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Christians: How Unconditional Love Exist Where There Is Jealousy?

 
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Here is a Bible verse in the New Test that says love is not jealous: 1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient. Love is kind. Love isn't jealous. It doesn't sing its own praises. It isn't arrogant.

Here is a Bible verse in the New Test that says God is love: 1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Here is a Bible verse in the Old Test that says God is a jealous God: Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God

How do you explain that contradiction? Love is not supposed to be jealous, yet God is a jealous God. Why does his word contradict itself on this topic?
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Here is another strange passage from your bible.

Colossians 3:22

22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.
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Lol did you find this on yahoo answers?
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Lol did you find this on yahoo answers?
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Yeah haha im on my cell phone and dont have time to write very much haha
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LOL
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Deuteronomy 22: 28-29

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
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Here is a Bible verse in the New Test that says love is not jealous: 1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient. Love is kind. Love isn't jealous. It doesn't sing its own praises. It isn't arrogant.

Here is a Bible verse in the New Test that says God is love: 1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Here is a Bible verse in the Old Test that says God is a jealous God: Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God

How do you explain that contradiction? Love is not supposed to be jealous, yet God is a jealous God. Why does his word contradict itself on this topic?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.




There is no contradiction and John is correct.

God is Love is truth.

God is also wrathful, jealous, and at times down right hateful.

John is just pointing out which aspect you should focus on.


Jesus also said that if you love your mother more than me, you are not worthy of me.

He was not telling you to love your Mother less, but to love him equal, even with the least of these, my friends.

With Love,

Your Brother

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Deuteronomy 17:12

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel.
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Meant is love among ppl, the disciples of Jesus particularly.
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Here is a Bible verse in the New Test that says love is not jealous: 1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient. Love is kind. Love isn't jealous. It doesn't sing its own praises. It isn't arrogant.

Here is a Bible verse in the New Test that says God is love: 1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Here is a Bible verse in the Old Test that says God is a jealous God: Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God

How do you explain that contradiction? Love is not supposed to be jealous, yet God is a jealous God. Why does his word contradict itself on this topic?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.




There is no contradiction and John is correct.

God is Love is truth.

God is also wrathful, jealous, and at times down right hateful.

John is just pointing out which aspect you should focus on.


Jesus also said that if you love your mother more than me, you are not worthy of me.

He was not telling you to love your Mother less, but to love him equal, even with the least of these, my friends.

With Love,

Your Brother
 Quoting: IAMIAM


Yeah... how can god love us unconditionally yet be a hateful, jealous and wrathful being toward us? When it clearly states that those emotions cannot exist where love is present.
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Deuteronomy 22: 28-29

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


It is because you focus on acts of the flesh that you do not understand.


The Bible is not a book of the flesh, unless you read it with a carnal mind.

It is a book of spirit and can only be properly understood by the Spirit.


The raping of the young woman here, is stealing her heart away, even if she is reluctant to give it up.

He must pay the fifty pieces of silver, which again is not material silver - but rather spiritual silver, to her father (which as Jesus taught, is the Father in heaven *call no man your father but your father in heaven*, at which time he MUST marry her (those the bride of Christ).

Now how much silver was Jesus sacrifice worth?


30 pieces of silver.


Thus there is a remaining balance that must be paid before he can properly collect his bride.



I will pay it.

Let me ask you now my Brother,

How much is MY life worth to you?
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Here is a Bible verse in the Old Test that says God is a jealous God: Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Jer 10:11 Tell them this: ‘These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.’12But God made the earth by his power;he founded the world by his wisdom and stretched out the heavens by his understanding. 13When he thunders, the waters in the heavens roar; he makes clouds rise from the ends of the earth. He sends lightning with the rain and brings out the wind from his storehouses ... 16 he is the Maker of all things, including Israel, the tribe of his inheritance—the Lord Almighty is his name.
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Deuteronomy 22: 28-29

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


It is because you focus on acts of the flesh that you do not understand.


The Bible is not a book of the flesh, unless you read it with a carnal mind.

It is a book of spirit and can only be properly understood by the Spirit.


The raping of the young woman here, is stealing her heart away, even if she is reluctant to give it up.

He must pay the fifty pieces of silver, which again is not material silver - but rather spiritual silver, to her father (which as Jesus taught, is the Father in heaven *call no man your father but your father in heaven*, at which time he MUST marry her (those the bride of Christ).

Now how much silver was Jesus sacrifice worth?


30 pieces of silver.


Thus there is a remaining balance that must be paid before he can properly collect his bride.



I will pay it.

Let me ask you now my Brother,

How much is MY life worth to you?
 Quoting: IAMIAM


I agree. The bible is completely metaphorical. Most christians dont thought. Most believe that all of the stories are true...
In Lak`ech.
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Deuteronomy 22: 28-29

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


It is because you focus on acts of the flesh that you do not understand.


