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Bibletards coming down hard on the OP, they seem to be avoiding the facts he laid out, like why would a loving god kill people just because they lived in the same town as another person?
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that was old testament jew words.. they still do it today if you dont worship the god of money like them they come and f up your country like libya and iraq
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So did this NT god kill the OT god, or did this supreme infallible being decide he was wrong and change his mind showing that his perfect plan wasn't so perfect?
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Solomon had 700 wives and 300 Concubines, yet Solomon had had a prophetic word from God. He alone had received a word from the prophet that said, "You are favored of God. The Lord loves you. You are special."

David was favored by God in the bible and he stole another man's wife and THEN he had her husband murdered.

And lets not get started about the incest that is in the bible!

Then the Koran has its Pedophilia... are you guys sensing a pattern here?
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Bibletards coming down hard on the OP, they seem to be avoiding the facts he laid out, like why would a loving god kill people just because they lived in the same town as another person?
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that was old testament jew words.. they still do it today if you dont worship the god of money like them they come and f up your country like libya and iraq
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How can you reject the Old Testament without rejecting the New?

They are one package, you can't separate them without demoting Jesus to the status of a mere angry man who knew a few parlor tricks that were good enough to fool some ignorant desert dwelling savages who cut the tips of their willies off.
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It's a matter of translation, you need to look at the manuscripts and there are thousands

Also when the bible mentions son or brother it does not mean that it could also be translated as a friend or acquaintance
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Question six... what material did you research to prove your theories

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aratus wrote in 250bc about the praesaepe which is a star cluster located in the constellation of cancer. praesaepe can be loosely translated into manger. there are also two stars in the constellation of cancer which are called the northern and southern asses or donkeys. do mangers and donkeys sound familiar?
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the constellation of orion, the hunter, represents a man. the three stars that make up his belt were once referred to as the three kings. orion is generally observed in the northern hemisphere during the winter months or christmas season. the three kings that rise from the east seem to work work in conjunction with sirius a/b to point to the location on the horizon which the sun will rise. his star points to the location of his birth for he is the light...
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moses, who came from an interesting childhood, survived the murder of the first born by pharaoh, wandered in the dessert for 40 years and lead the twelve tribes.

jesus, who came from an interesting childhood, survived the murder of the first born by herod, wandered in the dessert for 40 days and lead the twelve disciples...
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I had to face the reality that we really do not have a God. Look at the world. Would a good God allow innocent children to starve or be raped? Of course not. He is not there. There is no better evidence for the non-existence of God than the non-existence of God. That probably only made sense to me...LOL I like talking to you people who aren't believers. Christians would tell us we are evil sinners, but we are just people who love others. I wish they could see that without all the judgment.
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Well said. When confronted with the reality of the book they worship, they all went silent on this site. Otherwise, practically everything else here on GLP is just a foaming-at-the-mouth rant about how great Jesus is and how the end-times are coming under the evil Anti-Christ Barack Obama, lol
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Asking God to ast before the proper time is just being stupid but it does show a point, without God those events still happen and the world is doing squat to stop it so they must be fully supportive of the actions you say you despise, what steps are you taking?

From your 'summation' you show you know nothing about the Bible so you just too lazy or is it too complicated for you.
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This has nothing to do with what steps HUMANS are taking. I am asking you what your GOD is doing? And, obviously, he is doing nothing. That is because he does not exist. Humans are sinful. We are greedy, lustful, don't like to share our wealth, etc. GOD is supposedly GOOD, can see everything at all times. ANd yet he watches while little children suffer because what???? His hands are tied. You are telling yourself these big lies to make excuses for this God you worship.

YOU, obviously, know NOTHING about the Bible but for one fact: GOD LOVES YOU. That is the only thing you can take from the Bible. You are so frightened that you may just be some silly mortal human that will die and cease to exist that you cling to this silly religion like it is some security blanket or some crutch that holds you up. Grow up. Then you will put that old book on the shelf with all the other religious novels where it belongs.
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We should pity those who are too steeped in their own ego and traditions to be open minded about the identity of the supposed "gods" they serve. It's much like somebody who has, for years, has had a big gulp of soda for lunch. It's hard for them to change, and even harder for them to tell you why they need this big gulp of soda.

