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Sandy Hook: Half real and half fake.

 
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Were you present at this funeral?
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While the students were still dead in the school ID was made by photograph. But the bodies were returned to the parents for burial who were then able to look at them.
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Sources please.


I don't think you could have fooled 20 sets of parents with fake bodies. That's a fairly inane suggestion.


No, but you could pay off however many sets of phony parents who were willing to say/do whatever they were paid to say/do. Unless you have photos of these open caskets, I call BS.
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In keeping with the "half&half" theme...

I also believe that Adam Lanza was either totally phony, or was whacked the day before (like the NH death certificate shows) and that RYAN LANZA was involved in some degree (maybe as pure patsy) to give a local flavor to these ritual killings.

Nancy Lanza...? could be sipping pina coladas down in the Caribbean as we speak...
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thats what i think about nancy...because people that owned that little pub or whatever said she had been talking for months about leaving taking adam with her somewhere....then they didnt see her for like 2months before it happened
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Did anyone see her before it happened? Did she return from whereever she went?
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I tend to believe the guy who says he saw a number of vehicles parked around the fire-station when he drove by just before 9am. Right now I lean towards no kids were at the school that day. I don't think anyone was killed at the school. The footage of guys running in the woods was a rabbit trail. Just like Adam, the police tapes, the car, Rosen, and the "magnificent thing" to name a few. Layers on the onion.

I feel Vance, some at the Newtown Bee, along with national media members, plus the local brotherhood are part of it. It's an operation years in the planning. It's main purpose was to get rid of what little of the constitution we have left. Everyone operates on a need to know basis, but some know exactly what's going on. People like the fraud "victims" (I believe there are innocent victims), news people (like Cooper), politicians (like Lieberman, Holder, Soetorro).

Most of the actions taken by the participants are fear based. For instance the overly compromised congress would much rather talk about budgets than Benghazi or Sandy Hook. I'm sure there are a lot of police and rescue workers that are having a lot of sleepless nights.

Some of the act is for profit. It's the ussual suspects. We would recognize the senior management as MI6, Mossad, CIA. They have seemingly over played their hand and woken up a hell of a lot of people with even more to follow. Very dangerous times indeed. This is just my opinion.

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Ephesians 6:12
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If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that it is not normal for family members to respond to a horrible tragedy by taking action and trying to make what they believe is a positive change in the world.

Do I have that right?
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Sure, maybe...after the grieving process is past the first stage: Shock.

Oh, that's right, these "parents" weren't shocked....they, all of them, apparetly moved straight through all the phases of grief, arriving, in the space of mere hours, at the Acceptance phase and began the heavy work of "changing the world". Such Troopers! Such Valiant Super Heroic World Changers!!!!!

I guess all those people who take months or, more often, YEARS to reach the Acceptance phase really didn't love their kids and want to change the world for them.

They were just selfish.
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From what I've read about the grief process, people can react in a variety of ways to tragic events. There isn't one way that's considered to be "normal."

I'm actually neither agreeing nor disagreeing with the proposition that some of these people could be fake.

I just find your argument rather weak because it is heavily dependent upon your opinion of how these people "should" be reacting. If you want to convince me (and others) that these people's responses are not normal, then you need need to provide some evidence to support your claims.

For instance, do some research and collect some recent peer reviewed psychological studies on grief and explain how these people are behaving abnormally compared to the findings of those studies.

Or find a few grief counselors who are willing to state on record that these parents are having atypical reactions to their children's deaths.
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if ya want to make a lie fly, you have to put some truth in with it.
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Yes, but fortunately there is hard proof of some of the deception.

We can never prove that nobody was killed that day. We can never prove that nobody was killed, in any school, on any day. It's not the sort of thing you can prove. But it's the sort of thing you assume did not happen, unless there's proof that it did.

And that's what I don't see. Which actual person do we know was killed that day. for sure? Or almost for sure? Maybe there are one or two but I just don't know about them.
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If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that it is not normal for family members to respond to a horrible tragedy by taking action and trying to make what they believe is a positive change in the world.

Do I have that right?
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Sure, maybe...after the grieving process is past the first stage: Shock.