The Bible is not a book of the flesh, unless you read it with a carnal mind.

It is a book of spirit and can only be properly understood by the Spirit.


The raping of the young woman here, is stealing her heart away, even if she is reluctant to give it up.

He must pay the fifty pieces of silver, which again is not material silver - but rather spiritual silver, to her father (which as Jesus taught, is the Father in heaven *call no man your father but your father in heaven*, at which time he MUST marry her (those the bride of Christ).

Now how much silver was Jesus sacrifice worth?


30 pieces of silver.


Thus there is a remaining balance that must be paid before he can properly collect his bride.



I will pay it.

Let me ask you now my Brother,

How much is MY life worth to you?
 Quoting: IAMIAM


I agree. The bible is completely metaphorical. Most christians dont thought. Most believe that all of the stories are true...
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


The Bible is a form of control for those who are not willing to find answers for themself
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OP what stories of the bible do you doubt happened?

Im a christian that believes most things did actually happen.

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Deuteronomy 17:12

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and every man presses into it. Luke 16:16
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Deuteronomy 22: 28-29

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


It is because you focus on acts of the flesh that you do not understand.


The Bible is not a book of the flesh, unless you read it with a carnal mind.

It is a book of spirit and can only be properly understood by the Spirit.


The raping of the young woman here, is stealing her heart away, even if she is reluctant to give it up.

He must pay the fifty pieces of silver, which again is not material silver - but rather spiritual silver, to her father (which as Jesus taught, is the Father in heaven *call no man your father but your father in heaven*, at which time he MUST marry her (those the bride of Christ).

Now how much silver was Jesus sacrifice worth?


30 pieces of silver.


Thus there is a remaining balance that must be paid before he can properly collect his bride.



I will pay it.

Let me ask you now my Brother,

How much is MY life worth to you?
 Quoting: IAMIAM


I agree. The bible is completely metaphorical. Most christians dont thought. Most believe that all of the stories are true...
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


The Bible is a form of control for those who are not willing to find answers for themself
 Quoting: General Lee


Exactly. Anyone who thinks that TPTB dont have complete control over it is fooling themselves. They wrote it way back when to control the sheep and this ancient form of brainwashing is stronger than ever!
In Lak`ech.
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It is because you focus on acts of the flesh that you do not understand.


The Bible is not a book of the flesh, unless you read it with a carnal mind.

It is a book of spirit and can only be properly understood by the Spirit.


The raping of the young woman here, is stealing her heart away, even if she is reluctant to give it up.

He must pay the fifty pieces of silver, which again is not material silver - but rather spiritual silver, to her father (which as Jesus taught, is the Father in heaven *call no man your father but your father in heaven*, at which time he MUST marry her (those the bride of Christ).

Now how much silver was Jesus sacrifice worth?


30 pieces of silver.


Thus there is a remaining balance that must be paid before he can properly collect his bride.



I will pay it.

Let me ask you now my Brother,

How much is MY life worth to you?
 Quoting: IAMIAM


I agree. The bible is completely metaphorical. Most christians dont thought. Most believe that all of the stories are true...
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


The Bible is a form of control for those who are not willing to find answers for themself
 Quoting: General Lee


Exactly. Anyone who thinks that TPTB dont have complete control over it is fooling themselves. They wrote it way back when to control the sheep and this ancient form of brainwashing is stronger than ever!
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Actually, TPTB are controlled by the Bible as well.
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OP what stories of the bible do you doubt happened?

Im a christian that believes most things did actually happen.
 Quoting: Saltynoodle


Ill start with Noahs ark.
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Deuteronomy 22: 28-29

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


the bible was set up as a means for a "civilized" society back in the day. it took pieces of spiritual guidance and inter-weaved it with man's law. It is fallible because it was written by man, not god. god didn't set up the printing press. God didn't dip the pen's in the ink. God had as much to do with the bible as with the super bowl.
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I agree. The bible is completely metaphorical. Most christians dont thought. Most believe that all of the stories are true...
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


The Bible is a form of control for those who are not willing to find answers for themself
 Quoting: General Lee


Exactly. Anyone who thinks that TPTB dont have complete control over it is fooling themselves. They wrote it way back when to control the sheep and this ancient form of brainwashing is stronger than ever!
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Actually, TPTB are controlled by the Bible as well.
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Oh yeah? Care to elaborate?
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The Bible is a form of control for those who are not willing to find answers for themself
 Quoting: General Lee


Exactly. Anyone who thinks that TPTB dont have complete control over it is fooling themselves. They wrote it way back when to control the sheep and this ancient form of brainwashing is stronger than ever!
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Actually, TPTB are controlled by the Bible as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


Oh yeah? Care to elaborate?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


E.g. their trying to fullfil the Prophecies ...
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Here is a Bible verse in the New Test that says love is not jealous: 1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient. Love is kind. Love isn't jealous. It doesn't sing its own praises. It isn't arrogant.

