are doing and what we will do in the future.

So Lisa are you saying GOD didn't know that Abraham would kill his son through faith & obedience? His omniscience means he already knows Abraham's worthiness.

Really? Is this how GOD works?

And are you saying GOD really needed to let Satan loose on all the innocents in JOB?

Really?

What happens to free will when GOD allows Satan to kill Job's servants & family?

They didn't die through any choices they made! There was no free will when GOD allowed this!

They were innocent and you really believe GOD sacrifices innocents in his tussles with Satan?

Is GOD really this unintelligent?

It's the same as when GOD allegedy hardened Pharoah's heart 11 odd times. Free will out the window.

GOD could just have said be gone Satan... I know the hearts of my followers, OR, better still click his fingers and destroy Satan.

Why do Christians undermine GOD's magnificence with their misinterpretations?
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It's about justice and proving, before all of creation, that satan is a liar.....all all his accusations amount to nothing.
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Sorry Lisa but that doesn't make sense at all.

Where is the Justice for all those innocent people killed in the story of JOB?

Where is the Justice for all those who lost their loved ones in this event?

Where is the justice for all the firstborn who were killed & their families who suffered in the passover?

If justice was GOD's goal he could have just destroyed Satan... and yet he didn't.

OK so Satan is a liar... Satan is far worse than that according to the Bible.

Satan apparently can even tempt GOD to authorize him to be let loose on innocents according to the Job story.

Do you really think the most magnificent, intelligent being in the Universe, GOD, really operates like this?
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Why do believers undermine GOD's Omniscience with their explanations?

GOD through his omniscience knows ALL things. He knows what we have done, he knows what we are doing and what we will do in the future.

So Lisa are you saying GOD didn't know that Abraham would kill his son through faith & obedience? His omniscience means he already knows Abraham's worthiness.

Really? Is this how GOD works?

And are you saying GOD really needed to let Satan loose on all the innocents in JOB?

Really?

What happens to free will when GOD allows Satan to kill Job's servants & family?

They didn't die through any choices they made! There was no free will when GOD allowed this!

They were innocent and you really believe GOD sacrifices innocents in his tussles with Satan?

Is GOD really this unintelligent?

It's the same as when GOD allegedy hardened Pharoah's heart 11 odd times. Free will out the window.

GOD could just have said be gone Satan... I know the hearts of my followers, OR, better still click his fingers and destroy Satan.

Why do Christians undermine GOD's magnificence with their misinterpretations?
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It's about justice and proving, before all of creation, that satan is a liar.....all all his accusations amount to nothing.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Sorry Lisa but that doesn't make sense at all.


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It makes perfect sense, you just don't like it. You expect God to be the way YOU think He should be, which is flawed.

No point in continuing the conversation because you will only find what you think is flaws and fault with God.

Take it to Him in prayer, let Him show you.

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Why is the Bible so Fucked up? For Example:

Michal had no child

2 Samuel 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

Michal had five children

2 Samuel 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:



The mention of five sons of Michal is interesting enough; what makes it more interesting is the father's name! Edriel was none other than the husband of Merav, Michal's older sister (Shemuel I 18:19)!

Sanhedrin 19b resolves this by facts that Michal raised the children after Merav died young. Ralbag (Shemuel I 25:44) augments this by pointing out that if Michal actually was childless, she might have been given the children to raise in the absence of any children of her own
.


I WILL CONTINUE WITH YOUR NEXT QUESTION





God cannot lie
Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

God Lies to Abraham

Genesis 22:1-12 1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did prove Abraham, and said unto him: 'Abraham'; and he said: 'Here am I.' 2 And He said: 'Take now thy son, thine only son, whom thou lovest, even Isaac, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt-offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.' 3 And Abraham rose early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son; and he cleaved the wood for the burnt-offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him. 4 On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off. 5 And Abraham said unto his young men: 'Abide ye here with the ass, and I and the lad will go yonder; and we will worship, and come back to you.' 6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt-offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took in his hand the fire and the knife; and they went both of them together. 7 And Isaac spoke unto Abraham his father, and said: 'My father.' And he said: 'Here am I, my son.' And he said: 'Behold the fire and the wood; but where is the lamb for a burnt-offering?' 8 And Abraham said: 'God will provide Himself the lamb for a burnt-offering, my son.' So they went both of them together. 9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built the altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. 10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. 11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said: 'Abraham, Abraham.' And he said: 'Here am I.' 12 And he said: 'Lay not thy hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him; for now I know that thou art a God-fearing man, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son, from Me.'


GOD DID NOT LIE TO ABRAHAM HE WAS GOING TO TAKE ISAAC BUT THE ANGELS PLEADED WITH HIM AND HE PROVIDED A LAMB INSTEAD. I WILL PROVE THIS

jASHER CHAPTER 23
63 And Abraham heard the words of Isaac, and he lifted up his voice and wept when Isaac spake these words; and Abraham's tears gushed down upon Isaac his son, and Isaac wept bitterly, and he said to his father, Hasten thou, O my father, and do with me the will of the Lord our God as He has commanded thee.


64 And the hearts of Abraham and Isaac rejoiced at this thing which the Lord had commanded them; but the eye wept bitterly whilst the heart rejoiced.