Christians are some of the most cunning lying deceivers the world has ever known. They preach goodness and charity out of one side of their mouth, while denouncing you for your supposed sins out of the other. They promise a magical cure for every spiritual ailment, but first you have to believe! They pretend to charity while stealing you and knifing you in the back.

The damn thing of it is that they get so used to their lies and deceptions, that they really think they are doing good. There is so much bullcrap in the bible that they can just throw endless heaps of that garbage at you and expect it to take, but when confronted with evil as in the original post in this thread, proof of the evil in the bible, they are helpless, stunned, and all they can do is turn nasty and evil. Their true faces are revealed by the power of their own scripture!

So, pity the Christians, but don't turn your back on them. They're evil and stupid, and without any shame, but that right there is probably one of the saddest states of existence possible.
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I know what you say is true, but it is hard to pity some of them. As in my case, most of the Christians I personally know are not the Bible thumping type you find here often. They might go to church but you don't hear a word out of them about religion for the rest of the week. Most of my good friends are actually Christian. They don't care that I don't believe. I don't care if they do. We don't talk about religion because there is always something more important to talk about.

Most of them, to tell you the truth, are probably brainwashed too. I try to look past it. I know they think Jesus is real and God is looking out for them. I understand their need for it. But I would have a problem if they didn't understand my need for reality.

I have no problem thinking that when I die I will be gone forever. I like the idea of that. I know there is no hell. When I was a Christian, I used to worry about people who didn't "know the Lord." If you questioned your faith, you could go to hell where the "good Lord" would burn you up forever and ever. THAT used to keep me awake at night and started me on my truth journey.

I had to face the reality that we really do not have a God. Look at the world. Would a good God allow innocent children to starve or be raped? Of course not. He is not there. There is no better evidence for the non-existence of God than the non-existence of God. That probably only made sense to me...LOL I like talking to you people who aren't believers. Christians would tell us we are evil sinners, but we are just people who love others. I wish they could see that without all the judgment.
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I was raised as a Christian and I must admit, when I first started realizing how ridiculous it all is, my mind encountered a sort of internal block or barrier that caused me to be afraid. I could almost hear that irrational part of me saying "what if it's all true, and just by thinking these thoughts you are going to hell?"

I believe in God, but not the God of the Bible. God is nothing less than the consciousness of the universe itself, and it is so vast and timeless that it may only barely notice us. It certainly doesn't care for worship, doesn't need it, and may even be offended by it. I believe it may, upon rare occasion, intercede for us puny humans, but only for its own reasons - one of which may be sheer amusement!

The idea that Jehova, the God of the Bible, is the God of the entirety of creation is laughable. I do believe that at one time, it's possible that a powerful entity (call it an alien or whatever) did indeed scare the shit out of some desert dwelling nomads, cause them to nip the ends of their penises off and do all kinds of ridiculous shit, etc. A sort of alien blood god. To me this is quite plausible because I have seen UFOs on 2 occasions, and am pretty sure that they must have been other than manmade.

However, I think this Jehova has long ago died, gone into stasis, or left, probably with a lot (most?) of the other gods of old, all of whom I believe were real in one way or another. Aliens, supermen who perfect some mental or physical science, or just really exceptional humans who were deified by their successors. There are too many stories from too many cultures, describing too many super-beings, for it to be all just pure fantasy.
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Yes, this could be true. I have read some of those stories myself. In fact, it is said that many religions talk of sky gods who come down and impregnate human females. The Bible has the Nephilim, but the snake gods are mentioned in religions of many nations.

I don't know the answer to that myself. Maybe these aliens wrote the Bible. Maybe they were the cruel "deities" that we worship today? I prefer to believe in evolution because I think it makes a lot of sense. Fossils are laid down in the order in which the creature died. The earth is very, very old. I have no idea what is true and what is not. But I tend to believe scientists who say we got here by the process of evolution. If I ever saw a UFO, like you did, maybe I would quickly change my mind.
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I doubt aliens wrote the Bible. A bunch of scheming Jewish and greedy Roman people did.

I don't expect anybody to believe that I saw a UFO, because I knew that I didn't believe in that stuff before I saw one myself. It's the kind of thing that changes you, for sure.

But, doesn't it seem easier to swallow that the gods of old were either aliens or just really advanced supermen and women with some kind of super-science, mental or physical? I mean, compared to the hypothesis that they were just magical.
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May I leave the Christian with this question: "How do you actually know that it isn't Satan you are worshiping?"
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Not that you will find many members in the Churches of today as they often promote just the opposite.

