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What Was Actually Seen and Heard at Sandy Hook Elementary

 
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100 Rounds AR-15 fire confused with "pots and pans falling" "the janitor setting up tables and rafters in the gym" and "someone kicking the door."

Not one bloody shoe, or any bloody footprints leaving the school, and no reports of anyone kicking or stepping on any empty bullets shells as they exit.

Where is Rick Thorne- the supposed hero janitor who told Adam Lanza to put his gun down?

It appears as though Rick Thorne didn't even work at Sandy Hook- there is no video evidence of him, and the news has never tried to interview him.

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The girl in the beginning just blows the whole timeline out.
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The reporter "Chris Cuomo" is the little brother of Andrew Cuomo, Governor of NYS who passed a gun control law very shortly after this event in CT.
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Kevin Anzellotti is supposedly the janitor... only saw Rick Thorne mentioned in that NYDN piece...


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Nobody heard rifle shots because it was a shotgun that was the murder weapon. NOBODY except police have stated they heards "rifle" shots specifically.
Every child describes the noise as janitors moving tables, thuds,booms, someone kicking a door, etc. Loud but dull noises very unlike high velocity bullets would make.
I even found a shotgun shell in the parking lot. There's a picture of a cop with 2 women and child running from the front of the school.Look on the right behind the row of cars. Photo here: [link to www.pennlive.com]

Ever wonder how the glass near the door had such a large hole blown in it? Wonder why the kids weren't shown to the parents post-mortem? Why Carver said "the long weapon was used"? Why the children were so disfigured that they had closed casket ceremonies? If you are shot in the face with a .223 it leaves a hole in the front. The back of the head might is where the real damage is. Morticians can easily plug holes in a body but can't reconstruct a face hit by a shotgun blast.

Why seal the case for 90 days if it was a cut and dry murder/suicide mission by Adam Lanza? Why all the confusion over what weapons were found and where?

Wonder why each victims was reported hit so many times? Buckshot was used which would be far more efficient for that type of mass slaughter. Same deal happened at Aurora - many victims but most only had a couple pellets of #4 shot.
It also explains why they reported long rifles and shotguns on the police scanner less than 10 minutes after police arrived.

Keep this in mind when you find more details. I'm 90% positive this is the case.
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I wish you had added in what was NOT heard, namely sirens.

I made a youtube video but I'm crap at it so I am hoping someone will make a better vid incorperating the info.

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Previous thread:

Thread: Evidence showing sandy hook was a drill that didn't go live until 20min AFTER shooting.

I would like someone to make a video showing that what people heard is more likely just simulated noise and unrealistic of over a hundred rounds of gunfire, coupled with nobody hearing sirens, meaning the police were already on site when the fake noises were first played over the speaker system (or arrived quietly without sirens).

This combination makes a very strong case it was just a preplanned drill.


I will watch the OP youtube vid later, I think the most damning testimony is Kaitlin Roig's, she was in the immediate area yet doesn't report loud noises, was able to talk to her kids in a loving and caring way while hundreds of shots and screaming going off right nest door... riiiight.

One of her kids says he knows karate and he'll lead them out, this shows that even in the classes right next door to where the shooting supposedly occurred the noise was kept at a level that was not traumatic for the kids.

I will watch it later when I'm at a better computer.

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Here's the only mention of seeing blood that I have run across so far.

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100 Rounds AR-15 fire confused with "pots and pans falling" "the janitor setting up tables and rafters in the gym" and "someone kicking the door."

Not one bloody shoe, or any bloody footprints leaving the school, and no reports of anyone kicking or stepping on any empty bullets shells as they exit.

Where is Rick Thorne- the supposed hero janitor who told Adam Lanza to put his gun down?

It appears as though Rick Thorne didn't even work at Sandy Hook- there is no video evidence of him, and the news has never tried to interview him.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Did they check your I'd?