65 And Abraham bound his son Isaac, and placed him on the altar upon the wood, and Isaac stretched forth his neck upon the altar before his father, and Abraham stretched forth his hand to take the knife to slay his son as a burnt offering before the Lord.


66 At that time the angels of mercy came before the Lord and spake to him concerning Isaac, saying,


67 0 Lord, thou art a merciful and compassionate King over all that thou hast created in heaven and in earth, and thou supportest them all; give therefore ransom and redemption instead of thy servant Isaac, and pity and have compassion upon Abraham and Isaac his son, who are this day performing thy commands.


68 Hast thou seen, O Lord, how Isaac the son of Abraham thy servant is bound down to the slaughter like an animal? now therefore let thy pity be roused for them, O Lord.


69 At that time the Lord appeared unto Abraham, and called to him, from heaven, and said unto him, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him, for now I know that thou fearest God in performing this act, and in not withholding thy son, thine only son, from me.





God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


I WILL PROVE WHY HE SENT STRONG DELUSION "THE CAUSE"BECASUE THE MAN OF SI IS REVEALD AND PEOPLE WILLFULLY FOLLOW AFTER HIM AND NOT REPENT.THIS IS JUST BEFORE THE COMING OF MESSIAH

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.







1 Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.


I WILL JUSTIFY WHY GOD PUT A LYING SPIRIT IN THE MOUTHS OF THE PROPHETS ALSO.THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL WERE WORSHIPING IDOLS AND SACRIFICING THEIR CHILDREN AND THEN GOING BEFORE THE PROPHETS FOR COUNSEL

3 Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumblingblock of their iniquity before their face: should I be enquired of at all by them?

4 Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols;

5 That I may take the house of Israel in their own heart, because they are all estranged from me through their idols.

6 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations.

7 For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to enquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself:

8 And I will set my face against that man, and will make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the midst of my people; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.








God is Multiple entites

Genesis 1:26 26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.'

God is one entity

Deuteronomy 6:4 4 Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one.


PROOF
THE WORD GOD WAS INJECTED IN THE BIBLE THE REAL HEBREW WORD IN THAT VERSE IS ELOHIM WHICH IS THE COMBINATION OF THE FATHER THE WORD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.THREE ENTITIES THE FATHER IS GOD ALMIGHTY..THE WORD IS A SPIRIT WHICH BECAME FLESH EVENTUALLY AND IS YESHSHIYEH[jesus] AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.

GOD THE FATHER OF ALL CREATED EVERYTHING BY THE WORD AS HE SPOKE IT..THIS IS THE SAME JESUS IN THE FLESH THE WORD OF GOD

GOD IS ONE THERE IS NO OTHER GOD OR EQUAL THE SON HAS HIS ROLE THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS HER ROLE. THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR WITNESS IN HEAVEN.THE FATHER THE WORD AND THE SPIRIT








Man was created after the other animals.

Genesis 1:25,26,27 24 And God said: 'Let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after its kind.' And it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after its kind, and the cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.' 27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

Man was created before the animals.

Genesis 2:18,19

And the LORD God said: 'It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him.' 19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them; and whatsoever the man would call every living creature, that was to be the name thereof.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33728693


I WILL DEBUNK THIS ALSO AND THEN REPENT

IF YOU LOOK AT GENESIS CHAPTER TWO YOU WILL SEE IT IS A SUMMARIZATION OF CHAPTER ONE AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PRINT THOSE SCRIPTURES TO PROVE THAT BUT I FEEL THE NEED TO


2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Heb 4:4

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.




4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

The summary starts right after the conclusion above and as follows

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.



NOW YOU HEATHENS DON'T SIT HERE AND THINK I WILL LET YOU DESTROY THE WORKS OF MY FATHER ..BECAUSE HE IS TRUE AND GRACIOUS AND KIND AND WILL NOT LIE

GHGGG
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


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Why is the Bible so Fucked up? For Example:

Michal had no child

2 Samuel 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

Michal had five children

2 Samuel 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:



The mention of five sons of Michal is interesting enough; what makes it more interesting is the father's name! Edriel was none other than the husband of Merav, Michal's older sister (Shemuel I 18:19)!

Sanhedrin 19b resolves this by facts that Michal raised the children after Merav died young. Ralbag (Shemuel I 25:44) augments this by pointing out that if Michal actually was childless, she might have been given the children to raise in the absence of any children of her own
.


I WILL CONTINUE WITH YOUR NEXT QUESTION





God cannot lie
Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

God Lies to Abraham

Genesis 22:1-12 1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did prove Abraham, and said unto him: 'Abraham'; and he said: 'Here am I.' 2 And He said: 'Take now thy son, thine only son, whom thou lovest, even Isaac, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt-offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.' 3 And Abraham rose early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son; and he cleaved the wood for the burnt-offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him. 4 On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off. 5 And Abraham said unto his young men: 'Abide ye here with the ass, and I and the lad will go yonder; and we will worship, and come back to you.' 6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt-offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took in his hand the fire and the knife; and they went both of them together. 7 And Isaac spoke unto Abraham his father, and said: 'My father.' And he said: 'Here am I, my son.' And he said: 'Behold the fire and the wood; but where is the lamb for a burnt-offering?' 8 And Abraham said: 'God will provide Himself the lamb for a burnt-offering, my son.' So they went both of them together. 9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built the altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. 10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. 11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said: 'Abraham, Abraham.' And he said: 'Here am I.' 12 And he said: 'Lay not thy hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him; for now I know that thou art a God-fearing man, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son, from Me.'


