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Toyota and Nissan Shift From Electric Vehicles; Death Knell for Chevy Volt?

 
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This is a PsyOp to keep all you sheeple sucking up the oil that supports the American Petrodollar. Last time I looked there is no Electrodollar.

You fools believe anyrything.

The technology is out there to replace the batteries with highly efficient Super Capacitors that can charge within minutes with no degredation from charging a million times.

Open your eyes folks and dont be so gullable !
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Oh yes, there is! The nuclear lobby is attacking in force again.
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People forget this: how exactly are you going to produce all the electricity needed to charge all those would-be electric cars?
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02/05/2013 03:02 PM
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Retrofit all current cars with this technology and we're all good..
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People forget this: how exactly are you going to produce all the electricity needed to charge all those would-be electric cars?
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How dare you ask that!

Electricity will come from solar panels and unicorn-powered treadmills. Duh!

:fuckscience:
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lmao
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just like the "who killed the electric car" same deal here.

you can't progress from nothing
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People forget this: how exactly are you going to produce all the electricity needed to charge all those would-be electric cars?
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How dare you ask that!

Electricity will come from solar panels and unicorn-powered treadmills. Duh!

:fuckscience:
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are you John D. Rockefellers' great grandson ?
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"According to Toyota Vice Chairman Takeshi Uchiyamada, "Because of its shortcomings - driving range, cost and recharging time - the electric vehicle is not a viable replacement for most conventional cars; we need something entirely new." Uchiyamada is considered the "father of the Prius."

An article by Reuter's exposes the limitations of EVs and focuses on Toyota's, along with Nissan's, change in strategy, which is now moving away from EVs. Even the most ideological and extreme green energy proponents and backers of the Chevy Volt will have to open their eyes to the sad truth uncovered by the latest report."

[link to nlpc.org]

lol, and didn't the obama administration spend millions of taxpayer dollars to promote gm and the chevy volt?
 Quoting: davvi


Your headline is deceptive. Toyota will continue to offer plug-in hybrids and is in fact expanding them for the 2014 model year.

The Nissan Leaf is too expensive, but it was designed as a cash cow because aging hippies and feel-good city dwellers who probably don't need a car anyway have too much money and not enough sense.
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Great somebody talking sense about saving the environment and how electricity is not the way to go for vehicles!

People that purchase electric vehicles are not told that the batteries do not last forever and will need to be replaced. The costs can be from $5000 to $7000 depending on the vehicle. I am not happy with the electric cars.

There has to be another alernative that is cheaper than electric cars!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17036978


hog wash

the nissan leaf replacement battery cell is 3300$

i work for a nissan dealer
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and you don't think that is excessive? what about other maintainence? just as costly as for a regular car?
 Quoting: davvi


Not to mention that the energy to charge your car's batteries come from coal, oil, natural gas, bio-fuels, nuclear power plants. Folks act as if charging your car's batteries is free. Look at all the energy used to make the battery then just how environment friendly is it to deal with the old batteries after they are deemed useless?

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Great somebody talking sense about saving the environment and how electricity is not the way to go for vehicles!

People that purchase electric vehicles are not told that the batteries do not last forever and will need to be replaced. The costs can be from $5000 to $7000 depending on the vehicle. I am not happy with the electric cars.

There has to be another alernative that is cheaper than electric cars!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17036978


hog wash

the nissan leaf replacement battery cell is 3300$

i work for a nissan dealer
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33186992


What a shill piece of shit...okay then here,

"The costs can be from $3300 to $7000 depending on the vehicle"

Is that better Nissan Prick?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11591025


OH and to the nissan boy, do you install these $3300 batteries for free?

...thought so
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3300 is not for an electric car. It is for a hybrid
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02/05/2013 03:27 PM

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This is a PsyOp to keep all you sheeple sucking up the oil that supports the American Petrodollar. Last time I looked there is no Electrodollar.

You fools believe anyrything.

The technology is out there to replace the batteries with highly efficient Super Capacitors that can charge within minutes with no degredation from charging a million times.

Open your eyes folks and dont be so gullable !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33034699


Oh yes, there is! The nuclear lobby is attacking in force again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33680343


People forget this: how exactly are you going to produce all the electricity needed to charge all those would-be electric cars?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33680343


coal mines, coal plants...oh wait.
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Re: Toyota and Nissan Shift From Electric Vehicles; Death Knell for Chevy Volt?
Great somebody talking sense about saving the environment and how electricity is not the way to go for vehicles!

People that purchase electric vehicles are not told that the batteries do not last forever and will need to be replaced. The costs can be from $5000 to $7000 depending on the vehicle. I am not happy with the electric cars.

