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how do you break the illusion machine?

 
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02/05/2013 01:16 PM
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You clearly don't understand.

Our entire life is an interpretation of our senses and fields.

There is no truth to us on a personal level as it's all interpreted through biased senses.

But, you keep thinking you're so smrt!
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but there is TRUTH!
 Quoting: Daniel of the Rose


Name one truth you KNOW to be true
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Stupidity kills
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You're an idiot.
Stupidity is subjective and therefore isn't truth!

What a dumbass (in my mind)
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but there is TRUTH!
 Quoting: Daniel of the Rose


Name one truth you KNOW to be true
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Stupidity kills
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22301087

You're an idiot.
Stupidity is subjective and therefore isn't truth!

What a dumbass (in my mind)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


P.S. the number 1 cause of death is life.
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Is this your statement true or just another illusion, of yours.iamwith
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You clearly don't understand.

Our entire life is an interpretation of our senses and fields.

There is no truth to us on a personal level as it's all interpreted through biased senses.

But, you keep thinking you're so smrt!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


More than you, definitelly. I was not speaking of the absolute truth, for now. There are relative ones besides = true ones until disproved. One truth more true than the other aso. Learn logical thinking first.
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Grow a brain first.

There are no truths!
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But that's not what we interpet is it? What kind of mind numbing are you trying to do?

What we interpret is what we go by. "knowing" how that works doesn't make everything we see false you twit. You are simply discussing the same thing. Break it down it is our interpretation. But we all interpret on the same playing field just slightly different glasses.

ya dig? ;) This is reality folks. The rules bend. Where have you been?



You fix yourself first O.P

Start with arny. ;) Don't listen to him as a suit. But this is one of the greatest speaches ever. And it can help you on the path to finding yourself.





Start from the ground up. Shave away all your lifes conditioning until you are transparent and pure. Then you are ready to face this world with a pure light.

Use the system to your advantage. Its fake. But its easier than picking up a sword and trying to cut a dudes head off.

amirite?

yaaay knowledge and perspective is funnn.


We can all do it, I know it. Just gonna be fuckin hard.
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02/05/2013 01:25 PM
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If you are busy making the determination "true" or "false", you are too busy doing things to be breaking any illusion machine.

The various teachings say to not make any interpretations at all, as doing so is adding a layer of conceptualization on top of the raw experience. That is where that "ignorance is bliss" saying came from, I suspect.
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Name one truth you KNOW to be true
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Stupidity kills
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You're an idiot.
Stupidity is subjective and therefore isn't truth!

What a dumbass (in my mind)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


P.S. the number 1 cause of death is life.
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Trite.

But in fact stupidity kills. That is the root behind the theory of evolution. Those that do not recognize a threat of fail to execute a proper response die. Their fate prevents their DNA from further deterioration of the gene pool.

In your own world, people step into to traffic without looking, fail to wear a seat belt while driving, eat crap food, inject heroin into their veins, drink the koolaid, climb into tiger cages, believe that they can commune with grizzlies, think that the police will protect then from armed intruders, talk shit to the crazies .....shall I go on?
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If you are busy making the determination "true" or "false", you are too busy doing things to be breaking any illusion machine.

The various teachings say to not make any interpretations at all, as doing so is adding a layer of conceptualization on top of the raw experience. That is where that "ignorance is bliss" saying came from, I suspect.
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Ignorance is bliss..
in a fairy tale that works. But we live in a real world where its corrupt as all hell.

Accepting this challenge called life means physically and mentaly.

Do not go through life a mindless drone feeling self enlightenment. THRIVE TO UNDERSTAND. QUESTION. DOUBT. ASK. REPEAT!. Things are not what they seem. No signal from god is going to come into your head and show you the light.

If you don't try and learn, and understand these things..well that is your eternal choice to make. Neither right or wrong.

This fact is especially depressing if you haven't found the light and are facing death.

Hence the soul trap, and the repeat. People just don't know.