M't:7:16:
Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Do men gather grapes of thorns,
or figs of thistles?
M't:7:17:
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit;
but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
M't:7:18:
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit,
neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
M't:7:19:
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down,
and cast into the fire.
M't:7:20:
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
 Quoting: MHz


This tells me nothing. You simply quoted some misleading Bible verses. Are you saying that we will always know a Christian by their fruit? First off, find me just ONE perfect Christian so I can know them by their fruit. I see all these Christians out there stealing, cheating on their spouses, acting just like every other person out there. So find me ONE perfect human example of a Christian so I can know them by their fruits. Good luck.
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If one Bible verse is misleading, couldn't they all be? Or are you one of those fake-ass christians that gets to decide for yourself which verses are true?

Careful, claiming that any Bible verse is misleading can get you in trouble with your fake-ass blood god.
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Bibletards coming down hard on the OP, they seem to be avoiding the facts he laid out, like why would a loving god kill people just because they lived in the same town as another person?
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that was old testament jew words.. they still do it today if you dont worship the god of money like them they come and f up your country like libya and iraq
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Lol yeah blame it all on the Jews you see this is the EXACT PROBLEM everyone is talking about - the irrational, blind, tribal-based and superstition-based bullshit. You people don't add anything important to the world. The great scientists and inventors of the world have made the most impact, while you people just hate Jews for reasons you don't even understand. Pathetic.
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Question six... what material did you research to prove your theories

Oh boy i'm just getting warmed up
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aratus wrote in 250bc about the praesaepe which is a star cluster located in the constellation of cancer. praesaepe can be loosely translated into manger. there are also two stars in the constellation of cancer which are called the northern and southern asses or donkeys. do mangers and donkeys sound familiar?
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the constellation of orion, the hunter, represents a man. the three stars that make up his belt were once referred to as the three kings. orion is generally observed in the northern hemisphere during the winter months or christmas season. the three kings that rise from the east seem to work work in conjunction with sirius a/b to point to the location on the horizon which the sun will rise. his star points to the location of his birth for he is the light...
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moses, who came from an interesting childhood, survived the murder of the first born by pharaoh, wandered in the dessert for 40 years and lead the twelve tribes.

jesus, who came from an interesting childhood, survived the murder of the first born by herod, wandered in the dessert for 40 days and lead the twelve disciples...
 Quoting: Edge Rider


They are both clearly retellings of the solar myth of the Sun (son) and the 12 months of the year. Thanks for sharing.
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First off... NLT is not the same as KJV and NIV which are the most accurate

Second if you finish reading the Bible you will see a different story through Jesus Christ...

John 8

3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11 “No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

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First off... NLT is not the same as KJV and NIV which are the most accurate

Second if you finish reading the Bible you will see a different story through Jesus Christ...

John 8

3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11 “No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

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I had to face the reality that we really do not have a God. Look at the world. Would a good God allow innocent children to starve or be raped? Of course not. He is not there. There is no better evidence for the non-existence of God than the non-existence of God. That probably only made sense to me...LOL I like talking to you people who aren't believers. Christians would tell us we are evil sinners, but we are just people who love others. I wish they could see that without all the judgment.
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Well said. When confronted with the reality of the book they worship, they all went silent on this site. Otherwise, practically everything else here on GLP is just a foaming-at-the-mouth rant about how great Jesus is and how the end-times are coming under the evil Anti-Christ Barack Obama, lol
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Asking God to ast before the proper time is just being stupid but it does show a point, without God those events still happen and the world is doing squat to stop it so they must be fully supportive of the actions you say you despise, what steps are you taking?

From your 'summation' you show you know nothing about the Bible so you just too lazy or is it too complicated for you.
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This has nothing to do with what steps HUMANS are taking. I am asking you what your GOD is doing? And, obviously, he is doing nothing. That is because he does not exist. Humans are sinful. We are greedy, lustful, don't like to share our wealth, etc. GOD is supposedly GOOD, can see everything at all times. ANd yet he watches while little children suffer because what???? His hands are tied. You are telling yourself these big lies to make excuses for this God you worship.

