Toyota and Nissan Shift From Electric Vehicles; Death Knell for Chevy Volt?

LIAR LIAR....pants on fire.

"The manufacturing cost of the Leaf’s battery is around $15,000, so replacing the battery is half the cost of the car."

[link to www.extremetech.com]

This is really ironic, considering GM had a perfectly viable electric car 15+ years ago which they intentionally destroyed after Oil companies forced California to reverse its car pollution policies.

Give me a fucking break!
Electric cars are perfectly viable and can be produced and people would buy them, but we all know the oil industrial complex doesn't want that.

Sure they are viable and can be produced....if they are MONETARILY FEASIBLE .....but they are not.

So.....

This thread is bullshit.

Do you want the truth?

Here is the truth:





Electric Car Sales to Double in 2013

NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Sales of plug-in electric and hybrid cars in the U.S. basically tripled in 2012, from little over 17,000 cars to little over 50,000 cars. I am counting both pure electric cars (Tesla (TSLA_), Nissan LEAF, etc.) and plug-in hybrids (Chevrolet Volt, Ford (F_) C-Max Energi, etc.) here, as I believe this is the relevant measurement in the market at the moment.

The 2012 best-seller in the U.S. market was the Chevrolet Volt, which sold little over 23,000 cars (plus some 7,000 units abroad, for those who are counting). The Toyota (TM_) Prius plug-in came in second at 13,000 cars, and the Nissan LEAF third at 10,000. Those three cars at 46,000 total were close to 90% of the plug-in electric market. At 2,374 cars starting late in the year, the Ford C-Max Energi was the bulk of the balance, at least if we don't count the Tesla Model S, which hasn't reported numbers yet, but where the final number was likely just above 3,000.

What can we expect for 2013? Let's take these cars one by one, and then tally up an estimate.


Read the rest here:

[link to www.thestreet.com]




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Nissan to bring more electric vehicle manufacturing to Barcelona


Barcelona, in Spain, is a city that seems to have it all: from beautiful architecture to the world’s best football team. And now it can add yet more electric vehicle production to that list.

That’s because Barcelona has been chosen by Nissan to assemble the gearbox for both the Nissan LEAF and the Nissan eNV200 (pictured) with an investment of €6million. However, that only tells part of the story: because Barcelona will also be the manufacturing sight for a new, yet to be revealed, passenger car, with production of 80,000 units a year at an investment of €110million; and an increase in annual capacity for its 1-Ton Pickup: at an investment of €14million.Nissan e-NV200

Overall, the investments total €130million and will create thousands of new jobs, with production of the new passenger car to begin in 2014. The money will be poured into updating the production lines as well as introducing the technology needed to support electric vehicle production.

It’s not the only time that Nissan has recently made a huge investment in Barcelona: it had already announced that it would spend €200million bringing production of the Nissan e-NV200, its second electric vehicle, to the city; as well as the production of a new truck at its Avila plant.

According to Frank Torres, the managing director of Nissan Motor Iberica, this investment could lead to even more production opportunities in the future.

“In the coming years, Barcelona plant will work at full capacity, with an annual output over 200,000 units while maintaining its attractiveness to produce new models,” he said.

“Given the current crisis environment, this is not only a great achievement for Nissan, but for the entire industry in this country.”

Now Barcelona can arguably be considered the most versatile of all of Nissan’s plants as it can produce LCVs; electric vehicles and passenger cars.


[link to www.thegreencarwebsite.co.uk]



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UNPIN this bullshit...

Yes there's a continuing push against EV's, with all sorts of bogus substitutes like Natgas and Hydrogen (fuel cell). Those don't actually work, so they are no threat to the status quo.

Electric depends on the battery, it has its pros and cons, but it is a viable, practical alternative. For local commuting it's a great solution.

You actually can generate the electricity for EV's with solar and wind farms. That's a great use for the excess electricity produced by these methods. They aren't baseload, so they are not appropriate for reliably powering houses and industry. But for putting energy into car batteries, they are just fine.

If I installed solar on my roof, I could surely use it to fill up my car's battery. Or I could keep my car hooked up at my house, to be topped up whenever the grid has excess energy.

Funny how most owners of prius are in fact actors and millionaires, so electric cars are just a fad, and expensive fad that has sucked out funding that could have gone towards helping those losing their homes.

twats.

Tesla is also building the power source. They are building recharging stations for EV's, and if your EV is a Tesla, I believe the recharge is to be free.

It sounds really good, the only issue is battery life. $30,000 isn't impossible for a battery if it goes 200,000 miles.