Oh, that's right, these "parents" weren't shocked....they, all of them, apparetly moved straight through all the phases of grief, arriving, in the space of mere hours, at the Acceptance phase and began the heavy work of "changing the world". Such Troopers! Such Valiant Super Heroic World Changers!!!!!

I guess all those people who take months or, more often, YEARS to reach the Acceptance phase really didn't love their kids and want to change the world for them.

They were just selfish.
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From what I've read about the grief process, people can react in a variety of ways to tragic events. There isn't one way that's considered to be "normal."

I'm actually neither agreeing nor disagreeing with the proposition that some of these people could be fake.

I just find your argument rather weak because it is heavily dependent upon your opinion of how these people "should" be reacting. If you want to convince me (and others) that these people's responses are not normal, then you need need to provide some evidence to support your claims.

For instance, do some research and collect some recent peer reviewed psychological studies on grief and explain how these people are behaving abnormally compared to the findings of those studies.

Or find a few grief counselors who are willing to state on record that these parents are having atypical reactions to their children's deaths.
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You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. Please, there's plenty of proof-beyond-a-reasonable-doubt of deception here. You can always come up with more evidence, harder to get evidence, an impossible standard, but really it's proved, and no effort should be wasted on giving you what you gratuitously ask for.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Half real and half fake.

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From what I've read about the grief process, people can react in a variety of ways to tragic events. There isn't one way that's considered to be "normal."

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What is strange is that all the families shown was on the same "Acceptance" step and very quickly...
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If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that it is not normal for family members to respond to a horrible tragedy by taking action and trying to make what they believe is a positive change in the world.

Do I have that right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


Sure, maybe...after the grieving process is past the first stage: Shock.

Oh, that's right, these "parents" weren't shocked....they, all of them, apparetly moved straight through all the phases of grief, arriving, in the space of mere hours, at the Acceptance phase and began the heavy work of "changing the world". Such Troopers! Such Valiant Super Heroic World Changers!!!!!

I guess all those people who take months or, more often, YEARS to reach the Acceptance phase really didn't love their kids and want to change the world for them.

They were just selfish.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


From what I've read about the grief process, people can react in a variety of ways to tragic events. There isn't one way that's considered to be "normal."

I'm actually neither agreeing nor disagreeing with the proposition that some of these people could be fake.

I just find your argument rather weak because it is heavily dependent upon your opinion of how these people "should" be reacting. If you want to convince me (and others) that these people's responses are not normal, then you need need to provide some evidence to support your claims.

For instance, do some research and collect some recent peer reviewed psychological studies on grief and explain how these people are behaving abnormally compared to the findings of those studies.

Or find a few grief counselors who are willing to state on record that these parents are having atypical reactions to their children's deaths.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


Um, all due respect, why on earth would I or any other human being need a person with letters next to their names tell me what's normal.

I'm alive and human, and have been for 50 years. I have family. I've lost loved ones, including a child. I've know others who have as well.

Now, I could see if one or two parents weren't broken down with greif, or had swollen eyes, or even shed a single tear. But ALL OF THEM? Not a single actual tear shed on camera by a single family member of a single victim! NOT. ONE.

Now, you write and seem like a rational person. I'd like to think you are here to find the truth or at least assist in than process.

Having said that, I find your argument specious and your tone ingratiating and I don't trust you. My gut tells me you're either having a laugh playing devil's advocate or you're here to undermine the truth. Either way, it doesn't matter. I know what I know.
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Were you present at this funeral?
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While the students were still dead in the school ID was made by photograph. But the bodies were returned to the parents for burial who were then able to look at them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13806508


Sources please.


I don't think you could have fooled 20 sets of parents with fake bodies. That's a fairly inane suggestion.
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No, but you could pay off however many sets of phony parents who were willing to say/do whatever they were paid to say/do. Unless you have photos of these open caskets, I call BS.


Why the fuck would there be photos of these kids in their open caskets on the internet?
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It is looking more and more like half (perhaps slightly more) of this "tragedy" was faked, perhaps more. It is important to note that some kids (and perhaps 2-3 adults) were, indeed, killed. They need that to haul out a real parent or loved one at rare points (maybe not even done this yet) who will show real emotion and have iron clad proof someone is missing from their homes in order to debunk the faked elements of the event.