YOU, obviously, know NOTHING about the Bible but for one fact: GOD LOVES YOU. That is the only thing you can take from the Bible. You are so frightened that you may just be some silly mortal human that will die and cease to exist that you cling to this silly religion like it is some security blanket or some crutch that holds you up. Grow up. Then you will put that old book on the shelf with all the other religious novels where it belongs.
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If the guy or girl you are responding to thinks their god (ISH-KUR aka Jehova) loves them, they are mistaken. They clearly didn't read the original post that we are all responding to.

They'd better hope there's no hindu in their town, because as the OP quoted accurately:

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)"
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May I leave the Christian with this question: "How do you actually know that it isn't Satan you are worshiping?"
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Not that you will find many members in the Churches of today as they often promote just the opposite.

M't:7:16:
Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Do men gather grapes of thorns,
or figs of thistles?
M't:7:17:
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit;
but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
M't:7:18:
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit,
neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
M't:7:19:
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down,
and cast into the fire.
M't:7:20:
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
 Quoting: MHz


This tells me nothing. You simply quoted some misleading Bible verses. Are you saying that we will always know a Christian by their fruit? First off, find me just ONE perfect Christian so I can know them by their fruit. I see all these Christians out there stealing, cheating on their spouses, acting just like every other person out there. So find me ONE perfect human example of a Christian so I can know them by their fruits. Good luck.
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If one Bible verse is misleading, couldn't they all be? Or are you one of those fake-ass christians that gets to decide for yourself which verses are true?

Careful, claiming that any Bible verse is misleading can get you in trouble with your fake-ass blood god.
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Yeah, fuck wit, they all are. That is just the thing. I think they all are. I am an atheist so obviously you did not even read my post. So, yeah, I think that the Bible was written in a way to make sure it was all misleading so that a million different people can find a million different ways to tranlate the verses. And I don't worry about being in trouble with no gods at all. So please read the reply before you post. OKAY?
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Actually he is onto something, but the christian defense is hes using the wrong bible lol.
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Even the Jews admit the Torah is out of date, when was the last time they killed anybody and spare me the part that nobody has broken the 615 OT morality/dietary laws in the last 2,000 years.
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Malachi 3:6
King James Version (KJV)
6 For I am the Lord, I change not
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Isa:42:9:
Behold,
the former things are come to pass,
and new things do I declare:
before they spring forth I tell you of them.
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The anagram for sword is words

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hmm, that's interesting. So what does the bible say that "god" did with words or language?

"So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth."
Genesis 11:8-9

also a quick footnote here:

Genesis 11:9 That is, Babylon; Babel sounds like the Hebrew for confused.
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That's why the Bible calls it Babylon the Great , the worldwide system of false religion. Also says it will be destroyed. Will be reminiscent of destruction of Babylon by Medes and Persians. "Babylon sits on many waters"
"waters are nations, tongues, and tribes of people" "[Babylon's] waters are drying up." "She says 'I sit a queen and am no widow, I will never see loss of children"
{something I've never been told, but noticed myself, is how like the story of Jezebel this is. She had taken 'decisive action' in the valley of Jezreel, "the low plain of decision", to be evil.]
Babylonians were partying and drinking out of utensils taken from the Temple in Jerusalem, unaware that their conquerers , having diverted some of "her many waters"-canals- were wading in through the river gate, which they'd neglected to close that night.
As someone who has viewed the Bible as untruth, and now truth, I can say the truth view is a thousand times more interesting. I could go on a lot more about the above, for instance.
What you posted above is very interesting, though. Thank you.
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text directly from the Baptist Church Covenant:

We also engage to maintain family and secret devotion;
to study diligently the word of God; to religiously
educate our children
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this is call MIND PROGRAMMING

when you teach children a false doctrine
from the time they are born.

but that does make wonderful
religious and financial slaves
to an elite corp of criminals
set up to receive your servitude
and your money.

This is exactly how the Roman
Psy-Op was supposed to work
and still does today when you
pay your taxes to the IRS.
The IRS is indirectly owned
by the Vatican bankers.

You are a slave NEO.
wake the fvck up !!!
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First off... NLT is not the same as KJV and NIV which are the most accurate

Second if you finish reading the Bible you will see a different story through Jesus Christ...

John 8

3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11 “No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

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So, what you're saying is that all the doom and gloom about going to hell is fake, and this is right from the mouth of Jesus? That he won't condemn anybody even if they are sinners?

What's the point of obeying the Bible if Jesus won't even condemn an adulteress to death, like his father commanded of him?