Here is a Bible verse in the New Test that says God is love: 1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Here is a Bible verse in the Old Test that says God is a jealous God: Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God

How do you explain that contradiction? Love is not supposed to be jealous, yet God is a jealous God. Why does his word contradict itself on this topic?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


1.Jealous GOD....GOD wants to give you the desires of your heart, he cannot do it, if you give your Love to a False GOD..

2. Love meaning accusing in *Human Jealousy* are you a wife that gets jealous if your husband takes time for his mother?

Susie

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Deuteronomy 22: 28-29

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


the bible was set up as a means for a "civilized" society back in the day. it took pieces of spiritual guidance and inter-weaved it with man's law. It is fallible because it was written by man, not god. god didn't set up the printing press. God didn't dip the pen's in the ink. God had as much to do with the bible as with the super bowl.
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Exactly, especially since it was manipulated all throughout history. Constantine saved the roman empire by manipulating it way back in 325AD.
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OP what stories of the bible do you doubt happened?

Im a christian that believes most things did actually happen.
 Quoting: Saltynoodle


Ill start with Noahs ark.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


How about Jesus do you believe he was a real man? How about king David?
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Here is a Bible verse in the New Test that says love is not jealous: 1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient. Love is kind. Love isn't jealous. It doesn't sing its own praises. It isn't arrogant.

Here is a Bible verse in the New Test that says God is love: 1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Here is a Bible verse in the Old Test that says God is a jealous God: Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God

How do you explain that contradiction? Love is not supposed to be jealous, yet God is a jealous God. Why does his word contradict itself on this topic?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


1.Jealous GOD....GOD wants to give you the desires of your heart, he cannot do it, if you give your Love to a False GOD..

2. Love meaning accusing in *Human Jealousy* are you a wife that gets jealous if your husband takes time for his mother?

 Quoting: christian


So explain godlike jealousy to me then... how is it different?
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Deuteronomy 22: 28-29

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


the bible was set up as a means for a "civilized" society back in the day. it took pieces of spiritual guidance and inter-weaved it with man's law. It is fallible because it was written by man, not god. god didn't set up the printing press. God didn't dip the pen's in the ink. God had as much to do with the bible as with the super bowl.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33214007


Exactly, especially since it was manipulated all throughout history. Constantine saved the roman empire by manipulating it way back in 325AD.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


How exactly did he manipulate the ancient Scriptures by mere collecting them into one Book?
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Exactly. Anyone who thinks that TPTB dont have complete control over it is fooling themselves. They wrote it way back when to control the sheep and this ancient form of brainwashing is stronger than ever!
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


Actually, TPTB are controlled by the Bible as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


Oh yeah? Care to elaborate?
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


E.g. their trying to fullfil the Prophecies ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


They are just doing that because it is funny.
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Deuteronomy 22: 28-29

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


This was scripture for the Children of Israel..Not Gentiles.


Judaism takes a strong position against rape, with the Talmud comparing it to murder. As such, Judaism permits one to kill a rapist who is in pursuit of a woman, in order to save her from attack.

Rape of a married woman is a capital crime. (Deuteronomy 22:25)

Rape of a single woman carries a heavy monetary fine, plus the rapist has to pay reparation for embarrassment, damages and emotional anguish. The rapist also incurs lashes. This is all intended as both a deterrent and a punishment. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
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Deuteronomy 22: 28-29

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


the bible was set up as a means for a "civilized" society back in the day. it took pieces of spiritual guidance and inter-weaved it with man's law. It is fallible because it was written by man, not god. god didn't set up the printing press. God didn't dip the pen's in the ink. God had as much to do with the bible as with the super bowl.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33214007


Exactly, especially since it was manipulated all throughout history. Constantine saved the roman empire by manipulating it way back in 325AD.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


How exactly did he manipulate the ancient Scriptures by mere collecting them into one Book?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


Council of nicaea... research it.
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Deuteronomy 22: 28-29

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic


This was scripture for the Children of Israel..Not Gentiles.


Judaism takes a strong position against rape, with the Talmud comparing it to murder. As such, Judaism permits one to kill a rapist who is in pursuit of a woman, in order to save her from attack.

Rape of a married woman is a capital crime. (Deuteronomy 22:25)

Rape of a single woman carries a heavy monetary fine, plus the rapist has to pay reparation for embarrassment, damages and emotional anguish. The rapist also incurs lashes. This is all intended as both a deterrent and a punishment. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
 Quoting: christian


Whats the difference? Is it not the same god?
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