GOD DID NOT LIE TO ABRAHAM HE WAS GOING TO TAKE ISAAC BUT THE ANGELS PLEADED WITH HIM AND HE PROVIDED A LAMB INSTEAD. I WILL PROVE THIS

jASHER CHAPTER 23
63 And Abraham heard the words of Isaac, and he lifted up his voice and wept when Isaac spake these words; and Abraham's tears gushed down upon Isaac his son, and Isaac wept bitterly, and he said to his father, Hasten thou, O my father, and do with me the will of the Lord our God as He has commanded thee.


64 And the hearts of Abraham and Isaac rejoiced at this thing which the Lord had commanded them; but the eye wept bitterly whilst the heart rejoiced.


65 And Abraham bound his son Isaac, and placed him on the altar upon the wood, and Isaac stretched forth his neck upon the altar before his father, and Abraham stretched forth his hand to take the knife to slay his son as a burnt offering before the Lord.


66 At that time the angels of mercy came before the Lord and spake to him concerning Isaac, saying,


67 0 Lord, thou art a merciful and compassionate King over all that thou hast created in heaven and in earth, and thou supportest them all; give therefore ransom and redemption instead of thy servant Isaac, and pity and have compassion upon Abraham and Isaac his son, who are this day performing thy commands.


68 Hast thou seen, O Lord, how Isaac the son of Abraham thy servant is bound down to the slaughter like an animal? now therefore let thy pity be roused for them, O Lord.


69 At that time the Lord appeared unto Abraham, and called to him, from heaven, and said unto him, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him, for now I know that thou fearest God in performing this act, and in not withholding thy son, thine only son, from me.





God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


I WILL PROVE WHY HE SENT STRONG DELUSION "THE CAUSE"BECASUE THE MAN OF SI IS REVEALD AND PEOPLE WILLFULLY FOLLOW AFTER HIM AND NOT REPENT.THIS IS JUST BEFORE THE COMING OF MESSIAH

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.







1 Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.


I WILL JUSTIFY WHY GOD PUT A LYING SPIRIT IN THE MOUTHS OF THE PROPHETS ALSO.THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL WERE WORSHIPING IDOLS AND SACRIFICING THEIR CHILDREN AND THEN GOING BEFORE THE PROPHETS FOR COUNSEL

3 Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumblingblock of their iniquity before their face: should I be enquired of at all by them?

4 Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols;

5 That I may take the house of Israel in their own heart, because they are all estranged from me through their idols.

6 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations.

7 For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to enquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself:

8 And I will set my face against that man, and will make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the midst of my people; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.








God is Multiple entites

Genesis 1:26 26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.'

God is one entity

Deuteronomy 6:4 4 Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one.


PROOF
THE WORD GOD WAS INJECTED IN THE BIBLE THE REAL HEBREW WORD IN THAT VERSE IS ELOHIM WHICH IS THE COMBINATION OF THE FATHER THE WORD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.THREE ENTITIES THE FATHER IS GOD ALMIGHTY..THE WORD IS A SPIRIT WHICH BECAME FLESH EVENTUALLY AND IS YESHSHIYEH[jesus] AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.

GOD THE FATHER OF ALL CREATED EVERYTHING BY THE WORD AS HE SPOKE IT..THIS IS THE SAME JESUS IN THE FLESH THE WORD OF GOD

GOD IS ONE THERE IS NO OTHER GOD OR EQUAL THE SON HAS HIS ROLE THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS HER ROLE. THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR WITNESS IN HEAVEN.THE FATHER THE WORD AND THE SPIRIT








Man was created after the other animals.

Genesis 1:25,26,27 24 And God said: 'Let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after its kind.' And it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after its kind, and the cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.' 27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

Man was created before the animals.

Genesis 2:18,19

And the LORD God said: 'It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him.' 19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them; and whatsoever the man would call every living creature, that was to be the name thereof.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33728693


I WILL DEBUNK THIS ALSO AND THEN REPENT

IF YOU LOOK AT GENESIS CHAPTER TWO YOU WILL SEE IT IS A SUMMARIZATION OF CHAPTER ONE AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PRINT THOSE SCRIPTURES TO PROVE THAT BUT I FEEL THE NEED TO


2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Heb 4:4

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.




4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

The summary starts right after the conclusion above and as follows

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.



NOW YOU HEATHENS DON'T SIT HERE AND THINK I WILL LET YOU DESTROY THE WORKS OF MY FATHER ..BECAUSE HE IS TRUE AND GRACIOUS AND KIND AND WILL NOT LIE

GHGGG
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


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John 14:6 "Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me'."
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Why do believers undermine GOD's Omniscience with their explanations?