There has to be another alernative that is cheaper than electric cars!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17036978


hog wash

the nissan leaf replacement battery cell is 3300$

i work for a nissan dealer
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33186992


What a shill piece of shit...okay then here,

"The costs can be from $3300 to $7000 depending on the vehicle"

Is that better Nissan Prick?
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lmao
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02/05/2013 03:48 PM
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Your battery price is too high, to the poster two abone me. A whole car conversion only costas 5 grand, and there are no maintenace costs for an EV, so you could save for the batts.
 Quoting: Adamic Seed nli 14200538


No maintenance costs? Let's see, the last time one of my cars was in the shop, it needed a plug on the automatic transmission. That's something that might be saved, does an EV use a transmission with multiple gears?

I also will need brakes and tires. EVs have both of those don't they? But the brakes are regenerative. Does that mean more maintenance cost or less?

I really want to know, because I am waiting for EV tech to get a bit cheaper, and in maybe 10 more years (I hope to get that much out of my existing cars) I'll get an EV.
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In Porto, Portugal, some years ago there was some buses that run on hydrogen. They worked fine, everyone said wonderful things about them but now they are forgotten and I don't see them anymore.

Hydrogen might be the future alternative.
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Most Hydrogen is commercially derived from Natural Gas at an 80% efficiency rating. It would be better to build a vehicle that burns Natural Gas directly at 100% efficiency...and no factories are needed to do that. Just tap it out of the ground, clean it up a smidgen, and you're good to go.
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hog wash

the nissan leaf replacement battery cell is 3300$

i work for a nissan dealer
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33186992


What a shill piece of shit...okay then here,

"The costs can be from $3300 to $7000 depending on the vehicle"

Is that better Nissan Prick?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11591025


OH and to the nissan boy, do you install these $3300 batteries for free?

...thought so
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11591025

3300 is not for an electric car. It is for a hybrid
 Quoting: Kirk


No, as I understand it, $5000 - 7000 is for the hybrids. The Leaf, a true EV, is $3300 according to this guy.

What is the expected battery life? Compare this with the cost of an engine replacement. Most small engines won't go 200,000 miles, and we don't even think of replacing them, we junk the whole car, because the engine will be megabucks, like 10,000 installed.

EV is an important technology, and to say "there must be an alternative" ... well there probably isn't. They tried "fuel cell" cars 30 years ago, those have a hydrogen tank aboard. Wanna drive a mini-Hindenberg, anyone? (Reference is to the Hindenberg dirigible which blew up over New Jersey.) There are always people fighting to kill true EV.

I guess Toyota etc. cannot compete with Nissan's technology, so they are getting out altogether.
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GOT GAS?
baffle m with briliance,or startle m with stupidity. everbody outta the pool.
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In Porto, Portugal, some years ago there was some buses that run on hydrogen. They worked fine, everyone said wonderful things about them but now they are forgotten and I don't see them anymore.

Hydrogen might be the future alternative.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33734336

Most Hydrogen is commercially derived from Natural Gas at an 80% efficiency rating. It would be better to build a vehicle that burns Natural Gas directly at 100% efficiency...and no factories are needed to do that. Just tap it out of the ground, clean it up a smidgen, and you're good to go.
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They do have some natgas "flex-fuel" vehicles from years ago, maybe natgas is an alternative. Though those big natgas tanks would be unwieldy, and you still need an internal combustion engine, and I think natgas rots it out faster than gasoline.

You can't store the natgas onboard as compressed liquid natural gas, because the process of expanding it is prone to explosions. (That's why nobody on the coast of any country wants a terminal to import LNG in their town. If they can't do it safely in a big terminal, you think it's doable in a car? Not.)
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Re: Toyota and Nissan Shift From Electric Vehicles; Death Knell for Chevy Volt?
This is a PsyOp to keep all you sheeple sucking up the oil that supports the American Petrodollar. Last time I looked there is no Electrodollar.

You fools believe anyrything.

The technology is out there to replace the batteries with highly efficient Super Capacitors that can charge within minutes with no degredation from charging a million times.

Open your eyes folks and dont be so gullable !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33034699


Oh yes, there is! The nuclear lobby is attacking in force again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33680343


People forget this: how exactly are you going to produce all the electricity needed to charge all those would-be electric cars?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33680343


coal mines, coal plants...oh wait.
 Quoting: davvi


We don't mind fracking these days. (We in NY do, but it's happening everywhere else anyway.) I think there will be a plentiful supply of fuel, though not super cheap.

But we should use coal instead, it doesn't do the damage that fracking may do.
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Re: Toyota and Nissan Shift From Electric Vehicles; Death Knell for Chevy Volt?
This is a PsyOp to keep all you sheeple sucking up the oil that supports the American Petrodollar. Last time I looked there is no Electrodollar.

You fools believe anyrything.

The technology is out there to replace the batteries with highly efficient Super Capacitors that can charge within minutes with no degredation from charging a million times.