Can't walk without crawling.

And none of you have even been born yet.
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Stupidity kills
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You're an idiot.
Stupidity is subjective and therefore isn't truth!

What a dumbass (in my mind)


P.S. the number 1 cause of death is life.


Trite.

But in fact stupidity kills. That is the r
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nd the theory of evolution. Those that do not r
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a threat of fail to execute a proper response die. Their fate prevents their DNA from further deterioration of the gene pool.

In your own world, people step into to traffic without looking, fail to wear a seat belt while driving, eat crap food, inject heroin into their veins, drink the koolaid, climb into tiger cages, believe that they can commune with grizzlies, think that the police will protect then from armed intruders, talk shit to the crazies .....shall I go on?


The joke is on you, more than your words can make up for.
You are more than adequate in language, however
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k application and true understanding. Your convictions are your downfall.

But fuck me right?
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well I fucked that one up. Throw "lack" in there somewhere. I'm sure you got it.
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Ignorance is bliss..
in a fairy tale that works. But we live in a real world where its corrupt as all hell.

Accepting this challenge called life means physically and mentaly.

Do not go through life a mindless drone feeling self enlightenment.
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You don't understand. It's not about being a brainless drone, it's about clearing away all of the useless interpretation garbage so as to have a pure direct experience of reality, in order to properly deal with any and all situations calmly and intelligently.

Dealing with things as they really are, directly, without the usual delusions we humans have.

There's a reason them samurai, for example, all followed that path!
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Breathe. Love. They are the only things that are real. The rest are illusions.
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well I fucked that one up. Throw "lack" in there somewhere. I'm sure you got it.
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No sweat. Your fingers are merely moving too fast.

You are a human and cannot comprehend truth any more than you can comprehend the universe or God. Tho think that you can, merely limits the magnitude of both.

Truth is what we experience, either physically or mentally. However, we are limited, so we cannot know the extent of God, or of truth. The closest that we will come is this.

"Anything that can be ...is.
Anything that cannot be ....is.
Everything is true."

These are not contradictions, they are mutually supporting statements.
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It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they've been fooled.
Overstand, this isn't a sermon from the hill, but a 'Trespassers Will Be Shot' Sign.
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It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they've been fooled.
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Now there is a truth!
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Re: how do you break the illusion machine?
Ignorance is bliss..
in a fairy tale that works. But we live in a real world where its corrupt as all hell.

Accepting this challenge called life means physically and mentaly.

Do not go through life a mindless drone feeling self enlightenment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17693691


You don't understand. It's not about being a brainless drone, it's about clearing away all of the useless interpretation garbage so as to have a pure direct experience of reality, in order to properly deal with any and all situations calmly and intelligently.

Dealing with things as they really are, directly, without the usual delusions we humans have.

There's a reason them samurai, for example, all followed that path!
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I understand now, I apologize for any misunderstanding. I believe we can find common ground. That is the demeanor one should strive for and for the mind who lacks focus, this approach is suited.


However the mind is free, at which to make a criteria for what is useless interpretation and what isn't is difficult. We do not know the mind, we should not close its doors. Your ways draw lines. The greatest thoughts come from the strangest places. Open your mind. Tame it. Do not shut it out.

What I'm getting at is If you want to live the life of a samurai, this isn't the time for you. We are nothing like them. We have an opportunity to reach for the stars with a grand amount of knowledge at our fingertips. The ability to be living what sammurai believed was impossible. This is my point. There is no useless interpretation. There is simply a lack of understanding. Once something is understood competantly enough, it is no longer a burden. It is now, knowledge. With executed practice that may become wisdom to share with future generations. No longer is it the time to live and learn how to react. We have matured past that. We know what to do, we simply chose to do it wrong. This path must be corrected.

To exist, is not my purpose. I push. If we fail, we fall.

If we exceed.. My friend if only I could explain.

We are capable of doing both. Live with a direct experience, but understand we have the power to change the world now. Weather you are ready or not this is the fact.

