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Death by medicine.

 
Lars
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02/06/2013 03:43 AM
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Death by medicine.
And people say guns are dangerous. Take a look at these stats.


[link to mnhopkins.blogspot.se]

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Best to stay far away.
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you don't have to worry op

you live in a good country

sweden

better healthcare and more competent docs

you don't have the issues we do with corruption
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02/06/2013 07:22 AM
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Best to stay far away.
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I agree whole heatedly. I haven't been to a Doctor in over 12 years. Got tired of their guessing games and incompetence. Had better luck with homeopaths & osteopaths.
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you don't have to worry op

you live in a good country

sweden

better healthcare and more competent docs

you don't have the issues we do with corruption
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It's free but the problems are the same and a Doctor here can kills a dozen and nothing will happen to him. The State monitors the State and they are not telling how bad the medicine is here. The Sweidh docs kill their fair share also.
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02/06/2013 07:29 AM
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Here is a true story on the competewnce in the Swedih helth care system:

[link to mnhopkins.blogspot.se]
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02/06/2013 07:32 AM
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YEAH THAT IS WHEN THE ORKIN MAN COMES IN AN SPRAYS ALL THE PRESCRIPTIONS.

DID RITE AID SELL ME 100% CYANIDE RX?

WHY YES LEMOYNE, PA YOU DID.

ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHITE VAN MAN LACHLAN DEMOLAY L.B. FORD FROM KINGDOM SAUDI ARABIA AND DEAD LACY PETERSON FAME.

OH WAS CONNOR A PITOCIN BABY FROM "SHARKS ARE US" DENMARK KENNEDY FROM THE "RENO NEVADA FERTILITY STOCK"

VITAMIN D.

OFF IN RENO.

BY WAY OF OKLAHOMA.
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02/06/2013 07:36 AM
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They're not trying to making healthy & vital people...in fact they want to make the exact opposite.
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02/06/2013 07:38 AM
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Yes, making people sick and keeping them sick is more profitable than good health.

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02/06/2013 07:39 AM
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And they all wanted obamacare
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They're not trying to making healthy & vital people...in fact they want to make the exact opposite.
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HAY MAN THERE IS A LOT OF XYLON-B TO USE WHEN THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD IS NOT THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY.

OH DID THEY TAKE YOUR COMPANY WRATH OF CONN (ME)?

QUESTION?

ANSWER?

YES IRISH PATENT OFFICE TRYING TO STEAL IT ALL.
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02/06/2013 07:54 AM
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I remember reading someplace that we now know as modern medicine was initially funded by the Rockefellers. There used a variety of rivalling schools of thought on medicine such as Natural Hygiene for instance, but the Rockefellers funded university programs promoting the now established consenus on medical issues. Curiously enough, they were also the ones manufacturing the drugs. Or at least it was something like that.
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They're not trying to making healthy & vital people...in fact they want to make the exact opposite.
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HAY MAN THERE IS A LOT OF XYLON-B TO USE WHEN THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD IS NOT THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY.

OH DID THEY TAKE YOUR COMPANY WRATH OF CONN (ME)?

QUESTION?

ANSWER?

YES IRISH PATENT OFFICE TRYING TO STEAL IT ALL.
 Quoting: ICBM COMING FOR YOU 1351603


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And they all wanted obamacare
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I haven't looked much into it, but I would say it's better for business than people by the actions of this administration.
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02/06/2013 08:02 AM
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I remember reading someplace that we now know as modern medicine was initially funded by the Rockefellers. There used a variety of rivalling schools of thought on medicine such as Natural Hygiene for instance, but the Rockefellers funded university programs promoting the now established consenus on medical issues. Curiously enough, they were also the ones manufacturing the drugs. Or at least it was something like that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33728740


There is a connection betweenoil and meds. They found that a bi product from oil could be used to make medical compounds and from there Pharma was born. It's all about the money.
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02/06/2013 08:05 AM
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This is a great documentary if you have not seen it OP:



hf
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02/06/2013 08:38 AM
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This is a great documentary if you have not seen it OP:



hf
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Thanks, I'll take a look now. :)

hf
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I remember reading someplace that we now know as modern medicine was initially funded by the Rockefellers. There used a variety of rivalling schools of thought on medicine such as Natural Hygiene for instance, but the Rockefellers funded university programs promoting the now established consenus on medical issues. Curiously enough, they were also the ones manufacturing the drugs. Or at least it was something like that.
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in about 1900

there was a battle between allopathic medicine - modern

and natural-homeopathic

john d rockefellar lead the charge to have allopathic medicine in this

country and funded it with a lot of money


may he rot in hell
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Here's another true health care story nightmare from Sweden.