Remember one thing about SANDY HOOK
vISITORS are welcome
Forget. Teaching just hang out a visitors are welcome sign
Now that is VERY WiERd
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There were at least six suspects according to the police radio watch the sandy hook documentary
It has the best factual information
Apart from it missing the nun outfits by the car
That are not t shirts neither are they jackets
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The sandy hook documentary has the best compilation of the actual facts
It even rationally discusses the online reported actual real eyewitness of the shooters entry into the school
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There is only one living eye witness to the shooter entering the school
And that witness describes the fact he was let in because he was thoughts to be a catholic priest.
There are no other living eyewitnesses
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I think there were more than one shooter. All the doors on the Honda were open. Looks to me like a car load of people arrived and went round back of the school threw a window. Remember the guy in camo pants and black shirt. Then there was the bomb threat at the church where the morners went the next day. The caller said he was a friend of Adam. That was reported on Yahoo news. What about the Van? We know there was a purple van with windows shot out of it, so why are they not saying anything about it. One think for sure , lots of loose ends
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I think there were more than one shooter.
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I think there was less than one shooter and that is why the eyewitnesses describe sounds that are consistent with a poorly simulated, rather than actual, shooting.
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Operation Canned Goods....Know it?

And yet, with all we know, the Communist New Network
continues to function as the enemy with in while
our childern die in far away land, presumably to bring
liberty to ignorant savages.skull_fing
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Nobody heard rifle shots because it was a shotgun that was the murder weapon. NOBODY except police have stated they heards "rifle" shots specifically.
Every child describes the noise as janitors moving tables, thuds,booms, someone kicking a door, etc. Loud but dull noises very unlike high velocity bullets would make.
I even found a shotgun shell in the parking lot. There's a picture of a cop with 2 women and child running from the front of the school.Look on the right behind the row of cars. Photo here: [link to www.pennlive.com]

Ever wonder how the glass near the door had such a large hole blown in it? Wonder why the kids weren't shown to the parents post-mortem? Why Carver said "the long weapon was used"? Why the children were so disfigured that they had closed casket ceremonies? If you are shot in the face with a .223 it leaves a hole in the front. The back of the head might is where the real damage is. Morticians can easily plug holes in a body but can't reconstruct a face hit by a shotgun blast.

Why seal the case for 90 days if it was a cut and dry murder/suicide mission by Adam Lanza? Why all the confusion over what weapons were found and where?

Wonder why each victims was reported hit so many times? Buckshot was used which would be far more efficient for that type of mass slaughter. Same deal happened at Aurora - many victims but most only had a couple pellets of #4 shot.
It also explains why they reported long rifles and shotguns on the police scanner less than 10 minutes after police arrived.

Keep this in mind when you find more details. I'm 90% positive this is the case.
 Quoting: Bittercritter 26255514


I wonder how Noah Pozner was shot 11 times, more than any other victim, and still had an open casket...with much of his face showing (just a cloth covering the lower part of it).
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The reporter "Chris Cuomo" is the little brother of Andrew Cuomo, Governor of NYS who passed a gun control law very shortly after this event in CT.
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Interesting.....
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I see that Chris Cuomo went to Yale. I wonder if he's a Bonesman.....
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Kevin Anzellotti is supposedly the janitor... only saw Rick Thorne mentioned in that NYDN piece...


[link to aangirfan.blogspot.com]
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Yes, Kevin Anzellotti... Media said he was a hero, locking doors and screaming for gunman to put gun down.

Same guy who's friend on facebook outed him saying how he was on VACATION !!

Some hero!!

[link to krystle-ann.blogspot.com]
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Kevin Anzellotti is supposedly the janitor... only saw Rick Thorne mentioned in that NYDN piece...


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Yes, Kevin Anzellotti... Media said he was a hero, locking doors and screaming for gunman to put gun down.

Same guy who's friend on facebook outed him saying how he was on VACATION !!

Some hero!!

[link to krystle-ann.blogspot.com]
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Also, being as he supposedly told the gunman (or men) to put the gun down, he then should've had a good view of the suspect....Making him a witness.


And... when I think of the thread title (seen and heard)
I think of the inconsistency with media saying the gunman said no words as he killed, then the teacher saying he was pounding door yelling "let me in"....Said it before and I'll say it again, why would he bother yelling that when he can just shoot his way in? Makes no sense.
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I wonder how Noah Pozner was shot 11 times, more than any other victim, and still had an open casket...with much of his face showing (just a cloth covering the lower part of it).
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Yeah, according to the Naomi Zeveloff reported in the Jewish Daily Forward.

No disrespect intended to the Pozner family, or the Jewish Daily Forward.

