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can you explain in more detail what the ETF is that they bet against?
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its at a peak right now, its not unreasonable to think it would drop below 16, it was down to 8 in 2009

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can you explain in more detail what the ETF is that they bet against?

READ, your not in school here, just an FYI.

BTW: if you don't know it's too late.
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its at a peak right now, its not unreasonable to think it would drop below 16, it was down to 8 in 2009

I agree, but many other BIG bets.......

Some Trader Has Made A Very Big Bet That Something Very Bad Will Happen Within The Next 60 Days
Sam Ro | Feb. 6, 2013, 9:37 AM | 11,914 | 29

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Stocks have been rallying relentlessly to post-crisis highs.
Meanwhile, the volatility index (aka the VIX, aka the "fear index") is near historic lows.
But according to UBS's Art Cashin, some options trader has made an enormous $11.25 million bet that the VIX will explode higher very soon.
And a rally in the VIX is usually accompanied by a drop in the stock markets.
From this morning's Cashin's Comments (emphasis ours):
A Very Big Bet In A Somewhat Unlikely Instrument – My friend, Jim Brown, the ever-alert consummate professional over at Option Investor pointed us to a rather unusual trade. Here's what he wrote in last night's edition of his valuable newsletter:
In past years I have reported on trades that were so large it appeared someone had inside knowledge of a pending event. Sometimes those were massive put positions on the S&P. A new trade just appeared that suggests there will be a market event in the near future. Last week somebody put on a call spread on the VIX using the April 20 and 25 puts. They bought 150,000 contracts for a net of $75 per contract. That is an $11,250,000 bet that the VIX will move over 20 over the next 60 days. You would have to be VERY confident in your outlook to risk $11 million on a directional position with the VIX at five year lows and the markets trying to break out to new highs.
Jim then goes on to list some of the scheduled events and deadlines visible over the next 60 days (mostly in Washington). When you add in the broad variety of geo-political possibilities, it's a decent reason to stay extra alert.
Hopefully, this person is wrong.


Read more: [link to www.businessinsider.com]
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and another


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As of late Gold hasbeen hovering at 666 more than once or twice. If it keeps it up there willbe a big drop in gold sht-paper.

When the paper goes down that is the time for poor man to buy/have gold. Father loves the poor.

Haggai 2:8:
The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts.

Ron Paul:
Federal Reserve:
[link to www.youtube.com]

Ron Paul's Urgent Warning On The Inevitable Collapse Of The Dollar:
[link to www.youtube.com]

Kennedy 11110:
[link to www.youtube.com


My error 4/19/2013 and gold has not been at 600 since 2005 I think
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Just before 9/11 there were very large trades out of the normal range. Such as the put options on the airliners involved and the financial businesses in the towers.

This trade is a hallmark of inside information.
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Interesting.

Thanks, OP!
There’s no appetite for anything originating from government or media these days. The always-passive moral majority has gone through the denial, anger, bargaining and depression and has accepted the truth. They are all incredulously amused with the fairytales emanating from the puppeteers’ stagehands…. They are waiting for a trigger event; living life with baited breath, praying for the lights to go out.
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Just before 9/11 there were very large trades out of the normal range. Such as the put options on the airliners involved and the financial businesses in the towers.

This trade is a hallmark of inside information.


100% this is called the bin laden trade.
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Would have expected huge call volume on oil and gold too if military related - especially Middle East...
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...or some are hedging...
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Would have expected huge call volume on oil and gold too if military related - especially Middle East...


I trade oil, in 12/2012 we had number's I have never seen in the call of oil up to 250 a b, for 12/2013 just was chatting with my kids about it this weekend.
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OPPT-IN
"Psychopaths derive their power from the complicity of the populous..."


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A lot of things pointing to this spring as a tipping point.

But a lot of things were pointing towards last year too.

And the year before that etc etc
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A lot of things pointing to this spring as a tipping point.

But a lot of things were pointing towards last year too.

And the year before that etc etc


Agree, but mark my words, one day you will awake to major shit.
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Agree, but mark my words, one day you will awake to major shit.


And when you do, if you don't have a chair, well good luck.
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or some are hedging...

Most wouldn't do the hole market, i.e. if you own Wells you do Wells. As Wells could fall and the market move up. Bad hedging.
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According to Barron's columnist Steven Sears, someone made a big bet against the financials ETF yesterday (ticker symbol XLF), and it has everybody buzzing.
The trader bought 100,000 put options on the ETF (a put option increases in value when the price of the underlying asset, in this case, the ETF, goes down).
To put that number in perspective, Sears writes, "Few investors ever trade more than 500 contracts, so a 100,000 order tends to stop traffic and prompt all sorts of speculation about what's motivating the trade." According to Sears, the trade "has sparked conversations across the market."
The trade makes money if the ETF drops below $16. It's trading just north of $17.50 today.
While the bet has everyone scratching their heads, Sears offers one possible explanation: bank


Read more: [link to www.businessinsider.com]
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I think this is the issue, BofA had issues last Friday and many more.

Big Sis Threatens: Cyber 9/11 could happen “imminently”
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano warned on Thursday that a major cyber attack is a looming threat and could have the same sort of impact as last year’s Superstorm Sandy, which knocked out electricity in a large swathe of the Northeast.