Remember, Leviticus 20:10 says: If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.
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First off... NLT is not the same as KJV and NIV which are the most accurate

Second if you finish reading the Bible you will see a different story through Jesus Christ...

John 8

3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11 “No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

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I see a BIG problem with "go now and leave your life of sin." It is like Jesus telling us to go and sin no more. Or Jesus saying, "Be perfect, as my father in heaven is perfect." Is God perfect? Really? So why don't YOU go and try to sin NO MORE. See how that works for you.

Or Jesus tells some man that he had to sell everything he owned so that he could be a real follower of Jesus. Do you see a problem with following that command? How about Jesus telling us that if we don't believe in his blood sacrifice, we get to go to hell where we will burn forever? IS this a nice Jesus or is he somewhat like the son of God?

Or Jesus told us that many would stand before him who had done miracles in his name or cast out demons and he sends them off to hell? Sounds like it won't be a cake walk to get into heaven. How about how Jesus tells us the road is very narrow and only a few get in? Doesn't seem like the luke warm Christian will have a free ticket in this case? Jesus drove a real hard bargain. He said we have to hate our mothers, fathers, husbands, wives, ourselves, to be a REAL follower of him. Do you put Jesus first, above your family, and follow EVERY one of his commands. I didn't think so.

Did Jesus EVER say, "Hey, kiddo, just believe in my name and I will go up to heaven and build you a big palace." I don't think so. Too bad you do because you are being misled by the big box churches of today who want you to leave happy and content. So they don't talk about hell and they don't talk about sin. They could be wolves in sheep's clothing but you wouldn't know that. Now, would you?
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God continues to love you, even tho you curse His name and blaspheme Him.

But, there will be a point of no return if you continue along this path.

Please ask Him for forgiveness and turn it around before it's too late. He adores you.

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I am loving these threads, keep up the good work OP
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The anagram for sword is words

[link to wordsmith.org]

hmm, that's interesting. So what does the bible say that "god" did with words or language?

"So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth."
Genesis 11:8-9

also a quick footnote here:

Genesis 11:9 That is, Babylon; Babel sounds like the Hebrew for confused.
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That's why the Bible calls it Babylon the Great , the worldwide system of false religion. Also says it will be destroyed. Will be reminiscent of destruction of Babylon by Medes and Persians. "Babylon sits on many waters"
"waters are nations, tongues, and tribes of people" "[Babylon's] waters are drying up." "She says 'I sit a queen and am no widow, I will never see loss of children"
{something I've never been told, but noticed myself, is how like the story of Jezebel this is. She had taken 'decisive action' in the valley of Jezreel, "the low plain of decision", to be evil.]
Babylonians were partying and drinking out of utensils taken from the Temple in Jerusalem, unaware that their conquerers , having diverted some of "her many waters"-canals- were wading in through the river gate, which they'd neglected to close that night.
As someone who has viewed the Bible as untruth, and now truth, I can say the truth view is a thousand times more interesting. I could go on a lot more about the above, for instance.
What you posted above is very interesting, though. Thank you.
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I have to say, as somebody who used to think the Bible was true, but now knows that it's just a fairy story, I think that the view of reality - that it's a big bunch of myths - is far more useful and interesting.

The idea that the Hebrews were looking into the future when they said "Babylon sits on many waters" is fantasy. Babylon had the largest existing empire at the time that this was written, but it was coming under pressure and declining rapidly. The Persians and the Medes were already pressing in. That's not prophecy, it's just simple reality. I could write such a prophecy by saying something like "America is being crushed by her debt, she won't be able to sustain military occupation of so many countries in the future." It will come to pass, maybe in 5 years, maybe in 50, maybe even in 500, but it will surely come to pass.
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I love how some of the Christians on this thread are displaying the typical Christian "Agree with me or perish" routine.
Ah, that good ol' Christian love.
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aratus wrote in 250bc about the praesaepe which is a star cluster located in the constellation of cancer. praesaepe can be loosely translated into manger. there are also two stars in the constellation of cancer which are called the northern and southern asses or donkeys. do mangers and donkeys sound familiar?
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the constellation of orion, the hunter, represents a man. the three stars that make up his belt were once referred to as the three kings. orion is generally observed in the northern hemisphere during the winter months or christmas season. the three kings that rise from the east seem to work work in conjunction with sirius a/b to point to the location on the horizon which the sun will rise. his star points to the location of his birth for he is the light...
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moses, who came from an interesting childhood, survived the murder of the first born by pharaoh, wandered in the dessert for 40 years and lead the twelve tribes.