Planted in with the real tragedy are these crisis actors who were paid very well to pretend they lost children (or were at least connected parents of those who didn't, like "The Phelpses")--The Hockleys, Neil Heslin, D'Avino, Parkers, "Nurse" Sally, Rekoses, the Pozner freak, etc., who are the loudest gun grabbers.

The school appears to have only been big enough to house 1/3 to 1/2 the number of kids we were told it had. The crowd at the fire station was way too small for more, and the diagram of the interior shows room for only 8-14 classrooms, with only 8 labeled as such.

They intentionally made the various elements of this, fake overlaid onto real, in order to make research hard and denial easy.
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I tend to agree as most people seem to be jumping to the FULL HOAX angle which I don't think is 100% correct.

The way I see it...
After the "event" Sandy Hook Elementary was closed for the "investigation" and the kids were sent to a different nearby school when they returned from Christmas break (Chalk Hill which was conveniently already vacant). This new school was then RENAMED to Sandy Hook Elementary OFFICIALLY after the event. Want to know why there weren't 600 kids at the SH school or fire house right after the event? Want to know why 600+ parents didn't rush to the scene to get their kids like would be expected? It's because the kids were already at the OTHER SCHOOL (Chalk Hill which at the time was "unofficial" Sandy Hook Elementary). Go find some pictures of Chalk Hill school during the morning of Dec 14, 2012 if you want your smoking gun.

Well anyways, the question then becomes if everyone was at a DIFFERENT school (Chalk Hill which at the time had the SAME name "unofficially" which was later changed "officially") then why were their any people at the old Sandy Hook school? Because a select few 1st grade classes (2-3 from what I can tell) went to the old school (original Sandy Hook) with a small # of staff/teachers (3-5) to "make gingerbread houses" (scheduled for 2pm that day). Now you have a controllable "operation" (~40 people total in the school). ~10 are killed for real (class 1 the Rousseau class), another ~10 were not even there to begin with (class 2 the Soto class, simply added to the victim list and victims assigned to a pre-placed "plant" family), ~3-4 teachers/admin are then killed for real (Ms Rousseau + admin staff). Soto & Anne Marie Murphy likely don't even exist they way we have been told. The remaining ~10-15 students (the 3rd class) + their teacher after hiding in their room during the event (HSEEP protocol) are then escorted out of the building (the only evacuation picture we have, the single line of students with their teacher in the parking lot) and are brought to safety to mix in with the course participants (see below).

In 2010 the original Sandy Hook Elementary was involved in a DHS HSEEP drill/training which is likely when this school was chosen for this op. The majority of the victims started attending the school or got a job at the school some time after mid 2010 (after the HSEEP training took place). A large # of these people (fake victims + families) were planted in advanced (starting in Aug 2010) to play the roles you see them playing right now. The rest of the victims I believe were likely real as I stated above (a mix).

The majority of the facts about the story we have been told came from 3 different places.

1.
Pre-Positioned Plants (starting late 2010) - Long Term Injects
People playing a specific role in this event via an unofficial "HSEEP" drill at the OLD Sandy Hook Elementary. These people play their specific roles, and input their small piece to the story to help shape it (referred to as injects). These plants became much more important as time goes on (as they are the ones that are shoved in our faces via the MSM and used to shape the official script ). A few examples examples of plants are Gene Rosen, the Sotos, the Parkers, the McDonalds, the Pozners...