GOD through his omniscience knows ALL things. He knows what we have done, he knows what we are doing and what we will do in the future.

So Lisa are you saying GOD didn't know that Abraham would kill his son through faith & obedience? His omniscience means he already knows Abraham's worthiness.

Really? Is this how GOD works?

And are you saying GOD really needed to let Satan loose on all the innocents in JOB?

Really?

What happens to free will when GOD allows Satan to kill Job's servants & family?

They didn't die through any choices they made! There was no free will when GOD allowed this!

They were innocent and you really believe GOD sacrifices innocents in his tussles with Satan?

Is GOD really this unintelligent?

It's the same as when GOD allegedy hardened Pharoah's heart 11 odd times. Free will out the window.

GOD could just have said be gone Satan... I know the hearts of my followers, OR, better still click his fingers and destroy Satan.

Why do Christians undermine GOD's magnificence with their misinterpretations?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


It's about justice and proving, before all of creation, that satan is a liar.....all all his accusations amount to nothing.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Sorry Lisa but that doesn't make sense at all.

Where is the Justice for all those innocent people killed in the story of JOB?

Where is the Justice for all those who lost their loved ones in this event?

Where is the justice for all the firstborn who were killed & their families who suffered in the passover?

If justice was GOD's goal he could have just destroyed Satan... and yet he didn't.

OK so Satan is a liar... Satan is far worse than that according to the Bible.

Satan apparently can even tempt GOD to authorize him to be let loose on innocents according to the Job story.

Do you really think the most magnificent, intelligent being in the Universe, GOD, really operates like this?
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There is no innocence in our world, wake up. Never was. Duality is such, btw.

Anyway, the only solution for humans´ fallen state is to go back. God provides the Way, don´t tarry.
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Why do believers undermine GOD's Omniscience with their explanations?

GOD through his omniscience knows ALL things. He knows what we have done, he knows what we are doing and what we will do in the future.

So Lisa are you saying GOD didn't know that Abraham would kill his son through faith & obedience? His omniscience means he already knows Abraham's worthiness.

Really? Is this how GOD works?

And are you saying GOD really needed to let Satan loose on all the innocents in JOB?

Really?

What happens to free will when GOD allows Satan to kill Job's servants & family?

They didn't die through any choices they made! There was no free will when GOD allowed this!

They were innocent and you really believe GOD sacrifices innocents in his tussles with Satan?

Is GOD really this unintelligent?

It's the same as when GOD allegedy hardened Pharoah's heart 11 odd times. Free will out the window.

GOD could just have said be gone Satan... I know the hearts of my followers, OR, better still click his fingers and destroy Satan.

Why do Christians undermine GOD's magnificence with their misinterpretations?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


It's about justice and proving, before all of creation, that satan is a liar.....all all his accusations amount to nothing.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Sorry Lisa but that doesn't make sense at all.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


It makes perfect sense, you just don't like it. You expect God to be the way YOU think He should be, which is flawed.

No point in continuing the conversation because you will only find what you think is flaws and fault with God.

Take it to Him in prayer, let Him show you.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Always be prepared to give an answer the bible teaches you that LISA.

The man has a question and you should find the answer to prove why GoD our father did these things. If he remains judgemental after receiving the truth and the reason then let it be on him.

But you chose to answer this thread so finish the works dont shut him off.
I can answer this one but you seem to know that i am blind
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Why do believers undermine GOD's Omniscience with their explanations?

GOD through his omniscience knows ALL things. He knows what we have done, he knows what we are doing and what we will do in the future.

So Lisa are you saying GOD didn't know that Abraham would kill his son through faith & obedience? His omniscience means he already knows Abraham's worthiness.

Really? Is this how GOD works?

And are you saying GOD really needed to let Satan loose on all the innocents in JOB?

Really?

What happens to free will when GOD allows Satan to kill Job's servants & family?

They didn't die through any choices they made! There was no free will when GOD allowed this!

They were innocent and you really believe GOD sacrifices innocents in his tussles with Satan?

Is GOD really this unintelligent?

It's the same as when GOD allegedy hardened Pharoah's heart 11 odd times. Free will out the window.

GOD could just have said be gone Satan... I know the hearts of my followers, OR, better still click his fingers and destroy Satan.

Why do Christians undermine GOD's magnificence with their misinterpretations?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


It's about justice and proving, before all of creation, that satan is a liar.....all all his accusations amount to nothing.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Sorry Lisa but that doesn't make sense at all.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


It makes perfect sense, you just don't like it. You expect God to be the way YOU think He should be, which is flawed.

No point in continuing the conversation because you will only find what you think is flaws and fault with God.

Take it to Him in prayer, let Him show you.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


NO LISA! GOD is flawless... It is you who is belittling him with your arguments.

Don't make false accusations! It's against one of the 10 commandments.

Feel free to stop... I will never undermine GOD... EVER!

I agree you shouldn't be teaching... the Bible tells me so...

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Why is the Bible so Fucked up? For Example:

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Different sources.
And then it was the people who lead the churches that formed the Canons (which book/version was more valid to be included).
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Why is the Bible so Fucked up? For Example:

Michal had no child

2 Samuel 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

Michal had five children

2 Samuel 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:



The mention of five sons of Michal is interesting enough; what makes it more interesting is the father's name! Edriel was none other than the husband of Merav, Michal's older sister (Shemuel I 18:19)!