Napolitano said a “cyber 9/11″ could happen “imminently” and that critical infrastructure – including water, electricity and gas – was very vulnerable to such a strike.
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fake out.get everyone in and then dump.
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RISE: Islamic summit opens...
Ahmadinejad seeks strategic axis with Egypt...
No intention of launching attack on Israel...



Right!:)
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fake out.get everyone in and then dump.

100%
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fake out.get everyone in and then dump.

100%
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I think this is the issue, BofA had issues last Friday and many more.

Big Sis Threatens: Cyber 9/11 could happen “imminently”
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano warned on Thursday that a major cyber attack is a looming threat and could have the same sort of impact as last year’s Superstorm Sandy, which knocked out electricity in a large swathe of the Northeast.

Napolitano said a “cyber 9/11″ could happen “imminently” and that critical infrastructure – including water, electricity and gas – was very vulnerable to such a strike.
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Add to your list:
Virginia moves closer to creating state’s own currency
Lawmakers in Virginia say they want to keep their options open in case the value of the U.S. dollar ever collapses — so they’re considering minting state coinage.
[link to dailycaller.com]

Beggar-Thy-Neighbor Currency Devaluations Proved Ruinous For The Global Economy In The 1930s ... Here We Go Again!
According to numerous high-level insiders, we’re in a dangerous global currency war
[link to www.zerohedge.com]

New graphic inspired by this thread & current events...
banksterswanted
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Virginia moves closer to creating state’s own currency


+1
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oridin

This is how they are now stimulating the economy.
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This is how they are now stimulating the economy.


Into a crash.
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According to Barron's columnist Steven Sears, someone made a big bet against the financials ETF yesterday (ticker symbol XLF), and it has everybody buzzing.
The trader bought 100,000 put options on the ETF (a put option increases in value when the price of the underlying asset, in this case, the ETF, goes down).
To put that number in perspective, Sears writes, "Few investors ever trade more than 500 contracts, so a 100,000 order tends to stop traffic and prompt all sorts of speculation about what's motivating the trade." According to Sears, the trade "has sparked conversations across the market."
The trade makes money if the ETF drops below $16. It's trading just north of $17.50 today.
While the bet has everyone scratching their heads, Sears offers one possible explanation: bank


Read more: [link to www.businessinsider.com]
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The shorter is either Goldman Sachs prop desk, or George Soros.
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When does the put optionthingie expire? What happens when it expires -- does the mystery buyer lose big bucks?
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According to Barron's columnist Steven Sears, someone made a big bet against the financials ETF yesterday (ticker symbol XLF), and it has everybody buzzing.
The trader bought 100,000 put options on the ETF (a put option increases in value when the price of the underlying asset, in this case, the ETF, goes down).
To put that number in perspective, Sears writes, "Few investors ever trade more than 500 contracts, so a 100,000 order tends to stop traffic and prompt all sorts of speculation about what's motivating the trade." According to Sears, the trade "has sparked conversations across the market."
The trade makes money if the ETF drops below $16. It's trading just north of $17.50 today.
While the bet has everyone scratching their heads, Sears offers one possible explanation: bank


Read more: [link to www.businessinsider.com]
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Thanks, OP!
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Some Trader Has Made A Very Big Bet That Something Very Bad Will Happen Within The Next 60 Days
Sam Ro | Feb. 6, 2013, 9:37 AM | 10,990 | 29

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Stocks have been rallying relentlessly to post-crisis highs.
Meanwhile, the volatility index (aka the VIX, aka the "fear index") is near historic lows.
But according to UBS's Art Cashin, some options trader has made an enormous $11.25 million bet that the VIX will explode higher very soon.
And a rally in the VIX is usually accompanied by a drop in the stock markets.
From this morning's Cashin's Comments (emphasis ours):
A Very Big Bet In A Somewhat Unlikely Instrument – My friend, Jim Brown, the ever-alert consummate professional over at Option Investor pointed us to a rather unusual trade. Here's what he wrote in last night's edition of his valuable newsletter:
In past years I have reported on trades that were so large it appeared someone had inside knowledge of a pending event. Sometimes those were massive put positions on the S&P. A new trade just appeared that suggests there will be a market event in the near future. Last week somebody put on a call spread on the VIX using the April 20 and 25 puts. They bought 150,000 contracts for a net of $75 per contract. That is an $11,250,000 bet that the VIX will move over 20 over the next 60 days. You would have to be VERY confident in your outlook to risk $11 million on a directional position with the VIX at five year lows and the markets trying to break out to new highs.
Jim then goes on to list some of the scheduled events and deadlines visible over the next 60 days (mostly in Washington). When you add in the broad variety of geo-political possibilities, it's a decent reason to stay extra alert.
Hopefully, this person is wrong.


Read more: [link to www.businessinsider.com]
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If I remember correctly, that part of April - being Hitler's birthday, and a hit with the satanists/illuminutties - often has disastrous occurences.

Sathtf?

tomato

Whomever it is, they think the world will be in good enough shape to spend/enjoy their ill-gotten gains!

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