2.
DHS/FEMA Course Eyewitnesses - Initial Injects (day of event)

An overlapping drill (in Putnam County) and a DHS/FEMA course (in Bridgeport) allow for a similar overlapping "mock" event (of 2 brothers killing their mother, stealing her guns, taking her car, driving to the school she works for, get buzzed in, shooting the teachers/admin staff they had an argument with days earlier, before targeting their mothers classroom. 1 shooter is killed by police, the other escapes (sound familiar?)) to take place during the SH event. The participants of the DHS/FEMA course (30 parents + 30 kids) do not take part in the drill itself, but instead watch the (very similar themed) active-shooter school drill (happening in Putnam County at the same time as the SH event) live via cameras. The course participants then are brought to Sandy Hook Fire House (real + drill staging area) to mix in with the real event eyewitnesses (which are very lacking). As part of the course (which dealt with children's response to a crisis situation before, during & after) were told that they would be doing "fake" aftermath interviews to get the eyewitness accounts of the "drill" (they just watched via cameras). These "course" eyewitnesses (who were useful idiots... have no idea the bait and switch that was pulled on them) were then also used to control the official story being told even more (again through controlled injects via a similar but different "mock" event). As a sidenote the DHS/FEMA course ran from 9am-4pm that day and all the "drill/course" related interviews I am referring to were only aired DURING THOSE HOURS (9am-4pm Dec 14, 2012)... The course participants likely have no idea their "fake" eyewitness report was ever shown on TV (as they only aired those specific participants interviews during the time they were busy AT THE COURSE and unable to see it themselves). This also explains the lack of emotion at the Sandy Hook Fire Station (staging area) as most the people their are part of the course (#2) or plants (#1)... the (few) real eyewitnesses were removed from the scene completely and weren't brought to the Sandy Hook Fire House (staging area).

3.
Real Eyewitnesses (lacking)

Damn near non-existent (only ~15 other people were in the building that lived). These people and their stories were never shown on the news so IMO we likely haven't heard a single actual eyewitness testimony. The real eyewitnesses statements were likely taken very quickly and mixed in with the course eyewitnesses and then quickly moved to a different location (away from public eyes).



Understand there were likely only ~30 actual people inside the OLD SH school during the event, and most the reports we heard from either came from the MSM (who pulled the data out of their ass via "official" sources which followed the script they wanted), out of a pre-positioned plant (such as Sarah Cox, Gene Rosen or Robert Parker which back that official script via added injects), or out of a course participant (useful idiot talking about a similar but different "mock" event as an additional way to tie the needed script to the real event via a bait and switch).

-Basically they have one chunk the people believe it happened like we are being "officially" told (lone gun killer - 28 dead - everything is real). This is likely incorrect.

-Another chunk of people believe that it was a total hoax (Adam Lanza doesn't exist - noone died (except maybe Nancy Lanza) - everything is fake). This is also likely incorrect.

-Then you have a small chunk of people that believe it was a mix (Adam exists but ADAM IS RYAN - some people died (about half) - everything is a mix (some real/some fake)) which I personally believe is correct.

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What people need to understand is 5 separate but related events took place to pull this off...

1.
~2pm Dec 13, 2012 - Hoboken, NJ

Ryan Lanza Arrested in Hoboken NJ
Ryan is arrested while at work in Hoboken NJ after 2 bodies are found in a nearby house (1 originally believed to be his father, the other remained unidentified). The footage of Ryan being arrested (Dec 13, 2012) was then shown AFTER the SH event (a day later on Dec 14, 2012) and presented as if he was JUST arrested (as a suspect in the SH event) which is untrue, that just how it was presented(he was arrested on Dec 13, but it was presented as if it happened on Dec 14). After the event the story was changed from Ryan killing his father in NJ to Adam killing his mother in CT. Basically a bait and switch.
sidenote: it later came out that Nancy just returned from Hoboken NJ the day before the SH Event (likely visiting her ONLY son Ryan)... I believe Ryan was arrested while at work for a non-event that day (Dec 13), and then him and his mother in NJ were killed after Ryan is taken into custody, and their bodies were then moved to CT and used for the "core" SH storyline the next day. This gave them the suspects body (Ryan which will be presented as Adam), and his mother body the day before the event. Oh and in case you haven't figured it out by now... Adam Lanza is Ryan Lanza, Ryan Lanza is Adam Lanza (they are the same person).

