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CBO: Seven Million Workers Will Lose Insurance Under Obamacare

 
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Ultimately the health care system could simply collapse. You might say that wealthy people alone will have healthcare, but I don't think that all the doctors hospitals and other facilities are going to be able to afford sitting around waiting for a rich person to get sick.
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They voted him back in, why I dont know. Bart Simpson would be a better president
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They voted him back in, why I dont know. Bart Simpson would be a better president
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02/05/2013 06:43 PM
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Not only will millions lose the insurance they have, but the majority of workplace insurance premiums are paid by the employers as a benefit that is a hidden income. No longer having that hidden income they will now be taxed in roughly the amount that was never stated as income. Double whammy!

Example: Before Obama fraudulently ascended to his throne, I used to work for a large company with great insurance. It was $140 per paycheck ($3780 per year) and the company paid roughly $1500 per month which was about $18,000 per year. Anything familiar with that last figure? Awefully close to the $20,000 the IRS estimates will be the lowest level of Obamacare for a family of 4. It’s the amount we used to get paid as an unreported benefit that the government is now going to charge us for the least expensive of the government’s tender care options.

We are screwed folks. There is no way in hell this is going to work. They are crashing the system and they are doing it on purpose.
 Quoting: Resister


Yep.
Obamacare will put the economy over the brink if it's not already toast at that point.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


I suppose they want to burn it to the ground and raise up something new that they want. Like the proverbial Phoenix bird.
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The Phoenix is the mascot of the University of Chicago, source of much of BHO's brain trust -- the non-Ivy League part. Coincidence? I think not.
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Not only will millions lose the insurance they have, but the majority of workplace insurance premiums are paid by the employers as a benefit that is a hidden income. No longer having that hidden income they will now be taxed in roughly the amount that was never stated as income. Double whammy!

Example: Before Obama fraudulently ascended to his throne, I used to work for a large company with great insurance. It was $140 per paycheck ($3780 per year) and the company paid roughly $1500 per month which was about $18,000 per year. Anything familiar with that last figure? Awefully close to the $20,000 the IRS estimates will be the lowest level of Obamacare for a family of 4. It’s the amount we used to get paid as an unreported benefit that the government is now going to charge us for the least expensive of the government’s tender care options.

We are screwed folks. There is no way in hell this is going to work. They are crashing the system and they are doing it on purpose.
 Quoting: Resister


Yep.
Obamacare will put the economy over the brink if it's not already toast at that point.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


I suppose they want to burn it to the ground and raise up something new that they want. Like the proverbial Phoenix bird.
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That's what the NAZI party did.
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02/05/2013 06:54 PM
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Insurance shouldn't be job based. It isn't like that in any other country. A person is covered if they have a job, are self-employed or out of work everywhere except the US. Enough pressure is put on businesses these days. They don't need the added pressure to provide insurance as well. That is out dated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


You don't read much do you? I mean, it doesn't look like you understand that the European model of socialism has failed.
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"They" voted him back in because they believed his lies. "If you like your plan you can keep it." They also managed to suppress all the other negative info. such as cost and all the other little gems like "not all medications and procedures will be available to every individual." Just wait until vaccinations become mandatory or you have a baby with severe birth defects that they deem too costly to save. They can do anything now because they are in charge of your healthcare. This is the travesty that America let happen. No turning back.
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The only people being pushed out of health care are the people who work for greed-mongering rich fucks who can't spare a dime to help someone survive.
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The only people being pushed out of health care are the people who work for greed-mongering rich fucks who can't spare a dime to help someone survive.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 975472


This post is a great example of the entitlement mind.

Since someone has worked for something, and can support themselves, it means you, the one who cannot, have a right to what he has worked for?

No, no, no.

You are incorrect.
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The question is does he care ?. I do not think he does, my reason for that is he/they whatever put the bill together and got it passed. Thus they know what effects it will have.
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But, But I thought it was call Obama-CARE
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Yrs, they knew this would happen and wanted it to happen.The people who get dropped will be forced to seek their own insurance in the private market. Since many will find this unaffordable due to sky-rocketing premiums, they will be forced to purchase from the Obamacare exchanges being set up in all states. This is gov't subsidized, so the gov't gets to set all the rules. Eventually we will all be forced to purchase our insurance from the exchanges due to the private market being too costly. Except for the elite, of course. It is too late to turn back the clock. Welcome to the loss of your healthcare freedom and say hello to death panels. One example is that reimbursement for surgeries will be "outcome based". Do you know what that means? Suppose you are in very poor health and find yourself needing life-saving surgery. Good luck finding a surgeon and hospital to treat you because Obamacare states they will not be reimbursed if the outcome is poor. The law also states that not all medications or procedures will be available to every individual. Think about that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33495071


Yes, mostly right except for one key fact. Here in MA we've already have the healthcare exchanges and guess what. No one can afford them. The minimum required coverage is too expensive. To cover my family using the same insurance we had before would cost $2K a month.