Sanhedrin 19b resolves this by facts that Michal raised the children after Merav died young. Ralbag (Shemuel I 25:44) augments this by pointing out that if Michal actually was childless, she might have been given the children to raise in the absence of any children of her own
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I WILL CONTINUE WITH YOUR NEXT QUESTION





God cannot lie
Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

God Lies to Abraham

Genesis 22:1-12 1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did prove Abraham, and said unto him: 'Abraham'; and he said: 'Here am I.' 2 And He said: 'Take now thy son, thine only son, whom thou lovest, even Isaac, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt-offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.' 3 And Abraham rose early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son; and he cleaved the wood for the burnt-offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him. 4 On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off. 5 And Abraham said unto his young men: 'Abide ye here with the ass, and I and the lad will go yonder; and we will worship, and come back to you.' 6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt-offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took in his hand the fire and the knife; and they went both of them together. 7 And Isaac spoke unto Abraham his father, and said: 'My father.' And he said: 'Here am I, my son.' And he said: 'Behold the fire and the wood; but where is the lamb for a burnt-offering?' 8 And Abraham said: 'God will provide Himself the lamb for a burnt-offering, my son.' So they went both of them together. 9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built the altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. 10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. 11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said: 'Abraham, Abraham.' And he said: 'Here am I.' 12 And he said: 'Lay not thy hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him; for now I know that thou art a God-fearing man, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son, from Me.'


GOD DID NOT LIE TO ABRAHAM HE WAS GOING TO TAKE ISAAC BUT THE ANGELS PLEADED WITH HIM AND HE PROVIDED A LAMB INSTEAD. I WILL PROVE THIS

jASHER CHAPTER 23
63 And Abraham heard the words of Isaac, and he lifted up his voice and wept when Isaac spake these words; and Abraham's tears gushed down upon Isaac his son, and Isaac wept bitterly, and he said to his father, Hasten thou, O my father, and do with me the will of the Lord our God as He has commanded thee.


64 And the hearts of Abraham and Isaac rejoiced at this thing which the Lord had commanded them; but the eye wept bitterly whilst the heart rejoiced.


65 And Abraham bound his son Isaac, and placed him on the altar upon the wood, and Isaac stretched forth his neck upon the altar before his father, and Abraham stretched forth his hand to take the knife to slay his son as a burnt offering before the Lord.


66 At that time the angels of mercy came before the Lord and spake to him concerning Isaac, saying,


67 0 Lord, thou art a merciful and compassionate King over all that thou hast created in heaven and in earth, and thou supportest them all; give therefore ransom and redemption instead of thy servant Isaac, and pity and have compassion upon Abraham and Isaac his son, who are this day performing thy commands.


68 Hast thou seen, O Lord, how Isaac the son of Abraham thy servant is bound down to the slaughter like an animal? now therefore let thy pity be roused for them, O Lord.


69 At that time the Lord appeared unto Abraham, and called to him, from heaven, and said unto him, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him, for now I know that thou fearest God in performing this act, and in not withholding thy son, thine only son, from me.





God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


I WILL PROVE WHY HE SENT STRONG DELUSION "THE CAUSE"BECASUE THE MAN OF SI IS REVEALD AND PEOPLE WILLFULLY FOLLOW AFTER HIM AND NOT REPENT.THIS IS JUST BEFORE THE COMING OF MESSIAH

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.







1 Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.


I WILL JUSTIFY WHY GOD PUT A LYING SPIRIT IN THE MOUTHS OF THE PROPHETS ALSO.THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL WERE WORSHIPING IDOLS AND SACRIFICING THEIR CHILDREN AND THEN GOING BEFORE THE PROPHETS FOR COUNSEL

3 Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumblingblock of their iniquity before their face: should I be enquired of at all by them?

4 Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols;

5 That I may take the house of Israel in their own heart, because they are all estranged from me through their idols.

6 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations.

7 For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to enquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself:

8 And I will set my face against that man, and will make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the midst of my people; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.








God is Multiple entites

Genesis 1:26 26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.'

God is one entity

Deuteronomy 6:4 4 Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one.


PROOF
THE WORD GOD WAS INJECTED IN THE BIBLE THE REAL HEBREW WORD IN THAT VERSE IS ELOHIM WHICH IS THE COMBINATION OF THE FATHER THE WORD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.THREE ENTITIES THE FATHER IS GOD ALMIGHTY..THE WORD IS A SPIRIT WHICH BECAME FLESH EVENTUALLY AND IS YESHSHIYEH[jesus] AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.

GOD THE FATHER OF ALL CREATED EVERYTHING BY THE WORD AS HE SPOKE IT..THIS IS THE SAME JESUS IN THE FLESH THE WORD OF GOD

GOD IS ONE THERE IS NO OTHER GOD OR EQUAL THE SON HAS HIS ROLE THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS HER ROLE. THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR WITNESS IN HEAVEN.THE FATHER THE WORD AND THE SPIRIT








Man was created after the other animals.