2.
9am-4pm Dec 14, 2012 - Bridgeport, CT

DHS/FEMA course (children's response to crisis situations)
I believe the participants from this course WATCHED the Putnam country drill (#3 - see below) live via cameras with their children (30 parents + 30 children). They were then taken to the Sandy Hook Fire House (staging area) to do post course interviews about the "mock" event (the drill they watched via cameras). Due to the Putnam country drill (#3 - see below) being of a very similar theme (2 brothers kill their mother, steal her guns, go to the school she works at as a teacher, kill the admin staff first (due to a previous arguement) and go on to mainly target their mothers class. 1 shooter is killed by first arriving police, the other shooter escapes) these DHS/FEMA course participants were able to be used basically as useful idiots to feed the wanted "mock" script into the public via initial MSM interviews by bringing them to the Sandy Hook Fire House (staging area) to do their "mock" interviews in the mix of a (unknowing) real situation.
sidenote: the course interviews in question were ONLY SHOWN ON THE DAY OF THE EVENT (Dec 14) and only BEFORE 4pm. The DHS/FEMA course ran from 9am-4pm so during this time they were free to use the course script and course interviews as the real event, closer to 4pm when the participants would start heading home, their interviews stopped airing on TV (so they wouldn't know it was presented as real), and the official story started slightly shifting to a variations of the course/drill to help further avoid suspicion.

3.
9am+ Dec 14, 2012 - Putnam County, CT

Putnam Country Active Shooter Drill (drilled in a nearby middle school).
The actual drill itself commenced at 9:30am which is the exact time the SH event is told to of taken place. This drill was the one the course participants above (#2) were watching life via cameras. Again this drill was used to create a "mock" scenario with a very similar script to the one they want told for the "real" event. The people directly involved in the drill were kept away from the SH event, as them being directly involved with the drill, they would likely put 2 and 2 together and understand wtf was going on. That is why they fed this script using 2nd party participants (#2 - see above) instead of the actual drill participants.
sidenote: i can almost guarantee the "mock" shooter (that escapes in the Putnam drill script) had the alias/name of Ryan and the "mock" shooter (that is killed in the Putnam drill) likely had the alias of Adam.

4.
9:30am Dec 14, 2012 - Newtown, CT

The Sandy Hook "Event"
The actual SH event I believe was done by 4 men (1 dressed as a priest, the other 3 dressed as nuns). Each likely had 2 guns each (1 pistol, 1 AR). They gain access to the school right before the doors auto lock (~9:25am) with weapons concealed in their robes, wait for the right timing & doors to lock, and then target kill any eyewitnesses before targeting the 2 classrooms. Ryan's body is then brought in to be left at the scene of the crime as they patsy (Ryan is presented to the public as the non-existent Adam). They leave the needed patsy guns behind with Ryan's body and leave the scene. 2 of the suspects stay behind at the scene (behind the school) and are detained about 10 mins later (off duty L.E.O.'s), and are used to feed a slight variations of the Putnam County drill script (injects) to the responders on scene, before being let go.

5.
~2:30pm Dec 14, 2012 - Newtown, CT

Suspected shooting at St Rose of Lima School
This is NOT to be mistaken with the St Rose of Lima CHURCH BOMB THREAT that came 2 days later which was a different event. The suspected shooting occurred the same day as the SH event (in the afternoon) but again was barely covered by the MSM (although footage was shown very briefly on specific networks). This NON-EVENT was done for multiple reasons, mainly confusion and adding more dynamic pieces to the event to help avoid suspicion by a lot of the people involved (which were is most cases useful idiots). Basically they did this non event (including full out police raid of the complex) mainly to create another overlap of confusion. Since men dressed as clergy/nuns were involved in the real event, then was a way to create a fake overlap of that to help cover it up (basically they did it because police were actively looking for additional suspects dressed as nuns... they needed this SRoL school non-event to stop that avenue of investigation).

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Re: Sandy Hook: Half real and half fake.
If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that it is not normal for family members to respond to a horrible tragedy by taking action and trying to make what they believe is a positive change in the world.

Do I have that right?
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Sure, maybe...after the grieving process is past the first stage: Shock.

Oh, that's right, these "parents" weren't shocked....they, all of them, apparetly moved straight through all the phases of grief, arriving, in the space of mere hours, at the Acceptance phase and began the heavy work of "changing the world". Such Troopers! Such Valiant Super Heroic World Changers!!!!!

I guess all those people who take months or, more often, YEARS to reach the Acceptance phase really didn't love their kids and want to change the world for them.

They were just selfish.
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From what I've read about the grief process, people can react in a variety of ways to tragic events. There isn't one way that's considered to be "normal."

I'm actually neither agreeing nor disagreeing with the proposition that some of these people could be fake.

I just find your argument rather weak because it is heavily dependent upon your opinion of how these people "should" be reacting. If you want to convince me (and others) that these people's responses are not normal, then you need need to provide some evidence to support your claims.

