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CBO: Seven Million Workers Will Lose Insurance Under Obamacare | |
Useless Cookie Eater  User ID: 29696048  United States02/05/2013 09:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yrs, they knew this would happen and wanted it to happen.The people who get dropped will be forced to seek their own insurance in the private market. Since many will find this unaffordable due to sky-rocketing premiums, they will be forced to purchase from the Obamacare exchanges being set up in all states. This is gov't subsidized, so the gov't gets to set all the rules. Eventually we will all be forced to purchase our insurance from the exchanges due to the private market being too costly. Except for the elite, of course. It is too late to turn back the clock. Welcome to the loss of your healthcare freedom and say hello to death panels. One example is that reimbursement for surgeries will be "outcome based". Do you know what that means? Suppose you are in very poor health and find yourself needing life-saving surgery. Good luck finding a surgeon and hospital to treat you because Obamacare states they will not be reimbursed if the outcome is poor. The law also states that not all medications or procedures will be available to every individual. Think about that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33495071 Sarah Palin was absolutely correct in her acessment of the "Death Panels" and look what they did to her. We really are at war here. Yep...she called it 100%. ..and was beaten over the head for it by the CORRUPT LEFTY MEDIA. :nhc: |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 32538141 United States02/05/2013 09:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yrs, they knew this would happen and wanted it to happen.The people who get dropped will be forced to seek their own insurance in the private market. Since many will find this unaffordable due to sky-rocketing premiums, they will be forced to purchase from the Obamacare exchanges being set up in all states. This is gov't subsidized, so the gov't gets to set all the rules. Eventually we will all be forced to purchase our insurance from the exchanges due to the private market being too costly. Except for the elite, of course. It is too late to turn back the clock. Welcome to the loss of your healthcare freedom and say hello to death panels. One example is that reimbursement for surgeries will be "outcome based". Do you know what that means? Suppose you are in very poor health and find yourself needing life-saving surgery. Good luck finding a surgeon and hospital to treat you because Obamacare states they will not be reimbursed if the outcome is poor. The law also states that not all medications or procedures will be available to every individual. Think about that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33495071 Here's how it goes down.... 1. Companies don't insure individuals because it's too costly 2. Companies take the government fines, it's the cheaper way to go 3. Employees try to insure through private companies and find they can't afford it 4. Employees try to insure through government, $20,000 a family for the useless plan, more $ if you expect to get some coverage and even more money if you expect to be "insured" 5. Employees decline to get insured and pays the fines to the government So what have we learned? The government has figured out a unique and fun way to get the poor and middle class to pay down the deficit! Only in America! What do you do in a country where the people can't afford insurance? Do you penalize the insurance companies for charging too much - do you make insurance affordable for everyone? Nope - you fine the people who couldn't afford the overpriced, quasi-coverage insurance. Makes sense to me. Don't punish the big insurance corporations for this mess, it is obviously the people that get sick. Why should insurance companies pay for sick people - the people weren't sick when they got the coverage - Everyone knows you can't get insurance with a per-existing condition.  this and only in shitty americka do you have politicians who don't give a rats ass about it's people but look at its people as barn animals i agree with you |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33123581 United States02/05/2013 09:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's how it goes down.... Quoting: ParanoiaGirl 1. Companies don't insure individuals because it's too costly 2. Companies take the government fines, it's the cheaper way to go 3. Employees try to insure through private companies and find they can't afford it 4. Employees try to insure through government, $20,000 a family for the useless plan, more $ if you expect to get some coverage and even more money if you expect to be "insured" 5. Employees decline to get insured and pays the fines to the government So what have we learned? The government has figured out a unique and fun way to get the poor and middle class to pay down the deficit! Only in America! What do you do in a country where the people can't afford insurance? Do you penalize the insurance companies for charging too much - do you make insurance affordable for everyone? Nope - you fine the people who couldn't afford the overpriced, quasi-coverage insurance. Makes sense to me. Don't punish the big insurance corporations for this mess, it is obviously the people that get sick. Why should insurance companies pay for sick people - the people weren't sick when they got the coverage - Everyone knows you can't get insurance with a per-existing condition. this and only in shitty americka do you have politicians who don't give a rats ass about it's people but look at its people as barn animals i agree with you Thank you for agreeing with me but wish this wasn't the way. Americka - how true!  |