I've been going around asking sole proprietors and small business owners how they handle insurance. There are two basic answers, either they have a spouse who is in a large enough company that still provides insurance or they simply go without and pay the fines (in theory).

The end result is this: Only the very rich and the very poor will have health insurance going forward. It's the kind of misery Marxists love. It allows them to dole out crumbs to their followers to maintain power.
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President Obama's health care law will push 7 million people out of their job-based insurance coverage — nearly twice the previous estimate, according to the latest estimates from the Congressional Budget Office released Tuesday.

CBO said that this year's tax cuts have changed the incentives for businesses and made it less attractive to pay for insurance, meaning fewer will decide to do so. Instead, they'll choose to pay a penalty to the government, totaling $13 billion in higher fees over the next decade.

[link to www.washingtontimes.com]
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....but....but....but....

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Plus millions will be dropped to part time.

I already personally know 2 people who are going to be part time now thanks to Obamacare.

Thanks "O".
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Looks like I was right after all.

4 years ago, I was having a discussion with my libtard twin brother over Obamacare. He was always dancing around it saying it will be for the best, blah, blah, no new taxes, blah, blah.

I told him that it was a huge step toward socialized/national health care by making private health care much more expensive. He dismissed it...

I have the urge to kick him in the groin next time I see him...
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President Obama's health care law will push 7 million people out of their job-based insurance coverage — nearly twice the previous estimate, according to the latest estimates from the Congressional Budget Office released Tuesday.

CBO said that this year's tax cuts have changed the incentives for businesses and made it less attractive to pay for insurance, meaning fewer will decide to do so. Instead, they'll choose to pay a penalty to the government, totaling $13 billion in higher fees over the next decade.

[link to www.washingtontimes.com]
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant


....but....but....but....

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02/05/2013 08:17 PM
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We are screwed folks. There is no way in hell this is going to work. They are crashing the system and they are doing it on purpose.
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This has been a slow, excruciating screw.

Unfortunately, K-Y is not covered by Ocare.
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Plus millions will be dropped to part time.

I already personally know 2 people who are going to be part time now thanks to Obamacare.

Thanks "O".
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just 2? most everyone I know that WAS working full time is now part time 20-25 hrs a week .
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Those who don't purchase insurance, and don't qualify for Medicaid or subsidies, will be assessed a tax of $95 (or 1 percent of income, whichever is higher) in 2014. It increases to $325 (or 2 percent of income) in 2015, and $695 (or 2.5 percent of income) in 2016. About 4 million people, or 1.2 percent of the population, will wind up paying the tax rather than purchasing health insurance.
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Yrs, they knew this would happen and wanted it to happen.The people who get dropped will be forced to seek their own insurance in the private market. Since many will find this unaffordable due to sky-rocketing premiums, they will be forced to purchase from the Obamacare exchanges being set up in all states. This is gov't subsidized, so the gov't gets to set all the rules. Eventually we will all be forced to purchase our insurance from the exchanges due to the private market being too costly. Except for the elite, of course. It is too late to turn back the clock. Welcome to the loss of your healthcare freedom and say hello to death panels. One example is that reimbursement for surgeries will be "outcome based". Do you know what that means? Suppose you are in very poor health and find yourself needing life-saving surgery. Good luck finding a surgeon and hospital to treat you because Obamacare states they will not be reimbursed if the outcome is poor. The law also states that not all medications or procedures will be available to every individual. Think about that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33495071


Here's how it goes down....

1. Companies don't insure individuals because it's too costly

2. Companies take the government fines, it's the cheaper way to go

3. Employees try to insure through private companies and find they can't afford it

4. Employees try to insure through government, $20,000 a family for the useless plan, more $ if you expect to get some coverage and even more money if you expect to be "insured"

5. Employees decline to get insured and pays the fines to the government


So what have we learned? The government has figured out a unique and fun way to get the poor and middle class to pay down the deficit! Only in America!

What do you do in a country where the people can't afford insurance? Do you penalize the insurance companies for charging too much - do you make insurance affordable for everyone? Nope - you fine the people who couldn't afford the overpriced, quasi-coverage insurance.