[link to mnhopkins.blogspot.se]

You can late 8 to 10 hours in the emergency room before seeing a doctor and better bring you own water or food...no one will offer you any. More than one has died witing to see a doc.
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02/06/2013 09:20 AM
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I remember reading someplace that we now know as modern medicine was initially funded by the Rockefellers. There used a variety of rivalling schools of thought on medicine such as Natural Hygiene for instance, but the Rockefellers funded university programs promoting the now established consenus on medical issues. Curiously enough, they were also the ones manufacturing the drugs. Or at least it was something like that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33728740


in about 1900

there was a battle between allopathic medicine - modern

and natural-homeopathic

john d rockefellar lead the charge to have allopathic medicine in this

country and funded it with a lot of money


may he rot in hell
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Yep, the oil family found another way to make money with Pharma shit from oil.bump
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I remember reading someplace that we now know as modern medicine was initially funded by the Rockefellers. There used a variety of rivalling schools of thought on medicine such as Natural Hygiene for instance, but the Rockefellers funded university programs promoting the now established consenus on medical issues. Curiously enough, they were also the ones manufacturing the drugs. Or at least it was something like that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33728740


in about 1900

there was a battle between allopathic medicine - modern

and natural-homeopathic

john d rockefellar lead the charge to have allopathic medicine in this

country and funded it with a lot of money


may he rot in hell
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Yep, the oil family found another way to make money with Pharma shit from oil.bump
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yes

big pharma is one arm of the beast today
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yes

big pharma is one arm of the beast today
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to me it's its most horrible and scandalous arm
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crime is crime, industry is industry, care is care

what we have here is an industry of crime posturing as a Care one
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02/07/2013 03:19 AM
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yes

big pharma is one arm of the beast today
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to me it's its most horrible and scandalous arm
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crime is crime, industry is industry, care is care

what we have here is an industry of crime posturing as a Care one
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16938172


You are so right, France. Corporations & Governemnts today run like criminal organizations. We are headed back to the Middle Ages when the Lords & Kings took what they wanted and hung anyone who got in the way.
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Oh yes, thanks for the llink, France. :)
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I love unbalanced stats.
They always appeal to an unbalanced mind.
As for comparing it to gun deaths, oh come on.

Firstly, does this "Dr" Carolyn Dean have an agenda to push?
Yes she does indeed.
She was found unfit to practice and struck off the medical register in 1995.
Why?
"She did not individualize her patients and objectively try to reach an appropriate diagnosis and treatment. Rather she allowed her bias toward candidiasis and perceived immunodeficiency problems to cause her to pre-diagnose patients without individualizing them."

Nasty.

Obviously now she has her own website promoting and selling a menagerie of woo and "natural" health cures. I'd be sooo disappointed if she didn't.

What I always find alerts me to potential quacks such as her is their propensity to try to sell via shock tactics or put-downs rather than on the benefits and successes of what they promote.
You never see reputable health stores and websites doing that but you always see quack sites doing it.
Unfortunately though there are many gullible people out there who fall for this.

Going back to the stats though, personally I couldn't take any "research" she does seriously and certainly after looking into the absolute number she suggests, they're over twicw what they should be.

She offers no stats for the failures and deaths caused by "natural" medicines and treatments which she should really so you can make an educated comparison.

Finally, and this is the one that always irks me, she hasn't mentioned the number of people who's lives have been saved, improved or lengthened by "conventional" medicine.
If she were to quote that, even the vastly inflated figure she's plucked out of thin air would look tiny indeed.
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Here's another true health care story nightmare from Sweden.

[link to mnhopkins.blogspot.se]

You can late 8 to 10 hours in the emergency room before seeing a doctor and better bring you own water or food...no one will offer you any. More than one has died witing to see a doc.
 Quoting: Lars 992118


Point to the nearest emergency room in a natural health centre please.

Oh, you can't can you because there are none?


Tell you what, all those bashing hospitals etc etc, please get a tattoo on your forehead stating that in case of an accident you want to be taken, without any paramedic intervention, to your nearest homeopath for treatment.


Will you all do that please?
That way you will make more room for those who appreciate the treatment these centres provide.
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02/07/2013 04:24 AM
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What a Bullshite Calculation!
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02/07/2013 08:06 AM
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Here's another true health care story nightmare from Sweden.

[link to mnhopkins.blogspot.se]

You can late 8 to 10 hours in the emergency room before seeing a doctor and better bring you own water or food...no one will offer you any. More than one has died witing to see a doc.
 Quoting: Lars 992118


Point to the nearest emergency room in a natural health centre please.

Oh, you can't can you because there are none?


Tell you what, all those bashing hospitals etc etc, please get a tattoo on your forehead stating that in case of an accident you want to be taken, without any paramedic intervention, to your nearest homeopath for treatment.


Will you all do that please?
That way you will make more room for those who appreciate the treatment these centres provide.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33443410


Often one waits 3 to 4mhours for an ambulance if one comes at all.

No tatoos. If I get an infection from the unlicensed tatoo artists in Sweden than I will go to a quack in a Sweish hospital. And my homeopath has retired and I don't kinow of a decient on in the county I live in.
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02/07/2013 08:07 AM
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What a Bullshite Calculation!
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I'd say the reality is much worst than that published calculation.
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Therapists aren't safe either:

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Even after years of therapy, Dr. Eugene Kester would fantasize about the sex he had had with female patients and experience what he called "euphoric recall."

A psychiatrist, Kester knew he wasn't cured and still needed help
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One of the patients he molested committed suicide. Nice guy.
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