| Useless Cookie Eater User ID: 29696048 United States02/05/2013 09:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's how it goes down.... Quoting: ParanoiaGirl 1. Companies don't insure individuals because it's too costly 2. Companies take the government fines, it's the cheaper way to go 3. Employees try to insure through private companies and find they can't afford it 4. Employees try to insure through government, $20,000 a family for the useless plan, more $ if you expect to get some coverage and even more money if you expect to be "insured" 5. Employees decline to get insured and pays the fines to the government So what have we learned? The government has figured out a unique and fun way to get the poor and middle class to pay down the deficit! Only in America! What do you do in a country where the people can't afford insurance? Do you penalize the insurance companies for charging too much - do you make insurance affordable for everyone? Nope - you fine the people who couldn't afford the overpriced, quasi-coverage insurance. Makes sense to me. Don't punish the big insurance corporations for this mess, it is obviously the people that get sick. Why should insurance companies pay for sick people - the people weren't sick when they got the coverage - Everyone knows you can't get insurance with a per-existing condition. this and only in shitty americka do you have politicians who don't give a rats ass about it's people but look at its people as barn animals i agree with you Thank you for agreeing with me but wish this wasn't the way. Americka - how true! You act as if this "barn animal" scenario is new. Ever read a history book?  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 32538141 United States02/05/2013 10:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's how it goes down.... Quoting: ParanoiaGirl 1. Companies don't insure individuals because it's too costly 2. Companies take the government fines, it's the cheaper way to go 3. Employees try to insure through private companies and find they can't afford it 4. Employees try to insure through government, $20,000 a family for the useless plan, more $ if you expect to get some coverage and even more money if you expect to be "insured" 5. Employees decline to get insured and pays the fines to the government So what have we learned? The government has figured out a unique and fun way to get the poor and middle class to pay down the deficit! Only in America! What do you do in a country where the people can't afford insurance? Do you penalize the insurance companies for charging too much - do you make insurance affordable for everyone? Nope - you fine the people who couldn't afford the overpriced, quasi-coverage insurance. Makes sense to me. Don't punish the big insurance corporations for this mess, it is obviously the people that get sick. Why should insurance companies pay for sick people - the people weren't sick when they got the coverage - Everyone knows you can't get insurance with a per-existing condition. this and only in shitty americka do you have politicians who don't give a rats ass about it's people but look at its people as barn animals i agree with you Thank you for agreeing with me but wish this wasn't the way. Americka - how true! You act as if this "barn animal" scenario is new. Ever read a history book? :socoba: i have read many history books and use to teach it a bit i wished for better for americka but looks like it is turning into stalin's dream |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33123581 United States02/05/2013 10:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obama never did care about the working person. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10600600 He has been all about taking from the working and giving to those not working. So, with 47% getting handouts from the Government - he doesnt care. It's 47 MILLION getting handouts and it's not nearly enough to meet Obama's quota. Hold onto your hats, many more to come and if you aren't one of them, you will be soon. Free Food Stamps for Everyone! |
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| chuckles User ID: 33382100 United States02/05/2013 10:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm already starting to see the want ads for local retailers and restaurants looking for more employees. Cutting back the hours on the existing employees and hiring more to make up for the difference. Isn't life in an obamanation grand!!!! |
| Useless Cookie Eater User ID: 29696048 United States02/05/2013 10:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm already starting to see the want ads for local retailers and restaurants looking for more employees. Cutting back the hours on the existing employees and hiring more to make up for the difference. Isn't life in an obamanation grand!!!! Quoting: chuckles 33382100 ....and the Obama administration will revise the GREAT NEW unemployment numbers.  |
| TenStar'd User ID: 33777166 United States02/05/2013 10:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He doesn't care about people losing jobs or being unemployed. He will take care of them via entitlement programs. His ultimate goal on health insurance is a one-payer service...the US Gov't being that payer. And yes, that gives them control over our lives, our bodies. They will decide who gets to live or die. All of these things are about gaining control over all aspects of people's lives and bodies. And none of these things will be available unless you are CHIPPED. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31907650 This. We are so screwed. The only health care I will have in the future is "NO". God does not test us, He strengthens us. For if we are fully in Faith, He girds the armor evermore. |
