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Ron Paul: Why every American should now be concerned with immigration "reform"

 
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Oh my! Paying back taxes when working illegally, to become legal. I'll stay underground, thank you very much.
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I hope it's unpalatable enough that nobody will take up the offer. But unfortunately, some will, probably the least desirable ones in some way. Like those who have just been mooching off food stamps rather than working, therefore having no income -- they'll just get to keep taking food stamps for their litter until they get legal.
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Oh my! Paying back taxes when working illegally, to become legal. I'll stay underground, thank you very much.
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I hope it's unpalatable enough that nobody will take up the offer. But unfortunately, some will, probably the least desirable ones in some way. Like those who have just been mooching off food stamps rather than working, therefore having no income -- they'll just get to keep taking food stamps for their litter until they get legal.
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You really think Obama will get strict with the conditions? They will give amnesty to all of them, those who work, those who leech, those who commit crime, ALL OF THEM. Doing otherwise would be discriminatory .
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RP needs to take his wrinkly-assed, uni-browed, disrespecting self off to a creaky rocking chair and talk to his dog, or the rug and retire already. Freaking looney-toon, wackadoo, hating old lizard that he is.
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I don't think he's disrespectful at all. He respects people like me, and I respect him.

So what sort of person are you?
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Oh my! Paying back taxes when working illegally, to become legal. I'll stay underground, thank you very much.
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I hope it's unpalatable enough that nobody will take up the offer. But unfortunately, some will, probably the least desirable ones in some way. Like those who have just been mooching off food stamps rather than working, therefore having no income -- they'll just get to keep taking food stamps for their litter until they get legal.
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You really think Obama will get strict with the conditions? They will give amnesty to all of them, those who work, those who leech, those who commit crime, ALL OF THEM. Doing otherwise would be discriminatory .
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Yes there will also be a lot of cheating. and it will favor Obama's favorite "vulnerable populations" of guaranteed Democratic voters.

Indeed we are better off without the whole thing. RP has it just right that anything "bipartisan" is some awful creepy NWO shit.
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RP needs to take his wrinkly-assed, uni-browed, disrespecting self off to a creaky rocking chair and talk to his dog, or the rug and retire already. Freaking looney-toon, wackadoo, hating old lizard that he is.
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you can suck his AND my dicks until you puke a dinner from last month up bb!!! lmao
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Oh my! Paying back taxes when working illegally, to become legal. I'll stay underground, thank you very much.
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I hope it's unpalatable enough that nobody will take up the offer. But unfortunately, some will, probably the least desirable ones in some way. Like those who have just been mooching off food stamps rather than working, therefore having no income -- they'll just get to keep taking food stamps for their litter until they get legal.
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You really think Obama will get strict with the conditions? They will give amnesty to all of them, those who work, those who leech, those who commit crime, ALL OF THEM. Doing otherwise would be discriminatory .
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Yes there will also be a lot of cheating. and it will favor Obama's favorite "vulnerable populations" of guaranteed Democratic voters.

Indeed we are better off without the whole thing. RP has it just right that anything "bipartisan" is some awful creepy NWO shit.
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RP needs to take his wrinkly-assed, uni-browed, disrespecting self off to a creaky rocking chair and talk to his dog, or the rug and retire already. Freaking looney-toon, wackadoo, hating old lizard that he is.
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you can suck his AND my dicks until you puke a dinner from last month up bb!!! lmao
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That sounds just aweful!
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They claim 20 dependents, so they won't mind.
Night-time news stated they scam 5 billion a year claiming each others children for the ones who do file taxes.
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RP needs to take his wrinkly-assed, uni-browed, disrespecting self off to a creaky rocking chair and talk to his dog, or the rug and retire already. Freaking looney-toon, wackadoo, hating old lizard that he is.
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you can suck his AND my dicks until you puke a dinner from last month up bb!!! lmao
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That sounds just aweful!
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awe
[aw] Show IPA noun, verb, awed, aw·ing.

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an overwhelming feeling of reverence, admiration, fear, etc., produced by that which is grand, sublime, extremely powerful, or the like: in awe of God; in awe of great political figures.

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Archaic. power to inspire fear or reverence.
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RP needs to take his wrinkly-assed, uni-browed, disrespecting self off to a creaky rocking chair and talk to his dog, or the rug and retire already. Freaking looney-toon, wackadoo, hating old lizard that he is.
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you can suck his AND my dicks until you puke a dinner from last month up bb!!! lmao
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That sounds just aweful!
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awe
[aw] Show IPA noun, verb, awed, aw·ing.

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an overwhelming feeling of reverence, admiration, fear, etc., produced by that which is grand, sublime, extremely powerful, or the like: in awe of God; in awe of great political figures.

2.
Archaic. power to inspire fear or reverence.
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Well played AC
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RP needs to take his wrinkly-assed, uni-browed, disrespecting self off to a creaky rocking chair and talk to his dog, or the rug and retire already. Freaking looney-toon, wackadoo, hating old lizard that he is.
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you can suck his AND my dicks until you puke a dinner from last month up bb!!! lmao
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That sounds just aweful!
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awe
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Archaic. power to inspire fear or reverence.
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chuckle
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Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language. We have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

TR was a progressive. I don't admire him, nor do I agree with almost the totality of his views, but I do see a good common ground for the above view on immigration.