jesus, who came from an interesting childhood, survived the murder of the first born by herod, wandered in the dessert for 40 days and lead the twelve disciples...
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They are both clearly retellings of the solar myth of the Sun (son) and the 12 months of the year. Thanks for sharing.
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we can witness the death of the first born every morning as the sun rises and the other stars fade away. ancient people seemed to understand that the other lights in the sky were also suns...

i dont remember the significance of 40 other than it was used in counting days...
Row, row, row your boat...gently down the stream...merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily...life is but a dream...
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You didn't even read these verses, did you? The OP posted all the proof that you need that the "god" of the Bible is an evil creature. The idea that you can come back and say that this somehow shows that the poster "knows nothing about the Bible" proves that it's you who is lazy, and you for whom the Bible is too complicated.

I understand, though. You're afraid, you have a comfortable ass-groove in the couch of your mind, and all you know, or intend to know, you have already learned. You are lazy and ignorant, and you don't want to confront the reality - that your "god" is really a petty jealous thieving blood-god, so you do the only thing you can do. You deny, deny, deny, and cast counter-accusations. Even though, deep inside, you must know that it makes you look like an ignorant, child-like fool, a sham-artist, and a liar, you still do these things because it's easier to just accept that this is who you must be, than it is to accept the reality that your supposed "god" is actually THE GOD of the universe.

Read those verses again. Look them up in your buy-bull. Think about them. Pray, if that helps you. But be certain, that they are quoted accurately, and that this reflects the true face of your blood-god.
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Sure I did, I also know the OP pasted them from someplace else as they are not his own.

If the OP and others, like you can't figure out that Matthew covers the family history of Jospeh through his fathers compared to the family history through Mary's fathers then you aren't very bright and you should go back to comic books.
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This tells me nothing. You simply quoted some misleading Bible verses. Are you saying that we will always know a Christian by their fruit? First off, find me just ONE perfect Christian so I can know them by their fruit. I see all these Christians out there stealing, cheating on their spouses, acting just like every other person out there. So find me ONE perfect human example of a Christian so I can know them by their fruits. Good luck.
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How about this then? A sinner in a Church is classified as being 'leaven'. If the sinners is not expelled from the Church the entire congregation is treated as if they were doing the same ast as the sinner. I'm sure no Church is preaching that loud and clear every Sunday.

1Co:5:9:
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co:5:10:
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world,
or with the covetous,
or extortioners,
or with idolaters;
for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co:5:11:
But now I have written unto you not to keep company,
if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolater,
or a railer,
or a drunkard,
or an extortioner;
with such an one no not to eat.

In a real world application the RCC flock know the clergy is corrupt but no attempt is made to eliminate it, by staying in the Church they will suffer the same punishment the corrupt clergy will suffer. It's not my problem or fault that it will come as a surprise to many.
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". . . God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
(James:1:13)
"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham."
(Genesis 22:1)

". . . for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever."
(Jeremiah 3:12)
"Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever. Thus saith the Lord."
(Jeremiah 17:4)


"If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true."
(John 5:31, J.C. speaking)
"I am one that bear witness of myself . . ."
(John 8:18, J.C. speaking)

and last but not least:


"I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."
(Genesis 32:30)
"No man hath seen God at any time."
(John 1:18)
"And I [God] will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts . . ."
(Exodus 33:23)

Christian attempt to explain away such contradictions by claiming that the fault lies in the translation, and that there were no contradictions in the original text. It’s difficult to see how this could be so, given how direct many biblical contradictions are.

but even if they were right and the translation is incorrect. it would follow that every part of the Bible should be as suspect as the contradictory sections.
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". . . God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
(James:1:13)
"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham."
(Genesis 22:1)
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God did not temp Abraham to do anything 'evil' as he was stopped before any sin was committed. It was a forerunner to God sacrificing His own Son to the cross as being the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15.


". . . for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever."
(Jeremiah 3:12)
"Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever. Thus saith the Lord."
(Jeremiah 17:4)
Forever in this instant is over when the last fallen angel is in the fiery lake as in Re:20.