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| Brightwinger User ID: 18321649 United States02/05/2013 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The question is does he care ?. I do not think he does, my reason for that is he/they whatever put the bill together and got it passed. Thus they know what effects it will have. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25214501 Obama cares about the same amount as Mao cared when his first five year plan failed. His answer? Do another five years. Meanwhile somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 to 70 million either were murdered or starved to death. Author, inventor, disorganizer. Let's disorganize the American Cancer Society. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 5261133 United States02/05/2013 11:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | President Obama's health care law will push 7 million people out of their job-based insurance coverage — nearly twice the previous estimate, according to the latest estimates from the Congressional Budget Office released Tuesday. Quoting: Sleeping Giant CBO said that this year's tax cuts have changed the incentives for businesses and made it less attractive to pay for insurance, meaning fewer will decide to do so. Instead, they'll choose to pay a penalty to the government, totaling $13 billion in higher fees over the next decade. [link to www.washingtontimes.com] aLL planned gov. is broke...they want/need this tax $$$$$$$ obama has as much bussiness in the WHITE HOUSE as a retarded chimp |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 5261133 United States02/05/2013 11:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Train wreck. Should we all just go to Texas and secede? This is utterly painful to watch. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28232375 Just the start my friend, Obama has many more surprises in store! Remember, we are still in his first month of rule for this term. 3% tax when you sell your home...obama cares wait till the dust settles no wonder he wants your guns |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24131989 United States02/06/2013 12:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yrs, they knew this would happen and wanted it to happen.The people who get dropped will be forced to seek their own insurance in the private market. Since many will find this unaffordable due to sky-rocketing premiums, they will be forced to purchase from the Obamacare exchanges being set up in all states. This is gov't subsidized, so the gov't gets to set all the rules. Eventually we will all be forced to purchase our insurance from the exchanges due to the private market being too costly. Except for the elite, of course. It is too late to turn back the clock. Welcome to the loss of your healthcare freedom and say hello to death panels. One example is that reimbursement for surgeries will be "outcome based". Do you know what that means? Suppose you are in very poor health and find yourself needing life-saving surgery. Good luck finding a surgeon and hospital to treat you because Obamacare states they will not be reimbursed if the outcome is poor. The law also states that not all medications or procedures will be available to every individual. Think about that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33495071 Which is hilarious when you realize that right now we pay for sex changes for inmates. But we, those footing the bill, could be turned away. |
| ParadigmShift User ID: 31231991 United States02/06/2013 12:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let me just say I have no insurance claims other then routine visits for eighteen years. Thanks for making insurance more affordable. Last Edited by Troy. on 02/06/2013 12:23 AM |
| Sbert User ID: 31081261 United States02/06/2013 12:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Healthcare isn't a god given right. People are born with a mouth, mind, body, soul, etc. Free speech, freedom of thought expression, but healthcare isn't a right given to man at birth. I think people forget that getting healthcare is a right given to you by your physician. Hippocratic oath makes a physician need to treat you in most situations emergent especially. Any decent physician will give you care in the emergent basis alone without asking for money up front. So, when you loose physicians and access because people decide to pay them less or fuck them up with lawsuits, expect less healthcare. There is little to no healthcare delivery with a lack of physicians. Sure, you can go to a NP or a PA, but they are directed by physicians. Your body is like a car. Insure it. The government shouldn't have to be responsible for you and sure the hell shouldn't have to pay for you for being irresponsible. Last Edited by Sbert on 02/06/2013 12:26 AM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1550123 United States02/06/2013 12:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Insurance shouldn't be job based. It isn't like that in any other country. A person is covered if they have a job, are self-employed or out of work everywhere except the US. Enough pressure is put on businesses these days. They don't need the added pressure to provide insurance as well. That is out dated. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123 You don't read much do you? I mean, it doesn't look like you understand that the European model of socialism has failed. This one is failing as well. Insurance is very expensive for the self-employed if they can afford it and some people just can't qualify for health insurance at all. And even when people have insurance many still go bankrupt for all the tests etc that insurance doesn't cover. There are better ways than the one we have but none are perfect. At least in other countries people don't go bankrupt because they had a baby or needed some basic surgery. And even if they have to wait for surgery it is better than not being able to get it at all because you can't afford it so they won't see you. |