I looked for the alleged photograph of the Pozner victim.

FOUND NOTHING...

Seeing is believing.

Sorry Folks...Zero Credibility...

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Here we have the Pozner family making the Governor look at the victim....

Heart rendering?...or perhaps a melodramatic agenda driven Psy-Op?

The photo of V. Pozner looks more like anger than anguish?
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Veronique Pozner, whose six-year-old son Noah was killed at Sandy Hook

She testified, with a few others, at last week's gun control hearings.

After the shootings, she insisted on seeing Noah's body, not a photograph of it.

she insisted on an open casket at his funeral.

She also purposefully brought the governor to look at it because, "If there is ever a piece of legislation that comes across his desk, I needed it to be real for him.” It was real.

Noah took 11 bullets. His mouth and jaw were blown away;

A cloth covered that part of his face. Most of his left hand was gone.

The governor wept. Maybe he'll remember.
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I wonder how Noah Pozner was shot 11 times, more than any other victim, and still had an open casket...with much of his face showing (just a cloth covering the lower part of it).
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


He could have been hit with 11 pieces of shot rather than bullets if it was a shotgun that was used.
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Could Rick Thorne potentially be one of the wounded survivors, the unidentified adult, taken to the hospital?
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Could Rick Thorne potentially be one of the wounded survivors, the unidentified adult, taken to the hospital?
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the first injured victim was natalie hammond in her foot and the second should be the woman (forgot who) who got shot while trying to keep the door closed (in her arm and foot)
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Kevin Anzellotti is supposedly the janitor... only saw Rick Thorne mentioned in that NYDN piece...


[link to aangirfan.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33001296


Yes, Kevin Anzellotti... Media said he was a hero, locking doors and screaming for gunman to put gun down.

Same guy who's friend on facebook outed him saying how he was on VACATION !!

Some hero!!

[link to krystle-ann.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33842893


Also, being as he supposedly told the gunman (or men) to put the gun down, he then should've had a good view of the suspect....Making him a witness.


And... when I think of the thread title (seen and heard)
I think of the inconsistency with media saying the gunman said no words as he killed, then the teacher saying he was pounding door yelling "let me in"....Said it before and I'll say it again, why would he bother yelling that when he can just shoot his way in? Makes no sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33842893


Sounds like he realized he had been set up and the drill was live.

It's odd that it was claimed they let him because they thought he was a priest. Was he in priest costume, & not dressed for war?
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Here's the only mention of seeing blood that I have run across so far.


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Interesting vid. Saw it before but didn't pay much attention. Vollmer is a kindergarten teacher, according to SHE's website. The kindergarten classes are allnear the front door by the office.

How could she have left after the shooting and not seen 2 dead bodies near the office/front door?

Just a lil blood? Just a lot of odd.
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I wonder how Noah Pozner was shot 11 times, more than any other victim, and still had an open casket...with much of his face showing (just a cloth covering the lower part of it).
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


He could have been hit with 11 pieces of shot rather than bullets if it was a shotgun that was used.
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I know nothing about guns. I would think that should be something they'd clarify for those of us who have no clue about guns. When someone says he was "shot" 11 times - I think shot with bullets. If that's not the case, then they need to clarify that.
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This mother heard absolute silence. She arrived after the glass was already broken. No mention of seeing dead bodies near the entrance of the school, either.

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I know nothing about guns. I would think that should be something they'd clarify for those of us who have no clue about guns. When someone says he was "shot" 11 times - I think shot with bullets. If that's not the case, then they need to clarify that.
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


If you look at the Aurora shooting you had like 50 injured people - most of them only had a few pieces of shot in them.
This gives the police and media the ability to say that dozens were wounded though very few were seriously hurt or killed at the theater.

Mind you shot comes in different sizes - from smaller than a BB to what is known as Double OO buckshot which is around 1/3" in diameter and each shell holds 8 or 9 pieces that size.
A shotgun spreads the pattern out so that a distance of 20 ft the pellets or shot will spread out over an area of 1 ft or so allowing someone to hit multiple targets with a single shot. This is why shotguns would disfigure the victims so badly which is one reason I believe it was the primary weapon used.

Rifles and handguns on the other hand only shoot a single projectile so aim must be precise. Given what I have said which would you choose as a weapon to shoot multiple targets?
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