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So my fiance has a black male cat that is about 4 years old, we can never consistently get him to use the litter box and he pukes all over the house several times a week.

This has been going on for pretty much his whole adult life and we have tried everything. He's been to the vet a few times for these issues and has been given medication, didnt work. Tried every type of food suggested, didnt work. Elevated food and water dishes, didnt work. Slowed down the speed at which he eats, didnt work. Put out several little boxes, didnt work. Tried the confinement routine on litter box traning, didnt work. If it is in a book we've tried it.


Help me out GLP!
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I've had cats for more than 30 years--so I've had
a little experience. Hope this helps:
You don't mention if you have other pets--like dogs
or multiple cat household? Sometimes over-crowding
where each cat doesn't feel he has control of his
own area can contribute to both of these things--
vets call it a STRESS reaction.
There are home atomizers you can purchase that can
dispense a pheramone that calms a cat--that might be
a solution, but not long-term.
Every cat is different, like people, they have their
own quirks. You guy sounds especially sensitive--you
just have to figure out where his stress is coming from.
If you are near the LA sinkhole or an active earthquake
area, the cause may be methane gas or vibration.
That's all I have. My sympathies as this can be very
upsetting to your household. Don't give up--you'll figure
it out!
Good luck!
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I've had cats for more than 30 years--so I've had
a little experience. Hope this helps:
You don't mention if you have other pets--like dogs
or multiple cat household? Sometimes over-crowding
where each cat doesn't feel he has control of his
own area can contribute to both of these things--
vets call it a STRESS reaction.
There are home atomizers you can purchase that can
dispense a pheramone that calms a cat--that might be
a solution, but not long-term.
Every cat is different, like people, they have their
own quirks. You guy sounds especially sensitive--you
just have to figure out where his stress is coming from.
If you are near the LA sinkhole or an active earthquake
area, the cause may be methane gas or vibration.
That's all I have. My sympathies as this can be very
upsetting to your household. Don't give up--you'll figure
it out!
Good luck!
SK

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we have 2 cats and one dog. the dog was introduced as a puppy about 2 years ago but all of these issues were present before then.
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Surely this cat has been neutered, right?

A male cat is almost impossible to prevent marking unless he is "fixed".

Does he have long hair? If so, frequent brushing is a big help in preventing the 'hair balls' that cause vomiting.

Male cats can be so loving and bonded with their owner. They can also feel left out if ignored and not included in cuddling. Refusing the use a clean litter box is a symptom of something that you haven't recognized as of yet.

Keep looking for an answer, or purchase a large cat cage with different levels and keep him there when you are not able to supervise his activities. It's not as cruel as some think. It could contribute calm to your household and also for the animal itself.

Good luck. I love pets of all kinds, and some have special needs where others don't.



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Was the cat declawed? If so, the litter that you use could be hurting his paws and you need a finer litter.
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These web sites also deal with pet issues:

www.curezone.com

www.earthclinic.com

My thought is to get some good probiotics for him; whatever his problem is has messed up his digestive system. Keep looking for answers.

For calming him, pet stores sell natural herbal stuff to put in drinking water.

Also check out this site--you can play samples on your computer and set it to replay if you don't want to buy it.

www.musicbymarcey.com

The CD "Inward Harmony" from this site is great for calming my animals. They love it and always come to the same room where it is playing and lie down for a nap.

Try a different vet! Some of them are great and some aren't worth crap.

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Is it urine or feces that ends up on the floor and not in the litter box? Is the same space(s) tend to be used over and over or does he seek out fresh, un-dirtied spots?

If he urinates out of the box, are you sure it's always urine or is it spray? Is he fixed? If so, were his nuts nicked before or after he began spraying territory?

Do you allow him food available whenever he needs it? I've had to advise many cat owners in the past that this is not something you can do with all kitties - especially males it seems. Girly cats seem to manage OK with the 'never-ending' food bowl. Guess one could say in the feline world, it is the boys who are predisposed to binging and purging.

But I suppose a structured, limited feeding schedule would be ones of those things in a book that you've tried.

Need lots more info to be able to help, though.
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Surely this cat has been neutered, right?

A male cat is almost impossible to prevent marking unless he is "fixed".

