Sandy Hook: Half real and half fake.

I haven't been following the Sandy Hook stuff as much lately but the one thing that bothers me is the parents. How any of the were able to talk on camera and not cry at all is mind boggling for me. If I lost one of my boys I'd be such a wreck! No way would I be able to talk to anyone, let alone on TV like that.

And for this to be true the conspiracy would have to involve (just for starters) every student, teacher, parent, bus driver, janitor, administrator, vendor, groundskeeper and lunchroom lady. Not possible.

Talk about not being "awake." Come on, people, there is a reality outside of computer screens and youtube videos that can't be manipulated like CGI.

If you're relying on GLP and the like for all your info on this story there is a lot that you're missing and a lot that you're being fed that is not true.

And there are people who are deliberately putting out false information in support of some of these conspiracy theories (for whatever reasons) Look into it for yourselves.

What was the "normal protocol"?

How do you know everyone was too disfigured to identify? And even so, don't you think the parents could identify them by their clothes?

And are you saying some dead children were misidentified? In which case there would be children who were supposed to be dead but are actually alive running around somewhere?

I think it is such a mixture of real and fake that it is almost impossible to figure out. There were definitely crisis actors involved as the facial recognition proves. Things were set up to spin the version the government wanted to get gun control. The Lanza story makes no sense, the guys running in the woods smells, the readiness of these crisis actors, etc. They tried to make the story fit the desired narrative and caused all these inconsistencies.

What facial recognition?

i knew it was fake, they had the story all mixed up from the beginning. it amazing to see what our "land of the free" will do to its common people :(

If there really were open caskets, well then that throws a bit of a monkey wrench into the theory that there were no dead children. I don't really know what to believe but that Pozner, as well as the McDonnells and the Sotos seem so fake to me that its really hard to believe they have dead relatives.

This is the OP.

Again...half & half.

Stick with me folks.

Some parents actually lost children, some didn't.

Some caskets may have been open (real dead) but most weren't (fake/empty caskets.)

It's really NOT all that complicated.

The crisis actors who lost no one and couldn't cry on TV and had big fancy houses that were all paid for ARE THE ONES SCREAMING THE LOUDEST FOR GUN CONTROL.

There most DEFINITELY are children who supposedly died at Sandy Hook running around somewhere. (See Tucson, and the little Greenberg family member who was at the Bar Mitzphah a week after dying.)

Far, far away...

I am truly trying to be rational and logical about this investigation. I will try to explain better the problems I see with the claim that the families are faking their grief.

I am going to structure the argument The Families are Faking their Grief as a set of syllogisms. (See here for a basic explanation of a syllogism [link to grammar.about.com] )

Sorry, I hit post by accident. I'll be back with more.

Don't get tunnel visioned into this one anomaly...i.e. that these parents, and these only (in a broadcast tragedy) are not capable of crying.

There are dozens of other anomalies that are equally important and compelling.

RE: "And for this to be true the conspiracy would have to involve (just for starters) every student..."

Not actually true. One theory is that it was an empty, decommissioned school. Just sitting there. Built in 1956, so quite old and ready to be demolished. But wait. Maybe we'll need to stage a drill...

They put the actual staging area at the fire station. So almost nobody actually sees the school. If we didn't have helicopter footage, we'd never know--

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It seems to me that 9-11 never had this fast an awareness, nationally, that there was something truly wrong with the government story. I think we are breaking through the MSM psych-stranglehold.

Yeah, I'm on pins and needles.

How many people had to be involved to put BO in office? To be sure he was never properly vetted?...To be sure not a single MSM "Journalist" asked an inconvenient question on the air?...That's quite a few folks right there...hundreds if not thousands.

How many people had to be involved to implement the progressive takeover of the US? For how many decades?

I does boggle the mind...however, it's clearly been done.

What? You wouldn't feel it was your DUTY as an American to pose smiling with the president mere hours after your tiny helpless child was gunned down by a maniac?

Selfish.

(BTW OP... nice new avatar photo...pretty!)

You people that think that this was a hoax--or a PARTIAL hoax are complete fucktards. There have been posters that have completely debunked certain theories here, but yet the tin foilers discount them--and their FACTS. Example...One poster said that they were all closed cakset funerals...multiple posters put that to shame--stating FACTS that there were open casket funerals--so yes--dead children were there. Then tin foil poster changes direction--and starts talking about how it must have been makeup--and how they just fooled the parents--that it must be some OTHER kid lying in the casket dead. OMFG!--tin foilers sound like little kids that get busted by mommy!--"Timmy I saw you--dont lie--But wait mommy--no really THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED!!--it must be THIS WAY!" Even when facts debunk your shit that comes from your mouths--you disregard and change direction, so as to avoid having to deal with said FACTS.
Here is a logical easy queastion for all you "truthers"....
If you are stupid enough to think that this was COMPLETELY fake..what 1 set of parents would agree to telling their family, friends, THE WORLD--that their child is DEAD? What 2 parents would agree to telling their kid--"hey, you wont see mommy or daddy for awhile and you wont be able to come out in public for quite some time--because the world thinks that you are DEAD." If you really think 1 pair of whacko parents might agree to traumatizing their kid this way---how about finding 20 SETS of parents to agree to this...IN THE SAME TOWN??? Do you honestlt think that this is what has happened? Answer those questions HONESTLY--and you dont need to worry about this hoax crap anymore.