Genesis 1:25,26,27 24 And God said: 'Let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after its kind.' And it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after its kind, and the cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.' 27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

Man was created before the animals.

Genesis 2:18,19

And the LORD God said: 'It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him.' 19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them; and whatsoever the man would call every living creature, that was to be the name thereof.
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I WILL DEBUNK THIS ALSO AND THEN REPENT

IF YOU LOOK AT GENESIS CHAPTER TWO YOU WILL SEE IT IS A SUMMARIZATION OF CHAPTER ONE AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PRINT THOSE SCRIPTURES TO PROVE THAT BUT I FEEL THE NEED TO


2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Heb 4:4

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.




4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

The summary starts right after the conclusion above and as follows

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.



NOW YOU HEATHENS DON'T SIT HERE AND THINK I WILL LET YOU DESTROY THE WORKS OF MY FATHER ..BECAUSE HE IS TRUE AND GRACIOUS AND KIND AND WILL NOT LIE

GHGGG
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what happen op..I debunked your accusation are you going to acknowledge
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I too found many instances in the bible that just made me question who I was planning on serving. But I've always been under the impression we choose the God we want to see by changing our perception. God is everything, we can not perceive everything therefore we must focus on certain aspects or choose our perception of God. Fortunately for me the God I know appears to be a little better then what is described. As I would have a difficult time serving someone who behaved as mentioned.

Edit: for a warning, what you project in life is what you'll be surrounded in the after. Much like thoughts, think happy thoughts and you will see things that make you happy.

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Through will of thought we control our emotions and thoughts are often no more difficult to control then we make them to be.
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Hi Anoncoward readup heartbreak I used to think like that. I even went a step further and said the God of the Bible was a brutal God.

I'm sure you've read where he ordered Joshua to kill, murder, go against one of Yahweh's own commandments, ALL the people (men, women, children) and even the animals. Yahweh even thought that was terrible thing.
Exodus 34:10-16

Got kids? I never raised any myself. Sometimes you keep your kids away from other kids and their families and entire neighborhoods. Of course, we can not go out and kill the kid we think led our kid astray but many parents feel like it. laugh Yahweh had the power, so he tried to do away with temptation, but the people got tired of killing and did like all kids do, didn't pay attention after awhile. People are crazy when it comes to kids, think of all the stupid laws passed. agumball

To take your points one at a time. The first one...

To use your examples, In 2 Samuel 21:8, read carefully...
Two sons of Rizpah (daughter of Aiah and Saul) which bared Armoni and Mephibosheth (the 2 son's names).
Five sons of Michal (daughter of Saul) whom she BROUGHT up FOR Adriel (son of Barzillai).
Note it says, Rizpah bore (birthed) her sons. Michal only RAISED 5 boys, not bore (birthed) them.

Point two... Yahweh lies to Abraham....

No he doesn't. He tells him to take his son and offer him up. Abraham did that. Yahweh never told him to "kill" him, just "offer" him up. Imagine what Abraham thought, what was he going to tell Sarah when he got home. Did he wonder about his God? About cruelty? No, he did what was asked without question. He had some kind of strong, strong faith. And because of that, he is blessed among men. His is the seed from which all Yahweh's people come. And don't think you are saved by being of his blood/DNA. Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Also Luke 3:8.

If I had that much faith, I would have believed that Yahweh was not going to take my son from me. Yahweh can raise children from stone, so he can make my son live again after I sacrifice him can't he? What's the problem? Your children are not yours anyway, to do with what you want. If you think that, you haven't looked into the USA/UN (probably all the civilized world) laws about just what you can and can not do with your child (USA.gov/corp owns you and your child) or talked to a teenager lately. Sometimes you just want to kill them. laugh

Point three... Yahweh lies by proxy...

Sorry, but as of this time, I don't really consider the books of Paul to be scripture. So we won't even consider 2 Thessalonians.

I Kings 22:23 You have taken out of context, like so many of the politicians do today, and twisted the words. But you are not the first to do that. It happens all the time. Read I Kings 22:21-23, but the entire chapter is interesting and you should read it. To break it down for you...

Yahweh's hanging out watching all the happenings going on and a spirit comes up to him and says, "I will persuade him."
Yahweh says, "Wherewith (how? What's the plan?) "
Spirit says, "I will go forth (to Ahab) and I (the spirit) will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets."
Yahweh says, "Thou (the spirit) shall persuade him (Ahad), and prevail also; go forth, and do so." (Handle it dude whistle )

Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

Wow.. Ezekiel explanation would take up an entire post. To put it simply, read the book of Job. And everywhere in the Bible, it states that Yahweh IS The ONE! He allows everything. Christians do not like to hear that Yahweh's servant, Lucifer/Satan (some say one person, some say two, ain't getting into that right now blahblah ), is given permission by Yahweh to tempt (torment) you. He does nothing without Yahweh's permission. Read the book of Job. Chapters 1-2 and Luke 22;31 says, Satan sifts you as wheat. Read the parable of the wheat and tares (weeds). Matthew 13:24-30

Point four... God is multiply entities...