Does he have long hair? If so, frequent brushing is a big help in preventing the 'hair balls' that cause vomiting.

Male cats can be so loving and bonded with their owner. They can also feel left out if ignored and not included in cuddling. Refusing the use a clean litter box is a symptom of something that you haven't recognized as of yet.

Keep looking for an answer, or purchase a large cat cage with different levels and keep him there when you are not able to supervise his activities. It's not as cruel as some think. It could contribute calm to your household and also for the animal itself.

Good luck. I love pets of all kinds, and some have special needs where others don't.

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yes he is neutered and isnt a long hair cat. the puking isnt hair balls. he does that as a cat normally would. the puking is him vomiting back up his food.
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Was the cat declawed? If so, the litter that you use could be hurting his paws and you need a finer litter.
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front claws were declawed. we have tried multiple brands and types of litter
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Was the cat declawed? If so, the litter that you use could be hurting his paws and you need a finer litter.
 Quoting: Melton Mowbray


Declawing of a cat gives them emotional grounds to make your life a living hell for as long as they live.

If you were a cat and the person who took you in decided to cut off all of your fingers from the first knuckle to the tip, nail and all - because you were being nice and keeping your claws trimmed on the material shit around the house to avoid putting marks in living flesh while you knead and love your keepers - you might be upset for a long time too.
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Okay well two words:


Outside cat.
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Is it urine or feces that ends up on the floor and not in the litter box? Is the same space(s) tend to be used over and over or does he seek out fresh, un-dirtied spots?

If he urinates out of the box, are you sure it's always urine or is it spray? Is he fixed? If so, were his nuts nicked before or after he began spraying territory?

Do you allow him food available whenever he needs it? I've had to advise many cat owners in the past that this is not something you can do with all kitties - especially males it seems. Girly cats seem to manage OK with the 'never-ending' food bowl. Guess one could say in the feline world, it is the boys who are predisposed to binging and purging.

But I suppose a structured, limited feeding schedule would be ones of those things in a book that you've tried.

Need lots more info to be able to help, though.
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urine and feces outside of the litter box and generally in the same areas but not always. he was neutered as a kitten.

we've attemped food being available all day and set feeding times, neither seemed to make a difference.
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Was the cat declawed? If so, the litter that you use could be hurting his paws and you need a finer litter.
 Quoting: Melton Mowbray


front claws were declawed. we have tried multiple brands and types of litter
 Quoting: Oyster


Try a paper shredder and a newspaper subscription.

Cheaper than litter, too.
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Okay well two words:


Outside cat.
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i would LOVE to do that if i could.

we live in a town house (no outside pets allowed) and he is partially declawed so it isnt really an option. if i was a single man and this was MY cat i would have put him out a long time ago.
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Okay well two words:


Outside cat.
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I have two different words:

Shoot it :)
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This is a case for Jackson Galaxy.
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Okay well two words:


Outside cat.
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I have two different words:

Shoot it :)
 Quoting: BRIEF


my grandad would have put him in his cat graveyard a long time ago. that dude hated a cat.
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you would think that with all his vomiting he would be thin but he is actually a pretty fat cat. he even has this fatty sack that hangs below his belly.
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Okay well two words:


Outside cat.
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I have two different words:

Shoot it :)
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Try giving lactose free milk with dry food.

Helps with the digestion. Also, some cooked chicken is nice to feed. It's greasy enough to help stuff pass.

None of my cats have a vomiting problem.

Sure, lactose free milk isn't cheap but neither is most quality cat food or vet visits.

Try the milk, it works.


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Was the cat declawed? If so, the litter that you use could be hurting his paws and you need a finer litter.
 Quoting: Melton Mowbray


front claws were declawed. we have tried multiple brands and types of litter
 Quoting: Oyster


Swheat Scoop Natural was the one we always had the most luck with when we were fostering cats for the Humane Society. Its very soft. Its also wheat, which is why we no longer use it.

Feliway can really help. Valium?

Oh crap, I just read about the "fat sack". Let me go find the FIP video...there is fat, and there is third spacing fluid, FIP is very difficult to dx...



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Do you have a pic of said cat? Esp. the belly section?