Open your eyes folks and dont be so gullable !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33034699

You nailed it correctly. They have the technology to remove us off Gas forever but there is no money in that and so we will never see it.

Just like cures to diseases. They have the cures to many diseases but again there is no money in it. They can only keep power over us as long as they keep us under their corporate thumb.


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The Chevy Volt was never a viable option for greenies because it cost double what gas econoboxes cost, is even more anemic, and has a range of a bicycle on the battery. The Nissan Leaf was about as good and inexpensive as it was going to get as long as you don’t need to drive more than 70 miles in a day.

Politicians alone are what drove Chevy to make the Volt an actual production car in the first place. Without Obama throwing billions of dollars at GM and having the government buy what they paid GM to make in the first place, the Volt never would have rolled off the assembly line. It was pure Keyensianism coupled with NWO Agenda 21 crap. It was doomed to failure from the beginning.
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Unless you are going only a few miles ev's are poor
Moores law for battery capacity is only about 4%

Leaf battery packs in the UK cost a whopping £19392

$3300 is just bull
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Unless you are going only a few miles ev's are poor
Moores law for battery capacity is only about 4%

Leaf battery packs in the UK cost a whopping £19392

$3300 is just bull
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comon you fools...there has been "alternative" sources of energies for years but there isn't a buck to be made on it so its not mass produced
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The Prius and Volt are not EVs! The leaf is an EV, the other two are hybrids.
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Really, why do they sell the Prius Plug In?

Better yet, what do you call the Rav4 EV?

You must be thinking of the Highlander Hybrid or maybe even Avalon Hybrid that they're coming out with this year.


As for the cost of the replacement batteries in the Prius, I think the Toyota dealership I worked for was going to charge about $2400 for it. The only thing is they tend be ok and keep going after 300,000 miles.

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comon you fools...there has been "alternative" sources of energies for years but there isn't a buck to be made on it so its not mass produced
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This is a PsyOp to keep all you sheeple sucking up the oil that supports the American Petrodollar. Last time I looked there is no Electrodollar.

You fools believe anyrything.

The technology is out there to replace the batteries with highly efficient Super Capacitors that can charge within minutes with no degredation from charging a million times.

Open your eyes folks and dont be so gullable !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33034699

You nailed it correctly. They have the technology to remove us off Gas forever but there is no money in that and so we will never see it.

Just like cures to diseases. They have the cures to many diseases but again there is no money in it. They can only keep power over us as long as they keep us under their corporate thumb.


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bump
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Your battery price is too high, to the poster two abone me. A whole car conversion only costas 5 grand, and there are no maintenace costs for an EV, so you could save for the batts.
 Quoting: Adamic Seed nli 14200538


A replacement battery for the Tesla is 30 thousand dollars and if you run it flat it isn't under warranty.
Electric cars need a power source. WE don't have one.
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Too True! What we have is water! and lots of it.
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Your battery price is too high, to the poster two abone me. A whole car conversion only costas 5 grand, and there are no maintenace costs for an EV, so you could save for the batts.
 Quoting: Adamic Seed nli 14200538


No maintenance costs? Let's see, the last time one of my cars was in the shop, it needed a plug on the automatic transmission. That's something that might be saved, does an EV use a transmission with multiple gears?
I also will need brakes and tires. EVs have both of those don't they? But the brakes are regenerative. Does that mean more maintenance cost or less?

I really want to know, because I am waiting for EV tech to get a bit cheaper, and in maybe 10 more years (I hope to get that much out of my existing cars) I'll get an EV.
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Yes, it's called a continuously variable transmission and has an infinite number of gear ratios. In other words, it's a no maintenance transmission.

Also, not sure if the Leaf has it, but the Prius has an engine brake so your brakes should last longer. Cost of ownership on a hybrid is cheaper on hybrids than a gas vehicle.

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This is the most sad news I have read in many years.

This is the day all hope died.

Bring the doom on.

There is no more hope for humanity.

THEY have won the war...


verysad
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"According to Toyota Vice Chairman Takeshi Uchiyamada, "Because of its shortcomings - driving range, cost and recharging time - the electric vehicle is not a viable replacement for most conventional cars; we need something entirely new." Uchiyamada is considered the "father of the Prius."

An article by Reuter's exposes the limitations of EVs and focuses on Toyota's, along with Nissan's, change in strategy, which is now moving away from EVs. Even the most ideological and extreme green energy proponents and backers of the Chevy Volt will have to open their eyes to the sad truth uncovered by the latest report."

[link to nlpc.org]

lol, and didn't the obama administration spend millions of taxpayer dollars to promote gm and the chevy volt?
 Quoting: davvi


I think its safe ta say these jap carmakers know more about running successful automobile businnesses than these obamaa assclowns.5a
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