For instance, do some research and collect some recent peer reviewed psychological studies on grief and explain how these people are behaving abnormally compared to the findings of those studies.

Or find a few grief counselors who are willing to state on record that these parents are having atypical reactions to their children's deaths.
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Um, all due respect, why on earth would I or any other human being need a person with letters next to their names tell me what's normal.

I'm alive and human, and have been for 50 years. I have family. I've lost loved ones, including a child. I've know others who have as well.

Now, I could see if one or two parents weren't broken down with greif, or had swollen eyes, or even shed a single tear. But ALL OF THEM? Not a single actual tear shed on camera by a single family member of a single victim! NOT. ONE.

Now, you write and seem like a rational person. I'd like to think you are here to find the truth or at least assist in than process.

Having said that, I find your argument specious and your tone ingratiating and I don't trust you. My gut tells me you're either having a laugh playing devil's advocate or you're here to undermine the truth. Either way, it doesn't matter. I know what I know.
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I'm very sorry for the loss of your child and the other losses you've experienced. roserose
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The shot up car at Sandy Hook could have been an off duty cop who raced to the scene when he heard the 911 dispatch about a school shooting and thus had to taken out. Any good cops in Sandy Hook's police or who were known to be renegades were either off duty or were sent to another exercise in Oxford or the Catholic school that day so they could not interfere in the Gun Confisation Operation via a staged school mass murder shooting.
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If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that it is not normal for family members to respond to a horrible tragedy by taking action and trying to make what they believe is a positive change in the world.

Do I have that right?
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Sure, maybe...after the grieving process is past the first stage: Shock.

Oh, that's right, these "parents" weren't shocked....they, all of them, apparetly moved straight through all the phases of grief, arriving, in the space of mere hours, at the Acceptance phase and began the heavy work of "changing the world". Such Troopers! Such Valiant Super Heroic World Changers!!!!!

I guess all those people who take months or, more often, YEARS to reach the Acceptance phase really didn't love their kids and want to change the world for them.

They were just selfish.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


From what I've read about the grief process, people can react in a variety of ways to tragic events. There isn't one way that's considered to be "normal."

I'm actually neither agreeing nor disagreeing with the proposition that some of these people could be fake.

I just find your argument rather weak because it is heavily dependent upon your opinion of how these people "should" be reacting. If you want to convince me (and others) that these people's responses are not normal, then you need need to provide some evidence to support your claims.

For instance, do some research and collect some recent peer reviewed psychological studies on grief and explain how these people are behaving abnormally compared to the findings of those studies.

Or find a few grief counselors who are willing to state on record that these parents are having atypical reactions to their children's deaths.
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Yes. People react in many different ways to extreme grief... but some part of the astute viewer just KNOWS when something is fake, even if there are tears, no tears, giggles, whatever. Many many people had the gut feeling they were watching bad actors, too many people felt that instinctively for it to untrue. A percentage of people will know the truth, even when they do not know the facts. A lot of the main operatives in the Sandy Hook story were most certainly actors, and some of them really bad actors at that. You cannot use "I just know it" in court, but its never been wrong for me.
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And you can PROVE all of this of course.


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The people defending the logical explanation have to have proof.

Those making up outlandish conspiracy theories apparently don't need to have any proof at all.
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Unless you have photos of these open caskets, I call BS.
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Right. The parents are going to take pictures of their mutilated children and publicize them.

Once again, by this standard EVERYTHING everybody is saying is BS and you should all just drop the discussion.
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Right now I lean towards no kids were at the school that day. I don't think anyone was killed at the school.
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The vast majority of what you said is right on, but this part of your statement just does not compute. SOMEBODY would be speaking up locally if there had been no school that day and there hadn't been a "real element" to this tragedy.

Come on man, think it through. Come over to the bright side.
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Were you present at this funeral?
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While the students were still dead in the school ID was made by photograph. But the bodies were returned to the parents for burial who were then able to look at them.
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Sources please.


I don't think you could have fooled 20 sets of parents with fake bodies. That's a fairly inane suggestion.
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No, but you could pay off however many sets of phony parents who were willing to say/do whatever they were paid to say/do. Unless you have photos of these open caskets, I call BS.
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Why the fuck would there be photos of these kids in their open caskets on the internet?