"If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true."
(John 5:31, J.C. speaking)
"I am one that bear witness of myself . . ."
(John 8:18, J.C. speaking)
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That is why there are 4 Gospels written by 4 different eye-witnesses, none of who are Jesus.

and last but not least:


"I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."
(Genesis 32:30)
"No man hath seen God at any time."
(John 1:18)
"And I [God] will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts . . ."
(Exodus 33:23)
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That is like a sit-down conversation where interaction to sentences is a trait of the conversation. After all there is no description of what God looks like in that passage, wrestling with somebody in the dark is the way the story goes.

Christian attempt to explain away such contradictions by claiming that the fault lies in the translation, and that there were no contradictions in the original text. It’s difficult to see how this could be so, given how direct many biblical contradictions are.

but even if they were right and the translation is incorrect. it would follow that every part of the Bible should be as suspect as the contradictory sections.
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Let's go with the Bible being letter perfect and any errors in the oral Torah was 'repaired' by Daniel and his 3 friends in Babylon and that the NT was written down from the beginning so the early editions were correct but later Bibles are corrupt as they intentionally made changes so they could make money selling 'the new book'.
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This tells me nothing. You simply quoted some misleading Bible verses. Are you saying that we will always know a Christian by their fruit? First off, find me just ONE perfect Christian so I can know them by their fruit. I see all these Christians out there stealing, cheating on their spouses, acting just like every other person out there. So find me ONE perfect human example of a Christian so I can know them by their fruits. Good luck.
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How about this then? A sinner in a Church is classified as being 'leaven'. If the sinners is not expelled from the Church the entire congregation is treated as if they were doing the same ast as the sinner. I'm sure no Church is preaching that loud and clear every Sunday.

1Co:5:9:
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co:5:10:
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world,
or with the covetous,
or extortioners,
or with idolaters;
for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co:5:11:
But now I have written unto you not to keep company,
if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolater,
or a railer,
or a drunkard,
or an extortioner;
with such an one no not to eat.

In a real world application the RCC flock know the clergy is corrupt but no attempt is made to eliminate it, by staying in the Church they will suffer the same punishment the corrupt clergy will suffer. It's not my problem or fault that it will come as a surprise to many.
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Hey brother what you doing in that mess lisa provoked.Just leave it alone she invited that and the father is letting happen to humble them.The guy asked some questions on another thread and she jumped in not prepared and started her insults.

I answered all the questions in green for him SO he left and started another thread on the sme issue.Lisa lisa followed him over again and this started a landslide of athiest and unbelievers to comment.

My advice is leave it alone they will all learn

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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These were your questions op -"Why is the Bible so Fucked up? For Example:"

Michal had no child

2 Samuel 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

Michal had five children

2 Samuel 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:


ANSWER TO YOUR FIRST DISCREPRENCY
The mention of five sons of Michal is interesting enough; what makes it more interesting is the father's name! Edriel was none other than the husband of Merav, Michal's older sister (Shemuel I 18:19)!

Sanhedrin 19b resolves this by facts that Michal raised the children after Merav died young. Ralbag (Shemuel I 25:44) augments this by pointing out that if Michal actually was childless, she might have been given the children to raise in the absence of any children of her own
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I WILL CONTINUE WITH YOUR NEXT QUESTION





God cannot lie
Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

God Lies to Abraham

Genesis 22:1-12 1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did prove Abraham, and said unto him: 'Abraham'; and he said: 'Here am I.' 2 And He said: 'Take now thy son, thine only son, whom thou lovest, even Isaac, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt-offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.' 3 And Abraham rose early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son; and he cleaved the wood for the burnt-offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him. 4 On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off. 5 And Abraham said unto his young men: 'Abide ye here with the ass, and I and the lad will go yonder; and we will worship, and come back to you.' 6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt-offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took in his hand the fire and the knife; and they went both of them together. 7 And Isaac spoke unto Abraham his father, and said: 'My father.' And he said: 'Here am I, my son.' And he said: 'Behold the fire and the wood; but where is the lamb for a burnt-offering?' 8 And Abraham said: 'God will provide Himself the lamb for a burnt-offering, my son.' So they went both of them together. 9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built the altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. 10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. 11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said: 'Abraham, Abraham.' And he said: 'Here am I.' 12 And he said: 'Lay not thy hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him; for now I know that thou art a God-fearing man, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son, from Me.'