Look, some typos will occur in everything manmade. And some words do not translate well and even the concept of the word doesn't translate well. As a matter of fact, when Yeshua was teaching, he was using the Old Testament. I haven't gotten around to seeing how that was put together and what books they used or didn't. Ancient, ancient times and it's over. The Bible itself has at least 2 different complete books called the Bible. One, a catholic version with the apocrypha and the other one (the one I have) without. Also, the New Testament was not put together until recently. I do not think that when Revelations says 'whomever changes anything in this book' means the 'entire' Bible either. I think it means just that one book of Revelations period. And you know what, the Watchers of the Book of Enoch or Angels as some call them, supposeably look like us and are enough like us to bred with us. And as they presented themselves as Gods, why would the ancients not say, they (plural form) instead of he/she/it (singular form)?

Before the flood some of those books are written I believe. Heck, some people believe that the Bible copies other, older ancient texts and religions.

The last one, number five...

I read a good book on that one. It wasn't about that specifically, but it was about how the different faiths of Christianity at the beginning of the church were founded. And how the Catholic faith won. It was good. Not a spiritual thing at all. The author doesn't say there is or is not a God. 'Lost Christianities' by Bart D. Ehrman

And I would say that the same applies here. You are reading two different oral histories that have came down and to make sure to be correct, they include both. Why does it matter if the animals were created before or after man? Either way, I don't see man taking care of the animals. I see man destroying the animals as fast as he can. Even Bible experts agree that the two chapters are different and are allegories.

What's amazing to me, and I did this, so am very guilty of this... But people seem to hold the Bible up to standards that they do not hold anything else up to. If people would just look at other things like they do the Bible, that oh so critical eye, the USA would not have all the laws it has as people would realize that they are not constitutional and before anyone jumps, our law is suppose to be based on that and not the 10 commandments. Not all the founding fathers were Christians. And the USA is a Republic or we used to be, we are something else nowblahblah History is always told by the winners, never the losers.blahblah
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Arguing with Christians:

It's like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good i am at chess, the pigeon is always gonna knock over the pieces, crap on the chessboard & strut around like its victorious.
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Arguing with Christians:

It's like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good i am at chess, the pigeon is always gonna knock over the pieces, crap on the chessboard & strut around like its victorious.
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Well said indeed! I wish there were more articulate & intelligence people like you posting here. I like the way you think.
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Arguing with Christians:

It's like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good i am at chess, the pigeon is always gonna knock over the pieces, crap on the chessboard & strut around like its victorious.
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This. You absolutely cannot post a rebuttal within the same realm as that which was questioned in the first place. That would be like answering a question with another question. The problem with zealous (not all) Christians is that they tend to limit their defenses by remaining in the exact same mindset as when they decided to respond to a post. Can you argue the OP's statements outside of Biblical references? Using logic or deduction? Common sense? No.
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Why is the Bible so Fucked up? For Example:
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Even the best writers need a good editor.

And the bible had many writers, not all of them good.
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I often wonder whether it is actually GOD that people worship OR is it the Bible they worship?

Defending the indefensible things that are stated in the Bible is ridiculous. I will defend GOD against such stupid teachings always!

Actually believing GOD allowed Moses to be a mass murderer, and authorized the abhorrent things that Moses did is insulting to GOD.

I have said it before and I will shout it again...

JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE WRITES "GOD SAID" IN FRONT OF SOMETHING DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE!

GOD doesn't allow ethnic cleansing, stoning, slavery, murder, infanticide or the oppression of women.

Paul was an oppressor of women and was WRONG! And MOSES was an oppressor of women and was WRONG!

Do you really believe GOD said this?

Numbers 5:16-22 (NIV) “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord."

Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water.

After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse.

Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you.

But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”—

here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.

May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”


Do you really BELIEVE that the most intelligent being ever, GOD, allowed Moses and his priests to add dust to water as a test for fidelity?

Note : But this test is only fidelity for the woman, afterall men never stray.

Surely this is absurd and insulting to GOD, isn't it?

People who would accept that any instruction like the above can't really believe in GOD.

If you truly believe GOD would tell Moses to put dust in holy water then I pity you.

ANYTHING THAT UNDERMINES THE LOVE AND OMNISCIENCE OF GOD HAS TO BE WRONG!

Why do self professing believers continually insult GOD with believing this rubbish?
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NOW YOU HEATHENS DON'T SIT HERE AND THINK I WILL LET YOU DESTROY THE WORKS OF MY FATHER ..BECAUSE HE IS TRUE AND GRACIOUS AND KIND AND WILL NOT LIE

:GHGGG:
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Amazed that you would call people heathen when you supposedly believe in GOD.

That one single word was the word used to justify the coveting and theft of lands from native people in many places throughout the world.

It was the word used to justify the killing of many innocents.

Christians used the word heathen to justify what they did knowing that they were breaking the 10 commandments.

I never thought I'd see you utter such a potty mouthed word Neim... Hang your head in shame!
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[Proverbs 21: [2] Every way of a man seemeth right to himself: but the Lord weigheth the hearts.

Numbers 14:41  
And Moses said to them: Why transgress you the word of the Lord, which shall not succeed prosperously with you?