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Was the cat declawed? If so, the litter that you use could be hurting his paws and you need a finer litter.
 Quoting: Melton Mowbray


front claws were declawed. we have tried multiple brands and types of litter
 Quoting: Oyster


Swheat Scoop Natural was the one we always had the most luck with when we were fostering cats for the Humane Society. Its very soft. Its also wheat, which is why we no longer use it.

Feliway can really help. Valium?
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


we have done valium and it seemed to help for a while
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So my fiance has a black male cat that is about 4 years old, we can never consistently get him to use the litter box and he pukes all over the house several times a week.

This has been going on for pretty much his whole adult life and we have tried everything. He's been to the vet a few times for these issues and has been given medication, didnt work. Tried every type of food suggested, didnt work. Elevated food and water dishes, didnt work. Slowed down the speed at which he eats, didnt work. Put out several little boxes, didnt work. Tried the confinement routine on litter box traning, didnt work. If it is in a book we've tried it.


Help me out GLP!
 Quoting: Oyster


Have you checked him for urinary/kidney stones or infection?
Tumors?
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So my fiance has a black male cat that is about 4 years old, we can never consistently get him to use the litter box and he pukes all over the house several times a week.

This has been going on for pretty much his whole adult life and we have tried everything. He's been to the vet a few times for these issues and has been given medication, didnt work. Tried every type of food suggested, didnt work. Elevated food and water dishes, didnt work. Slowed down the speed at which he eats, didnt work. Put out several little boxes, didnt work. Tried the confinement routine on litter box traning, didnt work. If it is in a book we've tried it.


Help me out GLP!
 Quoting: Oyster


Have you checked him for urinary/kidney stones or infection?
Tumors?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18980210


everything but the tumors. and that idea crossed my mind
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If he tend to have accident in the same area, first you could put a litter box in that area. maybe he wants that as his area.

If that is not what you choose to do, you can put down moth ball flakes under a rug in that area. Cats do not like the smell of moth balls and will avoid that area at all costs.

BTW, I'm sure you've been told this, but no canned cat food what so ever. Males are prone to UTI's and this could be part of the problem.
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Op, is he not using the littler box at all. or is he using the box and then scratching or flinging out the dirty litter?
mine did the latter. hated a dirty littler box, so he threw the stuff out of the box.
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You may want to try a Super Premium food and not Science Diet or other crap that the vet may sell or recommend. Blue Buffalo or something similar that isn't GMO grain based-The food is pricey however, the cats will digest it more efficiently and their stools will become firm and smaller-more food is being digested than passed and it is real food not grain and grain by products.

My 10 year old rescue has never used the litter box to poo only to urinate. Tried EVERYTHING. Finally decided that since she was abandoned young, maybe she was never taught how by her mom. Our happy compromise is that she gets a large plastic box (like a rubbermaid box for under the bed ) with a puppy pad in it. I did use shredded newsprint for a time and that also worked, I just didn't like the mess.

Good luck with your kitty!
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Surely this cat has been neutered, right?

A male cat is almost impossible to prevent marking unless he is "fixed".

Does he have long hair? If so, frequent brushing is a big help in preventing the 'hair balls' that cause vomiting.

Male cats can be so loving and bonded with their owner. They can also feel left out if ignored and not included in cuddling. Refusing the use a clean litter box is a symptom of something that you haven't recognized as of yet.

Keep looking for an answer, or purchase a large cat cage with different levels and keep him there when you are not able to supervise his activities. It's not as cruel as some think. It could contribute calm to your household and also for the animal itself.

Good luck. I love pets of all kinds, and some have special needs where others don't.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4545733


yes he is neutered and isnt a long hair cat. the puking isnt hair balls. he does that as a cat normally would. the puking is him vomiting back up his food.
 Quoting: Oyster


Regarding the vomiting, are you feeding him strictly just DRY CAT FOOD ?
I had the same problem with my cat, also shitting outside his litterbox too.

As soon as we switched him over to nothing but cans of wet food the problems stopped %100. Our basement carpet is still covered in orange puke stains, but theres no more new surprises to find anymore. If DRY CAT FOOD is the case, you need to remember cats have sharp teeth because they are meat eaters. They absorb a lot of water and hydration from wet food. DRY CAT FOOD is extremely starchy and builds up in the digestive system.
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You could try the Chinese approach and throw it under the wheels of a car...
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