Not on the internet. But,somebody in that community is eventually going to have to come public with something. Somebody down there would have pictures of bodies...or at least a body...I guarantee it (if they existed.)
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Want to know why there weren't 600 kids at the SH school or fire house right after the event? Want to know why 600+ parents didn't rush to the scene to get their kids like would be expected? It's because the kids were already at the OTHER SCHOOL (Chalk Hill which at the time was "unofficial" Sandy Hook Elementary). Go find some pictures of Chalk Hill school during the morning of Dec 14, 2012 if you want your smoking gun.


I like much of what you are saying too, but AGAIN, this doesn not fly. Some brav parent would have spoken up AT LEAST ANONYMOUSLY LONG BEFORE NOW if this were the case.

Totally, totally impossible unless all 600 sets of parents were in on it, and that is unrealistic to me...at least for now/given what we know now.
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Unless you have photos of these open caskets, I call BS.
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Right. The parents are going to take pictures of their mutilated children and publicize them.

Once again, by this standard EVERYTHING everybody is saying is BS and you should all just drop the discussion.
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No one said "parents".

Again, somebody down there would have pictures...coroner's office, police investigators, funeral home staff, etc.

We are going to have to monitor this carefully, because they will eventually produce some photos. They will have to have some proof it is from THIS TRAGEDY and not some other ritual sacrifice of theirs in some other country...

I think the fact that the authorities made such a big deal of saying how horribly mutilated these kids supposedly were was done for two big reasons:

1. as an excuse to keep the families and US from seeing any pictures.

2. to explain why the photos are inconclusive (v.v. identification) once public pressure forces them to produce some.
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The shot up car at Sandy Hook could have been an off duty cop who raced to the scene when he heard the 911 dispatch about a school shooting and thus had to taken out. Any good cops in Sandy Hook's police or who were known to be renegades were either off duty or were sent to another exercise in Oxford or the Catholic school that day so they could not interfere in the Gun Confisation Operation via a staged school mass murder shooting.
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He certainly would not have taken the time to park the vehicle in line with the others. Sorry.
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1. as an excuse to keep the families and US from seeing any pictures.

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In the world of sane people, no one gives a shit about you seeing pictures of their dead family members.

And once again, the families were able to see the bodies.

[link to www.nydailynews.com]
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I'm inclined to agree with you. It's a fact many of the Parker family pics were photoshopped to include Emilie (not how she's always on the outside of the group), same goes for The Phelps.

I found it very odd that only 1 kid had more than 1 picture in their funeral memorial pictures page (which were the same pictures given the media) except for Jesse Lewis who had all soccer pictures.

I think the pre-dating of some online materials was intentional as well, a poisoning of the well so to speak. These are all red herrings to throw us off the real issue which is the murder weapon. It wasn't an assault gun, it was a shotgun.

I do wonder if there wasn't a particular target to the killings, someone that knew something others didn't want getting out. Could it have been Lauren Rousseau since her car was shot up?

I think you're on the right track though, we need to separate the real from the unreal to find the truth.
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The bullet holes in Rousseau's car were not real evidence. One bullet hole actually ha rust inside of it and one of the other holes looks like it was shot from inside the car.
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Right now I lean towards no kids were at the school that day. I don't think anyone was killed at the school.
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The vast majority of what you said is right on, but this part of your statement just does not compute. SOMEBODY would be speaking up locally if there had been no school that day and there hadn't been a "real element" to this tragedy.

Come on man, think it through. Come over to the bright side.
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What if this wasn't a fully functioning school but a school building that they staged and used that day? The school is missing from some lists that have the local schools listed. There is a rumor that the school was closed and the kids spread around to four other elementary schools during the "gas takeover".

Many of the major players have been in Newtown/Sandy Hook for about a year.
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Want to know why there weren't 600 kids at the SH school or fire house right after the event? Want to know why 600+ parents didn't rush to the scene to get their kids like would be expected? It's because the kids were already at the OTHER SCHOOL (Chalk Hill which at the time was "unofficial" Sandy Hook Elementary). Go find some pictures of Chalk Hill school during the morning of Dec 14, 2012 if you want your smoking gun.