It's changing, and if we don't effect this change, This thing called earth won't have humans on it forever.

Proactive with ourselves, and eachother.

One love.
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It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they've been fooled.
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Indeed so, and that problem is another reason why "clearing away all of the useless interpretation garbage" is a good thing, because not only do people influence us in that way, but also things and events.

The advertisement and politics industries are built around abusing that flaw in humans!
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To exist, is not my purpose. I push. If we fail, we fall.

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Oh the ultimate purpose is not to just exist, either, but where you go from the point of pure clarity is up to you, either focusing on the physical world and binding yourself to it and some purpose.. or focusing on.. well i could say outside of the physical world, but that concept doesn't even apply anymore at that point
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Re: how do you break the illusion machine?
Break down the illusion of duality, it's easy.

Everything is nothing, and nothing is everything.

See, black is white and white is black, the source is playing both sides of the coin in the Christian GOD Devil philosophy....control doctrine, it makes you BELIEVE in duality...it's bullshit.

Believe in nothing, as to 'believe' in anything is to be forever one step removed from the truth, you've gotta know it
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well I fucked that one up. Throw "lack" in there somewhere. I'm sure you got it.
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No sweat. Your fingers are merely moving too fast.

You are a human and cannot comprehend truth any more than you can comprehend the universe or God. Tho think that you can, merely limits the magnitude of both.

Truth is what we experience, either physically or mentally. However, we are limited, so we cannot know the extent of God, or of truth. The closest that we will come is this.

"Anything that can be ...is.
Anything that cannot be ....is.
Everything is true."

These are not contradictions, they are mutually supporting statements.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22301087


Your logic isn't flawed. Though you are restricted by the language you have been brought up to learn and the ideals that fit inside that language.

The understanding I speak of is beyond this. What you read is many trying to put this to words.

I never mentioned god. You did. And my understanding of him is reflective of the relationship I have with the people I am communicating with. To imply a "god" has his own universe as in space that I try to comprehend, is of course, foolish. But you knew that and I knew that.

Truth, is a relative term but I will not play semantics.

You are arguing the equation, not the truth.

I question your motive and validity. Although I'm sure you are just confused.

Let go of the absolutes. Yes a building has a frame, and a way it was built, and a way the chimney works. But its the moments inside the house, and everything but how it was made, that makes it a home.

Your mutually supporting statements prove nothing other than the formula used to invent language, indeed works.

Are you a robot? :)
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To exist, is not my purpose. I push. If we fail, we fall.

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Oh the ultimate purpose is not to just exist, either, but where you go from the point of pure clarity is up to you, either focusing on the physical world and binding yourself to it and some purpose.. or focusing on.. well i could say outside of the physical world, but that concept doesn't even apply anymore at that point
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You can't ignore the physical. What you put into your body effects your temple. You must treat the kingdom inside, as a temple, to find the christ in yourself ( not the misunderstood dude) that will lead your mind like a pyramid, to the stairway to greater knowledge and beyond. Depicted to and related to the sky. Which relates to most because when you look up at the sky or beautiful scenery, you feel a connection.

The collective.

Your physical body is no more trapped than your mind.

Do you really think that's air you're breathing? ;)



Now we are getting somewhere my friend
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Wait till you face the fire. Your body don't mean shit.

Btw, don't run. Trial by fire. Means your taking the right steps.
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Re: how do you break the illusion machine?
Break down the illusion of duality, it's easy.

Everything is nothing, and nothing is everything.

See, black is white and white is black, the source is playing both sides of the coin in the Christian GOD Devil philosophy....control doctrine, it makes you BELIEVE in duality...it's bullshit.

Believe in nothing, as to 'believe' in anything is to be forever one step removed from the truth, you've gotta know it
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And because we are all learning...

Holy shit.

You made this song resonate when I read that. I heard this song years ago before I died and never understood it.

Thankyou friend. :)

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