I don't need to argue RP's points. They are pretty meaningless to me. If this country enforced the already substantive immigration laws, and made clear that it is in fact illegal, enforced them as such, then we'd be a lot better off.

In 1830, Mexico passed a law banning almost all immigration from the United States and provided for military garrisons along its border to enforce it.

Should you be unlucky enough to stray into North Korea, you are shot for your trouble.

Australia often turns you around and puts you on the first plane out of the country.

But here in the US they demonize those who would have us simply enforce already existing laws on the books for decades.

Lets have a look at the Mexican Constitution shall we? (reference: Center for Security Policy)

1) Foreigners may not participate in political affairs in any way. (Article 33)

2) Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners for employment, and Mexican citizenship by birth is considered indispensable for certain jobs such as airline crews, military officers, chiefs of seaports and airports. (Article 32)

3) Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization may acquire ownership of land, water or their appurtenances. (Article 27)

4) Any Mexican private citizen may arrest someone committing a crime such as an alien in the country illegally and hand him or her over to authorities for prosecution. (Article 16)

5) Immigrants may not become lawmakers, cabinet officers, or a Supreme Court Justice, or even a clergyman, but must be a native born Mexican. (Articles 55, 91, 95 and 130)

Getting the picture yet? America has THE softest illegal immigration on the planet. Were the US to enforce the same items that the Mexican Constitution does we would be condemned more than we already are.

I am not suggesting that we adopt the Mexican Constitution, however we should enforce the laws on ILLEGAL immigration that we already have, and enforce the laws existing about legally obtaining citizenship through legal immigration.

No amnesty. No wink and nods. No breaks for employers using bogus SS cards or id. No anchor babies. No welfare or government assistance for ILLEGAL immigrants. Period.
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paint mcains face red and whala! hes captain america's nazi nemesis.
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Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language. We have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

TR was a progressive. I don't admire him, nor do I agree with almost the totality of his views, but I do see a good common ground for the above view on immigration.

I don't need to argue RP's points. They are pretty meaningless to me. If this country enforced the already substantive immigration laws, and made clear that it is in fact illegal, enforced them as such, then we'd be a lot better off.

In 1830, Mexico passed a law banning almost all immigration from the United States and provided for military garrisons along its border to enforce it.

Should you be unlucky enough to stray into North Korea, you are shot for your trouble.

Australia often turns you around and puts you on the first plane out of the country.

But here in the US they demonize those who would have us simply enforce already existing laws on the books for decades.

Lets have a look at the Mexican Constitution shall we? (reference: Center for Security Policy)

1) Foreigners may not participate in political affairs in any way. (Article 33)

2) Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners for employment, and Mexican citizenship by birth is considered indispensable for certain jobs such as airline crews, military officers, chiefs of seaports and airports. (Article 32)

3) Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization may acquire ownership of land, water or their appurtenances. (Article 27)

4) Any Mexican private citizen may arrest someone committing a crime such as an alien in the country illegally and hand him or her over to authorities for prosecution. (Article 16)

5) Immigrants may not become lawmakers, cabinet officers, or a Supreme Court Justice, or even a clergyman, but must be a native born Mexican. (Articles 55, 91, 95 and 130)

Getting the picture yet? America has THE softest illegal immigration on the planet. Were the US to enforce the same items that the Mexican Constitution does we would be condemned more than we already are.

I am not suggesting that we adopt the Mexican Constitution, however we should enforce the laws on ILLEGAL immigration that we already have, and enforce the laws existing about legally obtaining citizenship through legal immigration.

No amnesty. No wink and nods. No breaks for employers using bogus SS cards or id. No anchor babies. No welfare or government assistance for ILLEGAL immigrants. Period.
 Quoting: Caliigirl


Fine, and when did Ron Paul disagree in any of that? Ron Paul is against illegal immigration as much as you are, he's only adding to the whole argument that ending government welfare which applies to illegals would make it even less likely for them to wish to come in the first place. How is that a bad point?

Btw that Roosevelt quote pretty much dooms all those pesky dual citizens in power nowadays.
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Oh my! Paying back taxes when working illegally, to become legal. I'll stay underground, thank you very much.
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I hope it's unpalatable enough that nobody will take up the offer. But unfortunately, some will, probably the least desirable ones in some way. Like those who have just been mooching off food stamps rather than working, therefore having no income -- they'll just get to keep taking food stamps for their litter until they get legal.
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You really think Obama will get strict with the conditions? They will give amnesty to all of them, those who work, those who leech, those who commit crime, ALL OF THEM. Doing otherwise would be discriminatory .
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As usual you spout propaganda. The legislation is giving the IRS power to pursue those who wish to obtain amnesty -- back taxes on YEARS of undeclared income. You really think the IRS gives a damn about your partisan bullshit, when there's money to be had?
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Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language. We have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

TR was a progressive. I don't admire him, nor do I agree with almost the totality of his views, but I do see a good common ground for the above view on immigration.