I like much of what you are saying too, but AGAIN, this doesn not fly. Some brav parent would have spoken up AT LEAST ANONYMOUSLY LONG BEFORE NOW if this were the case.

Totally, totally impossible unless all 600 sets of parents were in on it, and that is unrealistic to me...at least for now/given what we know now.
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I think, from pictures and videos, it is apparent that there weren't 600 people let alone 600 children. I do not have the answers but is anyone SURE there was 600 children in the school on that day?
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Lets try to work on the facts , not conjecture


We know there were more than one shooter because of the two guys they caught in the bush (one on camo pants black top).

There was a purple van that had the windows shot out seen leaving the school that was stopped down the road and they were released. Others saw this

Still don't know who the Honda really belongs to. Lance Said it's a relatives car BUT WHO'S THE RELATIVE.

There was a bomb threat at the church the next day. The caller said he was a friend on lanza.

Lots of Pedofile activity in CT. Satan worship?

High end neibourhood. Rich Daddys. Were some kids killed and some kidnapped for ransome? yes that's conjecture I admit but also possible

The DA won't talk. He says it's to protect witnesses.

The shooters seemed to target Lauren Rousseau's car and classroom.

Adam Lanza is a prime target for mind control. Plays games and listens to dark music all day which implies he might be highly suggestable. For years. He is also said to be messed up.

lOTS OF DONATIONS COMING IN BUT WHERE IS ALL THE MONEY GOING. WHO'S KEEPING TRACK.

One webpage for donations was said to be created three days befor the shooting. The article was on www.naturalnews.com
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Lets try to work on the facts , not conjecture


We know there were more than one shooter because of the two guys they caught in the bush (one on camo pants black top).

There was a purple van that had the windows shot out seen leaving the school that was stopped down the road and they were released. Others saw this

Still don't know who the Honda really belongs to. Lance Said it's a relatives car BUT WHO'S THE RELATIVE.

There was a bomb threat at the church the next day. The caller said he was a friend on lanza.

Lots of Pedofile activity in CT. Satan worship?

High end neibourhood. Rich Daddys. Were some kids killed and some kidnapped for ransome? yes that's conjecture I admit but also possible

The DA won't talk. He says it's to protect witnesses.

The shooters seemed to target Lauren Rousseau's car and classroom.

Adam Lanza is a prime target for mind control. Plays games and listens to dark music all day which implies he might be highly suggestable. For years. He is also said to be messed up.

lOTS OF DONATIONS COMING IN BUT WHERE IS ALL THE MONEY GOING. WHO'S KEEPING TRACK.

One webpage for donations was said to be created three days befor the shooting. The article was on www.naturalnews.com
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Unless you have photos of these open caskets, I call BS.
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Right. The parents are going to take pictures of their mutilated children and publicize them.

Once again, by this standard EVERYTHING everybody is saying is BS and you should all just drop the discussion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13806508


No one said "parents".

Again, somebody down there would have pictures...coroner's office, police investigators, funeral home staff, etc.

We are going to have to monitor this carefully, because they will eventually produce some photos. They will have to have some proof it is from THIS TRAGEDY and not some other ritual sacrifice of theirs in some other country...

I think the fact that the authorities made such a big deal of saying how horribly mutilated these kids supposedly were was done for two big reasons:

1. as an excuse to keep the families and US from seeing any pictures.

2. to explain why the photos are inconclusive (v.v. identification) once public pressure forces them to produce some.
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Identification at Sandy Hook is a miracle science. They identified the killed and tons of little children without the normal protocol. They KNEW it was Adam just because he had his brother's ID. They KNEW which children were murdered by taking attendance because obviously the children were so disfigured it was the only way to come to a conclusion of who was missing.
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Am I the only one bothered by the "official" answer to the 2 men running into the woods question? When asked who 'they' are, the answer always goes to the armed off-duty swat member from another town.
1. how does that explain 2 people being there? 2. how does that explain fleeing from pursuing cops? 3. finally, why is it perfectly ok for an armed man to be on school grounds? imho the "official" answer only raises further questions...wtf
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and, if he came to pick up his niece, why was he running away from the school without her instead of staying to ensure here safety. he is a trained law officer after all, why not stay and help.
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Bret Favre is all real.

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