[Isaias (Isaiah) 45: [9] Woe to him that gainsayeth his maker, a sherd of the earthen pots: shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it: What art thou making, and thy work is without hands? [10] Woe to him that saith to his father: Why begettest thou? and to the woman: Why dost thou bring forth?

[11] Thus saith the Lord the Holy One of Israel, his maker: Ask me of things to come, concerning my children, and concerning the work of my hands give ye charge to me. [12] I made the earth: and I created man upon it: my hand stretched forth the heavens, and I have commanded all their host.

[Psalms 32: [1] A psalm for David. Rejoice in the Lord, O ye just: praise becometh the upright. [2] Give praise to the Lord on the harp; sing to him with the psaltery, the instrument of ten strings. [3] Sing to him a new canticle, sing well unto him with a loud noise.

[4] For the word of the Lord is right, and all his works are done with faithfulness.
[5] He loveth mercy and judgment; the earth is full of the mercy of the Lord.

[6] By the word of the Lord the heavens were established; and all the power of them by the spirit of his mouth: [7] Gathering together the waters of the sea, as in a vessel; laying up the depths in storehouses.

[8] Let all the earth fear the Lord, and let all the inhabitants of the world be in awe of him. [9] For he spoke and they were made: he commanded and they were created.

[10] The Lord bringeth to naught the counsels of nations; and he rejecteth the devices of people, and casteth away the counsels of princes.

[11] But the counsel of the Lord standeth for ever: the thoughts of his heart to all generations. [12] Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord: the people whom he hath chosen for his inheritance.

[13] The Lord hath looked from heaven: he hath beheld all the sons of men. [14] From his habitation which he hath prepared, he hath looked upon all that dwell on the earth.

[15] He who hath made the hearts of every one of them: who understandeth all their works.
[16] The king is not saved by a great army: nor shall the giant be saved by his own great strength. [17] Vain is the horse for safety: neither shall he be saved by the abundance of his strength.

[18] Behold the eyes of the Lord are on them that fear him: and on them that hope in his mercy. [19] To deliver their souls from death; and feed them in famine. [20] Our soul waiteth for the Lord: for he is our helper and protector.
[21] For in him our heart shall rejoice: and in his holy name we have trusted. [22] Let thy mercy, O Lord, be upon us, as we have hoped in thee.

Psalm 48 [21] Man when he was in honour did not understand: he hath been compared to senseless beasts, and made like to them.

[Jeremias (Jeremiah) 5:[12] They have denied the Lord, and said, It is not he: and the evil shall not come upon us: we shall not see the sword and famine. [13] The prophets have spoken in the wind, and there was no word of God in them: these things therefore shall befall them.

[Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 5:[12] A third part of thee shall die with the pestilence, and shall be consumed with famine in the midst of thee: and a third part of thee shall fall by the sword round about thee: and a third part of thee will I scatter into every wind, and I will draw out a sword after them.

[13] And I will accomplish my fury, and will cause my indignation to rest upon them, and I will be comforted: and they shall know that I the Lord have spoken it in my zeal, when I shall have accomplished my indignation in them. [14] And I will make thee desolate, and a reproach among the nations that are round about thee, in the sight of every one that passeth by.

[15] And thou shalt be a reproach, and a scoff, an example, and an astonishment amongst the nations that are round about thee, when I shall have executed judgments in thee in anger, and in indignation, and in wrathful rebukes.


[16] I the Lord have spoken it: When I shall send upon them the grievous arrows of famine, which shall bring death, and which I will send to destroy you: and I will gather together famine against you: and I will break among you the staff of bread.

[17] And I will send in upon you famine, and evil beasts unto utter destruction: and pestilence, and blood shall pass through thee, and I will bring in the sword upon thee. I the Lord have spoken it.


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1 Chronicles 16:22 Touch not my anointed: and do no evil to my prophets.
Colossians 2:[21] Touch not, taste not, handle not:


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3 Kings (1 Kings) 18: [15] And Elias said: As the Lord of hosts liveth, before whose face I stand, this day.

Amos 3:7 For the Lord God doth nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.

BEHOLD! THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND!

Matthew 10: [34] Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.


Jeremias (Jeremiah) 25: [27] And thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts the God of Israel: Drink ye, and be drunken, and vomit: and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword, which I shall send among you.
[28] And if they refuse to take the cup at thy hand to drink, thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts: Drinking you shall drink:

Jeremias (Jeremiah) 22:[29] O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord.

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 39: [8] Behold it cometh, and it is done, saith the Lord God: this is the day whereof I have spoken.

2 Corinthians 11:31
The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is blessed for ever, knoweth that I lie not.

Matthew 26:[46] Rise, let us go: behold he is at hand that will betray me.[47] As he yet spoke, behold Judas, one of
the twelve, came.

Aggeus (Haggai) 2: [7] For thus saith the Lord of hosts: Yet one little while, and I will move the heaven and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land.

(Isaiah) 24:[3] With desolation shall the earth be laid waste, and it shall be utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.

Zacharias (Zachariah) 13:7
Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that cleaveth to me, saith the Lord of hosts: strike the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered:

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 18:32
For I desire not the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God, return ye and live.
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