GOD DID NOT LIE TO ABRAHAM HE WAS GOING TO TAKE ISAAC BUT THE ANGELS PLEADED WITH HIM AND HE PROVIDED A LAMB INSTEAD. I WILL PROVE THIS

jASHER CHAPTER 23
63 And Abraham heard the words of Isaac, and he lifted up his voice and wept when Isaac spake these words; and Abraham's tears gushed down upon Isaac his son, and Isaac wept bitterly, and he said to his father, Hasten thou, O my father, and do with me the will of the Lord our God as He has commanded thee.


64 And the hearts of Abraham and Isaac rejoiced at this thing which the Lord had commanded them; but the eye wept bitterly whilst the heart rejoiced.


65 And Abraham bound his son Isaac, and placed him on the altar upon the wood, and Isaac stretched forth his neck upon the altar before his father, and Abraham stretched forth his hand to take the knife to slay his son as a burnt offering before the Lord.


66 At that time the angels of mercy came before the Lord and spake to him concerning Isaac, saying,


67 0 Lord, thou art a merciful and compassionate King over all that thou hast created in heaven and in earth, and thou supportest them all; give therefore ransom and redemption instead of thy servant Isaac, and pity and have compassion upon Abraham and Isaac his son, who are this day performing thy commands.


68 Hast thou seen, O Lord, how Isaac the son of Abraham thy servant is bound down to the slaughter like an animal? now therefore let thy pity be roused for them, O Lord.


69 At that time the Lord appeared unto Abraham, and called to him, from heaven, and said unto him, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him, for now I know that thou fearest God in performing this act, and in not withholding thy son, thine only son, from me.





God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


I WILL PROVE WHY HE SENT STRONG DELUSION "THE CAUSE"BECASUE THE MAN OF SI IS REVEALD AND PEOPLE WILLFULLY FOLLOW AFTER HIM AND NOT REPENT.THIS IS JUST BEFORE THE COMING OF MESSIAH

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.







1 Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.


I WILL JUSTIFY WHY GOD PUT A LYING SPIRIT IN THE MOUTHS OF THE PROPHETS ALSO.THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL WERE WORSHIPING IDOLS AND SACRIFICING THEIR CHILDREN AND THEN GOING BEFORE THE PROPHETS FOR COUNSEL

3 Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumblingblock of their iniquity before their face: should I be enquired of at all by them?

4 Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols;

5 That I may take the house of Israel in their own heart, because they are all estranged from me through their idols.

6 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations.

7 For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to enquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself:

8 And I will set my face against that man, and will make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the midst of my people; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.








God is Multiple entites

Genesis 1:26 26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.'

God is one entity

Deuteronomy 6:4 4 Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one.


PROOF
THE WORD GOD WAS INJECTED IN THE BIBLE THE REAL HEBREW WORD IN THAT VERSE IS ELOHIM WHICH IS THE COMBINATION OF THE FATHER THE WORD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.THREE ENTITIES THE FATHER IS GOD ALMIGHTY..THE WORD IS A SPIRIT WHICH BECAME FLESH EVENTUALLY AND IS YESHSHIYEH[jesus] AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.

GOD THE FATHER OF ALL CREATED EVERYTHING BY THE WORD AS HE SPOKE IT..THIS IS THE SAME JESUS IN THE FLESH THE WORD OF GOD

GOD IS ONE THERE IS NO OTHER GOD OR EQUAL THE SON HAS HIS ROLE THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS HER ROLE. THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR WITNESS IN HEAVEN.THE FATHER THE WORD AND THE SPIRIT








Man was created after the other animals.

Genesis 1:25,26,27 24 And God said: 'Let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after its kind.' And it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after its kind, and the cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.' 27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

Man was created before the animals.

Genesis 2:18,19

And the LORD God said: 'It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him.' 19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them; and whatsoever the man would call every living creature, that was to be the name thereof.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


I WILL DEBUNK THIS ALSO AND THEN REPENT

IF YOU LOOK AT GENESIS CHAPTER TWO YOU WILL SEE IT IS A SUMMARIZATION OF CHAPTER ONE AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PRINT THOSE SCRIPTURES TO PROVE THAT BUT I FEEL THE NEED TO


2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Heb 4:4

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.




4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

The summary starts right after the conclusion above and as follows

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


all questions answered
GHGGG
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op you asked for answers in the other thread and i gave it .You ran off and started this one.At least be man and acknowledge that you do not understand and you were wrong


THIS^^^
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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