Makes sense to me. Don't punish the big insurance corporations for this mess, it is obviously the people that get sick. Why should insurance companies pay for sick people - the people weren't sick when they got the coverage - Everyone knows you can't get insurance with a per-existing condition.
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Ultimately the health care system could simply collapse. You might say that wealthy people alone will have healthcare, but I don't think that all the doctors hospitals and other facilities are going to be able to afford sitting around waiting for a rich person to get sick.
 Quoting: Northman


The rich people are "buying" their own doctors - these doctors work for a limited number of families and make house calls. SO, all those nurses and doctors that work in hospitals will find, just like many other Americans, that their skills and career are no longer needed in their community. They will either become part of those serving the elite only or they will join the unemployment lines. Either way, hospitals will close and the regular guy will find that prayer and home remedies are the only form of medicinal care they will receive.
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Yrs, they knew this would happen and wanted it to happen.The people who get dropped will be forced to seek their own insurance in the private market. Since many will find this unaffordable due to sky-rocketing premiums, they will be forced to purchase from the Obamacare exchanges being set up in all states. This is gov't subsidized, so the gov't gets to set all the rules. Eventually we will all be forced to purchase our insurance from the exchanges due to the private market being too costly. Except for the elite, of course. It is too late to turn back the clock. Welcome to the loss of your healthcare freedom and say hello to death panels. One example is that reimbursement for surgeries will be "outcome based". Do you know what that means? Suppose you are in very poor health and find yourself needing life-saving surgery. Good luck finding a surgeon and hospital to treat you because Obamacare states they will not be reimbursed if the outcome is poor. The law also states that not all medications or procedures will be available to every individual. Think about that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33495071


Sarah Palin was absolutely correct in her acessment of the "Death Panels" and look what they did to her.

We really are at war here.
Liberal Logic - Demanding that the government stay out of their bedrooms while insisting on taxpayer funded birth control.
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share your work hours you greedy bastards , you don't need 40 of them to live on. banana2
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Yeah! Food stamps for EVERYONE!!!!
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Sarah Palin was absolutely correct in her acessment of the "Death Panels" and look what they did to her.

We really are at war here.
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And we are losing! Someone wave the white flag!
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Sarah Palin was absolutely correct in her acessment of the "Death Panels" and look what they did to her.

We really are at war here.
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And we are losing! Someone wave the white flag!
 Quoting: ParanoiaGirl


for some odd reason the term " we have not yet begun to fight" comes to mind.
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7 milllion dropped to part time means 7 million hired to pick up the slack = unenmployment rate drops.

share your work hours you greedy bastards , you don't need 40 of them to live on. banana2
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you'd wish !!! if an employer finds out that he/she could get by fine with just a part-time employee, he/she will continue to do so , while demanding more productivity from ''said part-time employee'' without the need to hire extra help... that is the wall street business way.
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excellent the more shitflingers that are hopeless angry and desperate the more likely they are to go postal ) I like it , that is job security for me , with benefits )
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7 milllion dropped to part time means 7 million hired to pick up the slack = unenmployment rate drops.

share your work hours you greedy bastards , you don't need 40 of them to live on. banana2
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24291937


you'd wish !!! if an employer finds out that he/she could get by fine with just a part-time employee, he/she will continue to do so , while demanding more productivity from ''said part-time employee'' without the need to hire extra help... that is the wall street business way.
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excellent the more shitflingers that are hopeless angry and desperate the more likely they are to go postal ) I like it , that is job security for me , with benefits )
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24291937


trollspray
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just 2? most everyone I know that WAS working full time is now part time 20-25 hrs a week .
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Well now, I see the light - more jobs for everyone! I KNEW there had to be a good reason Obama was doing this - he's increasing job growth! Yeah Obama! He is sooooooo wise! Why didn't anyone else figure out that forcing employers to cut people's hours would add more 20 hour jobs? That is what we need - more 20 hour jobs!

Run those printing presses - food stamps for EVERYONE!!!!
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Sarah Palin was absolutely correct in her acessment of the "Death Panels" and look what they did to her.

We really are at war here.
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And we are losing! Someone wave the white flag!
 Quoting: ParanoiaGirl


for some odd reason the term " we have not yet begun to fight" comes to mind.
 Quoting: Dr. Lecter


When are we starting? I am awake, I don't want to just sit here and watch.
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Congratulations Democrat Party!

You've not only destroyed the insurance industry, but destroyed the middle class and medical privacy in one Kenyan stroke!

ohappy
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Ah but there is now an increase in 20 hour jobs and food stamps! There is give and take in everything.
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Yrs, they knew this would happen and wanted it to happen.The people who get dropped will be forced to seek their own insurance in the private market. Since many will find this unaffordable due to sky-rocketing premiums, they will be forced to purchase from the Obamacare exchanges being set up in all states. This is gov't subsidized, so the gov't gets to set all the rules. Eventually we will all be forced to purchase our insurance from the exchanges due to the private market being too costly. Except for the elite, of course. It is too late to turn back the clock. Welcome to the loss of your healthcare freedom and say hello to death panels. One example is that reimbursement for surgeries will be "outcome based". Do you know what that means? Suppose you are in very poor health and find yourself needing life-saving surgery. Good luck finding a surgeon and hospital to treat you because Obamacare states they will not be reimbursed if the outcome is poor. The law also states that not all medications or procedures will be available to every individual. Think about that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33495071


Thats not going to happen there was a story on Drudge that said the cheapist premium will be 20k per year .. So these peole will be stuck paying the fine more then likely.
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