Dude...
WHY ARE YOU SO PISSED OFF??????????????????????????????

he's a shill. just ignore and move on.

OK, I wrote this whole long essay, but figured that nobody would bother to read it....

So, what many people are essentially claiming is this:

1. It's possible to assess someone's general emotional state and overall reaction to a major tragedy after only observing him or her on television for, at most, 10-15 minutes. (And we'll ignore that fact that much of this footage was prerecorded and edited.)

2. Everyone who experiences a tragic loss reacts by falling apart, breaking down in tears, going into shock, etc - never mind that a good deal of recent scientific findings say otherwise. [link to faculty.tc.columbia.edu]

3. In any case, since we didn't see it on television, the Sandy Hook families never ever fell apart, went into a state of shock, or broke down in tears.

4. If somebody isn't reacting "normally" to a tragedy, then the only possible explanation is that s/he is an actor or faking the death of his or her loved one.

Therefore, the family members of the Sandy Hook victims must be actors!!



IMHO, there are some significant flaws in this argument.

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Wouldn't you agree that this event has been politicized? In fact, it happened in order to be politicized. Wouldn't the perpetrators want to get as much mileage out of this as they could? Inflict as much trauma on the public mind as possible?

I just think that if it were possible to parade a bunch of dead kids through town in ambulances, they would have. It would have been invaluable for the perps to have rescue workers, emergency room nurses and doctors, police and fire workers telling their endless tales of horror. Journalists would have been taking tickets at the front door. Why no blood in that parking lot? Why no pictures of the carnage? There is no way all of those things wouldn't have been used if they existed.

Any emergency worker would find it utterly ridiculous to leave dead children laying in their own blood for 3 days (as was originally planned.) My understanding is that police, fire, and any other emergency workers do not have the authority to pronounce anyone dead. That decision has to be made by a doctor....after every last effort has been made to save the life. Where is the doctor that pronounced everyone dead? Where was that evaluation done?

You can try to convince me that is normal behavior for a father who's six year old daughter was mowed down by bullets just hours before.

I ain't buying, but you can try.

Yes, you can.

People do react differently to immense loss, I will grant you that. What you seem to be suggesting though is that ALL of the interviewed families acted similarly, and unusually in the same way.

That dog simply won't hunt.

It is looking more and more like half (perhaps slightly more) of this "tragedy" was faked, perhaps more. It is important to note that some kids (and perhaps 2-3 adults) were, indeed, killed. They need that to haul out a real parent or loved one at rare points (maybe not even done this yet) who will show real emotion and have iron clad proof someone is missing from their homes in order to debunk the faked elements of the event.

..which ones were NOT Killed...

Charlotte Bacon, 2/22/06, female
- Daniel Barden, 9/25/05, male
- Rachel Davino, 7/17/83, female.
- Olivia Engel, 7/18/06, female
- Josephine Gay, 12/11/05, female
- Ana M. Marquez-Greene, 04/04/06, female
- Dylan Hockley, 3/8/06, male
- Dawn Hochsprung, 06/28/65, female
- Madeleine F. Hsu, 7/10/06, female
- Catherine V. Hubbard, 6/08/06, female
- Chase Kowalski, 10/31/05, male
- Jesse Lewis, 6/30/06, male
- James Mattioli , 3/22/06, male
- Grace McDonnell, 12/04/05, female
- Anne Marie Murphy, 07/25/60, female
- Emilie Parker, 5/12/06, female
- Jack Pinto, 5/06/06, male
- Noah Pozner, 11/20/06, male
- Caroline Previdi, 9/07/06, female
- Jessica Rekos, 5/10/06, female
- Avielle Richman, 10/17/06, female
- Lauren Rousseau, 6/1982, female (full date of birth not specified)
- Mary Sherlach, 2/11/56, female
- Victoria Soto, 11/04/85, female
- Benjamin Wheeler, 9/12/06, male
- Allison N. Wyatt, 7/03/06, female

COMPLETE HOAX!


Until we start to see real EVIDENCE, and not actor testimony, then NONE of it is real or should be considered as such!

Testimony from someone who is not under oath; is NOT testimony!


No yellow numbered placards anywhere! Not even by the car/front door/sweaters/ect

That means that no one was keeping track of the Evidence because there was none in a drill!

No pictures of dead bodies/blood/bullets, just nothing that points towards Evidence.

So You can't say this is Half fake, and half real. This is a dis-info tactic made, to have you lean towards a lie!

No Evidence = No Crime


PERIOD!

Sorry, I'm not sure I follow.

Not that this counts for much here, but I feel quite confidant that Anne Marie Murphy was killed. She was the mother of my cousin's best friend. She had lived in Sandy Hook for many years.

I agree.