I don't need to argue RP's points. They are pretty meaningless to me. If this country enforced the already substantive immigration laws, and made clear that it is in fact illegal, enforced them as such, then we'd be a lot better off.

In 1830, Mexico passed a law banning almost all immigration from the United States and provided for military garrisons along its border to enforce it.

Should you be unlucky enough to stray into North Korea, you are shot for your trouble.

Australia often turns you around and puts you on the first plane out of the country.

But here in the US they demonize those who would have us simply enforce already existing laws on the books for decades.

Lets have a look at the Mexican Constitution shall we? (reference: Center for Security Policy)

1) Foreigners may not participate in political affairs in any way. (Article 33)

2) Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners for employment, and Mexican citizenship by birth is considered indispensable for certain jobs such as airline crews, military officers, chiefs of seaports and airports. (Article 32)

3) Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization may acquire ownership of land, water or their appurtenances. (Article 27)

4) Any Mexican private citizen may arrest someone committing a crime such as an alien in the country illegally and hand him or her over to authorities for prosecution. (Article 16)

5) Immigrants may not become lawmakers, cabinet officers, or a Supreme Court Justice, or even a clergyman, but must be a native born Mexican. (Articles 55, 91, 95 and 130)

Getting the picture yet? America has THE softest illegal immigration on the planet. Were the US to enforce the same items that the Mexican Constitution does we would be condemned more than we already are.

I am not suggesting that we adopt the Mexican Constitution, however we should enforce the laws on ILLEGAL immigration that we already have, and enforce the laws existing about legally obtaining citizenship through legal immigration.

No amnesty. No wink and nods. No breaks for employers using bogus SS cards or id. No anchor babies. No welfare or government assistance for ILLEGAL immigrants. Period.
 Quoting: Caliigirl


Nice easy to follow rules sounds good to me. It's gets laughable when on the one hand they say you are illegal, but in the other say "dont worry about it, there's lots of eager employers willing to hire you once you're here." On the face of it Mexico sounds strict but actually after clearly laying down the ground rules it is quite easy for foreigners to get legal papers to start a business, get employment, buy property or retire...
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He would have been great as President.

Thank you Dr. Paul
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He would have been great as President.

Thank you Dr. Paul
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hippobmp
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That's worth one more bump
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He would have been great as President.

Thank you Dr. Paul
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That's worth one more bump
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No I don't. But he's a nut and I'm not afraid to say so. I have high hopes for Rand, but RP needs a time out.
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Be honest with us, you a beaner?
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Be honest, are you a racist?

My last name traces back from the revolution.

And, Still, someone in america(anywhere) deserves the respect.
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They claim 20 dependents, so they won't mind.
Night-time news stated they scam 5 billion a year claiming each others children for the ones who do file taxes.
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Illegals dont file taxes. Their illegal employers dont issue income tax receipts, either. Duh!
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Oh my! Paying back taxes when working illegally, to become legal. I'll stay underground, thank you very much.
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No you won't you'll get an RFID chip like everyone else if you don't the drones will take you out. You will need one or you will be subject to extermination. Report to your local post office to be tagged failure do so will result in your extermination. This has been a message from the emergency broadcast system.
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RP needs to take his wrinkly-assed, uni-browed, disrespecting self off to a creaky rocking chair and talk to his dog, or the rug and retire already. Freaking looney-toon, wackadoo, hating old lizard that he is.
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Somebody wants to give back a part of America to Mexico.
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what do you expect from california illegal girl?
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lol. Just because I'm from California doesn't mean that I'm Hispanic (I'm not). On my mothers side, my grandmothers great aunts emigrated from France. They started a milliner shop in Hannibal Missouri and knew Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain). My father's side emigrated from England to the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1638. Needless to say, I'm against illegal immigration.

I also tend to think RP is about as useful as a one-legged kicker at the Super Bowl.

There are ways to solve this that would succeed and, taking the advice of RP isn't one of them.
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Oh, you just hate us for our freedoms, is that it?
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He would have been great as President.

Thank you Dr. Paul
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hippobmp
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That's worth one more bump
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1rof1
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White Americans better begin organizing them militias because you're living in the enemy's land right now.


Hah 'white Americans' and ever other American is coool calm & collected.
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They claim 20 dependents, so they won't mind.
Night-time news stated they scam 5 billion a year claiming each others children for the ones who do file taxes.
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Eric will get right on it when he finishes running guns to the cartels!

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White Americans better begin organizing them militias because you're living in the enemy's land right now.


Hah 'white Americans' and ever other American is coool calm & collected.


The rest can prepare to rape themselves some white wimminz and rule over the wastelands.
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paint mcains face red and whala! hes captain america's nazi nemesis.
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McCain should come out of the closet and admit he's a hawkish democrat already.

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Oh my! Paying back taxes when working illegally, to become legal. I'll stay underground, thank you very much.
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Why don't you stay underground in your own country, you short, dumpy, greaseball?

And another thing... Keep your little peter in your pants. Stop cranking out redundant clones of yourself.

We've got ENOUGH criminals running around.

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