Don't be a nong. If there was money to be made, investors would flock to it.

Support the petro-dollar! Like investors care.

Why can;t their be solar cars or hydrogen based fuel cars?

I guess the CVT is needed because the electric motor really only runs at one speed, instead of a range of RPM's like an internal combustion engine.

CVT is not necessarily maintenance free, it's a mechanical system with parts that can wear and break. It's generally considered a light-duty system iirc. I'd bet on the German transmission in my Chrysler to last longer than a CVT.

Solar cars: if you want to drive only on sunny days, and are OK accelerating really rally gradually and not carrying much weight, fine go for it.

Hydrogen: remember the Hindenberg? I don't either, but you can look it up on Wikipedia. Hydrogen is explosive. It's an insane idea for every car on the road to have a hydrogen tank.

First off the volt has a gas engine in it and a PLUG IN prius and the leaf DO NOT.

That being said, the volt is going nowhere fast because when you have to subsidize both the purchase and development of such machines, it is patently obvious the public doesn't want them.

tesla are corporate welfare queens, and liberal false idols. Until they start making money, they are nothing but a drain on society.

Went to a chevy dealer the other day had one volt special order everyone else was lookin at camaros with the big v8 engines.

IN use Today, Cleveland OHIO

i know someone who put some different/better battery kit into his prius and he has nothing to complain about. he gets around 150 miles per gallon. only has to go to the gas station a few times per year. charges his batteries with solar panels. and since the gas engine is only used half the time, it doubles the life of the engine to around 500,000 miles. he is saving loads. toyota of course found out about this and started making prius' (pre-ay..) so that modding can't be done. the lithium batteries manufactured have changed in the last few years to be made to not be utilized in any which way.

Do you recall the Hindenburg?

The big zeppelin that crashed and burned near Lakehurst, New Jersey?

Hydrogen is inherently VERY dangerous, which is why there will never be a distribution system for it.

An explosive, highly flammable gas is much more dangerous than gasoline.

Simply building enough containers strong and thick enough to handle it would cancel out any and all "environmental" benefits.
The Hindenburg tragedy ended the era of transatlantic zepppelin travel.

Only non-explosive helium is allowed in dirigibles now.

You were giving me kudos for my financial acumen the other night, remarking how you were leaning something from me and now I am a high school dropout.

Does anyone recall the thread about how electric vehicles are more polluting than gasoline ones?

It quoted a study co-authored by a University of Tennessee and Chinese research team.

And it came out in 20111 or 2012.

The pollution caused in the generation of the electicity,

INCLUDING THE TOXIC MANUFACTURE OF SOLAR PANELS,

makes electric cars far worse in their impact.

Furthermore, the impact is centered on the poorer areas.
Poorer people live near the polluting solar factories and electric plants.

Last Edited by beeches on 02/05/2013 07:14 PM

Depends on which arm of the media you believe ! The Right or the Left

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Oh, boys.

I have seen a grand total of 2 Chevy Volts on the road during my lifetime.

Wind, solar, hydro.

30 g for areplacement battery when you can get a replacement engine a fraction of that these things are fer superrich libs makin a politiical statement.

There are plenty of replacements for the electric car. Let's start with natural gas. We have tons of it and north America could be entirely self sufficient running off of it. It's clean too. Heck you can turn coal into natural gas and we have tons of coal too.

You could keep your electric engine and put in a fuel cell that runs off of hydrogen. Add water and electricity or even a solar panel to charge up.

Oh yeah we could be very green right now if they would allow it. The government has already shut down companies that make conversion kits to hydrogen, that can be powered with sunlight, while your car is parked in your companies parking lot.

I think it's funnier than hell! Toyota and Datsun can see how these POS electric cars are just not what people want, but GM has to keep making the Volt. Oblabla has too much personal capital invested in the concept (not to mention the trillion tax dollars) to admit it's a piece of shit.

The article is correct. The range of most EVs is too small to be practical for anyone other than a city driver. Extended range hybrids are what the industry is moving to. Natural gas and propane are what most cars will run on in the near future. Natural gas and propane are forms of
Hydrogen and are easier and cheaper to produce.

GM Volt about to turn into another Solyndra.
...definitely can't let America see that....or the truth.

It seems most people posting don't want a real discussion about the car industry, they just want to blame someone for their problems. In a little more than ten years, all cars will get 55mpg and trucks will get 35mpg or better. What mpg does your current car/truck get? What is the cost to fill your tank not for a week, but for a YEAR? What was the price of gas 10 years ago versus what do you think it will be 10 years from now?